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Just The Little Things

On this forum, day in and day out tempers errupt, arguments occur over the slightest things. I am actually quite curious to know the little nuances involved with edm that bother you. (only rules no noobs saying elitist, no elitist saying noobs...asot and all of that crap. Lets keep it clean i would like this to be a serious thread.) That being said i will start.

1. The Bedroom DJ name drop. I hit a tad of a production block this weekend, and to take a breather I decided to listen and review a few sets of many genres in the DJ promotion section. Low and behold i see over and over the one thing I cannot take. What is with people when they only add a few extra mesures in the beginning and the end of a track....doing absolutely nothing else and then doing..(dj blabla edit) Is this based on some insecurity? An edit actually is something that significantly alters the track from its original form. Simplifying mixing by adding takes 2 seconds and isnt one. Am I the only one who thinks its a little ludicrous? I understand people might want to feel important or I don't even know...It just perplexes me. I sometimes see these Dj's chart their own edits and put [CDR]...like wtf.

That felt good...feel free to add on my point, or bring one up of your own. I think this might be a very interesting thread if it is kept clean.

weird, man.
i was JUST thinking about the VERY same topic last night.
i agree, an edit should have a significant noticeable difference from the original track's structure.

considering how much time goes into producing a track...its a bit of a slap to the face to have some nobody do nothing and make claims. The [CDR] is just the cherry on top..at least give the label credit if you are going to be self important no? Even Ricky Ryan does a little bit before putting his name on things.(blech)

i dont think anyone is going to disagree with you

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I hate labels that advertise that they release only the best music but are so full of themselves that anything by 'popular' or 'famous' artist is gobbled up, and good production by relatively unknown producers is politely sent back with a 'not what we are looking for at this moment'.

dickhead self promotion, and people writing bio's of themselves in the 3rd person
these people are cunts

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Originally posted by AlleN F 1. The Bedroom DJ name drop. I hit a tad of a production block this weekend, and to take a breather I decided to listen and review a few sets of many genres in the DJ promotion section. Low and behold i see over and over the one thing I cannot take. What is with people when they only add a few extra mesures in the beginning and the end of a track....doing absolutely nothing else and then doing..(dj blabla edit) Is this based on some insecurity? An edit actually is something that significantly alters the track from its original form. Simplifying mixing by adding takes 2 seconds and isnt one. Am I the only one who thinks its a little ludicrous? I understand people might want to feel important or I don't even know...It just perplexes me. I sometimes see these Dj's chart their own edits and put [CDR]...like wtf.

I actually made a thread about that a while back, regarding just what constitutes an 'edit,' 'remix,' etc. I got answers ranging from 'if you change it at all, it's an edit' to 'it has to be actually re-done.' I just gave up & figured I wouldn't say anything about any of them in TLs, regardless of what I did to it. [for the record, that one on mine is the way it is 'cuz it only actually has 3 measures from the original . I never use/listen to the original track].

Mislabeled tracks in TLs, Charts, etc. (bonus points for using the filename)
5-page bios for the headliner, opening djs, promoters, tech crews, bouncers, & bathroom attendants in event threads
"What do you think about [DJ]?" threads
Purple
people who think nobody should criticize any music, and go into abusive rages when someone does, in the name of 'being positive'...ok, I actually kind of enjoy those

Ridiculous unwritten rules of any local or international scene. bullshit politics!!

So the "new community" full of "cool people" didn't work out, huh?

Ah, well.

And this should be in the DJ booth, along with all the other whining.

meneedit

edit: now that this thread got moved, my post is no longer appropriate.

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Originally posted by RJT So the "new community" full of "cool people" didn't work out, huh? Ah, well. And this should be in the DJ booth, along with all the other whining.

No, more like I lost bookings due to incompetence and fear.

Edit: Nevermind, and Greg, if you were indeed insinuating that you're incompetent, you aren't.

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Originally posted by AlleN F On this forum, day in and day out tempers errupt, arguments occur over the slightest things. I am actually quite curious to know the little nuances involved with edm that bother you. (only rules no noobs saying elitist, no elitist saying noobs...asot and all of that crap. Lets keep it clean i would like this to be a serious thread.) That being said i will start. 1. The Bedroom DJ name drop. I hit a tad of a production block this weekend, and to take a breather I decided to listen and review a few sets of many genres in the DJ promotion section. Low and behold i see over and over the one thing I cannot take. What is with people when they only add a few extra mesures in the beginning and the end of a track....doing absolutely nothing else and then doing..(dj blabla edit) Is this based on some insecurity? An edit actually is something that significantly alters the track from its original form. Simplifying mixing by adding takes 2 seconds and isnt one. Am I the only one who thinks its a little ludicrous? I understand people might want to feel important or I don't even know...It just perplexes me. I sometimes see these Dj's chart their own edits and put [CDR]...like wtf. That felt good...feel free to add on my point, or bring one up of your own. I think this might be a very interesting thread if it is kept clean.

I totally agree people shouldn't try and claim any praise for something like that.

But you do have the flip side of it... obviously depending on how much editing there is, but I did a demo a couple of years ago and put on a track which had a really cheesy breakdown, so I chopped that chunk out before I burnt the tune. Obviously I didn't really think that warranted putting "Stu Cox edit" or whatever on it(!), but I then got an angry message on MSN from a mate who'd bought the tune after hearing it on my demo, only to find he couldn't play it himself cos it had a ghey breakdown in it! Needless to say I just sent him my edited version, but you can see the point - if your edit changes the track enough, then people might need to know it's not the original.

