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Solutions Manuals?

Anyone else have any experience getting these online?

Generally what I do is use the google groups crap and pay some random person like $10-20 for the full solutions manual. But I know you can get these for free. I just don't know where. I'm guessing theres probably some private torrent trackers and shit, but can't find anything.

Anyone else buy solutions manuals for their hard ass classes?

Do the homeworks yourself. Don't cheat.

People like you are what's wrong with the world, you lazy fuck. You aren't worthy of conscious thought.

i know how the cor can get, so ill keep this civil on my end, you guys do what you want and hopefully ill get a decent reply eventually.

i work hard at school. im an electrical engineering major. i do my homework and i spend many of my weekends at school studying. i do my shit. the solutions manuals dont teach you shit, they just give you the answer. its the students responsibility to learn the material and understand it. the solutions manuals just help when you have horrible indian teachers that a) you cant understand b) simply suck at teaching and c) dont care about teaching cuz all they care about is their research.

solutions manuals are KEY for learning. how else are you going to know what the right answer is when the teachers have time to give them to you. and when you make a mistake, where you went wrong.

i go above and beyond for my education. i do almost every problem i can in the back of the chapters even if the assigned homework is only a few problems. the more i do, the more i learn, and the better i understand the material.

and at the end of the day, the more i learn, the more i know, the more money i will be making. so go ahead say whatever you want, but at the end of the day ill be the one laughing my ass all the way to bank.

Alright then, fair enough. I was wrong and stand corrected.

Group study helps; make some friends @school.

we beat the shit out of you in football yesterday.

And on topic, that's still considered as cheating by any standard