Although I still don't think I'd label something like that on a tracklist as it was quite a minor bit of editing.

Obviously that's quite different from posting that on a messageboard and saying "check out my r00d edit" or whatever.

Couple of things that git ma goat:

1) ID/Unknown in tracklists. You know full well that it will always be the best couple of tracks in the set & 99% of the time produced by that very DJ who spun the set
2) Short samples of the best bit of the track on digital stores. I've wasted a small fortune on shite before I started listening to 2 or 3 stores samples
3) Labels taking another 6 month to release a track thats been getting caned by the big boys for months already

I've got nasty feeling I could be posting a lot in this thread lol

Matt

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Originally posted by Stu Cox I totally agree people shouldn't try and claim any praise for something like that. But you do have the flip side of it... obviously depending on how much editing there is, but I did a demo a couple of years ago and put on a track which had a really cheesy breakdown, so I chopped that chunk out before I burnt the tune. Obviously I didn't really think that warranted putting "Stu Cox edit" or whatever on it(!), but I then got an angry message on MSN from a mate who'd bought the tune after hearing it on my demo, only to find he couldn't play it himself cos it had a ghey breakdown in it! Needless to say I just sent him my edited version, but you can see the point - if your edit changes the track enough, then people might need to know it's not the original. Although I still don't think I'd label something like that on a tracklist as it was quite a minor bit of editing. Obviously that's quite different from posting that on a messageboard and saying "check out my r00d edit" or whatever.

I agree. It depends on how much was done - if you added a few beats to the intro, then you shouldn't put anything. If you do something like as you say...where you cut a whole breakdown...that is substantially changing the track, although it takes two seconds and you don't deserve credit for the track. I usually put the full credit to the actual remixer, then put some sort of (slightly edited) or something in that case.

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Originally posted by Stu Cox I totally agree people shouldn't try and claim any praise for something like that. But you do have the flip side of it... obviously depending on how much editing there is, but I did a demo a couple of years ago and put on a track which had a really cheesy breakdown, so I chopped that chunk out before I burnt the tune. Obviously I didn't really think that warranted putting "Stu Cox edit" or whatever on it(!), but I then got an angry message on MSN from a mate who'd bought the tune after hearing it on my demo, only to find he couldn't play it himself cos it had a ghey breakdown in it! Needless to say I just sent him my edited version, but you can see the point - if your edit changes the track enough, then people might need to know it's not the original. Although I still don't think I'd label something like that on a tracklist as it was quite a minor bit of editing. Obviously that's quite different from posting that on a messageboard and saying "check out my r00d edit" or whatever.

I think that's spot on.

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Originally posted by RJT Edit: Nevermind, and Greg, if you were indeed insinuating that you're incompetent, you aren't.

No I wasn't, just some of the monkeys who run things are.


That being said we've been doing a lot of thinking this weekend and there's big big plans for 2008

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Originally posted by Az dickhead self promotion, and people writing bio's of themselves in the 3rd person these people are cunts

Faaaaaaaaark, tell me about it.

When people write on their myspace "DJ Loser recieved a Casio synth at age 8, and that's when he first fell in love with music, however it wasn't until he reached age 17 that he began to DJ" etc, when it's painfully clear they wrote it themselves.

Example here:

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Steve+Strangis

Gives himself big-ups in third person, then accidentally switches back to first person at the end.

I may actually be wrong and that may be written by a fan of Steve's with a severe mental deficiency, but I don't think so.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Example here: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Steve+Strangis Gives himself big-ups in third person, then accidentally switches back to first person at the end.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Faaaaaaaaark, tell me about it. When people write on their myspace "DJ Loser recieved a Casio synth at age 8, and that's when he first fell in love with music, however it wasn't until he reached age 17 that he began to DJ" etc, when it's painfully clear they wrote it themselves. Example here: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Steve+Strangis Gives himself big-ups in third person, then accidentally switches back to first person at the end. I may actually be wrong and that may be written by a fan of Steve's with a severe mental deficiency, but I don't think so.

haha what a weenie

the fact that an actual DEMO OF MUSIC won't do you anywhere near as good as doing coke with a promoter.

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Faaaaaaaaark, tell me about it. When people write on their myspace "DJ Loser recieved a Casio synth at age 8, and that's when he first fell in love with music, however it wasn't until he reached age 17 that he began to DJ" etc, when it's painfully clear they wrote it themselves. Example here: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Steve+Strangis Gives himself big-ups in third person, then accidentally switches back to first person at the end. I may actually be wrong and that may be written by a fan of Steve's with a severe mental deficiency, but I don't think so.

Agreed, it also pisses me off how some people claim they play heaps of different styles of music when they clearly don't.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous

lol

How did you know this guy?

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Originally posted by Beat Blog Faaaaaaaaark, tell me about it. When people write on their myspace "DJ Loser recieved a Casio synth at age 8, and that's when he first fell in love with music, however it wasn't until he reached age 17 that he began to DJ" etc, when it's painfully clear they wrote it themselves. Example here: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Steve+Strangis Gives himself big-ups in third person, then accidentally switches back to first person at the end. I may actually be wrong and that may be written by a fan of Steve's with a severe mental deficiency, but I don't think so.

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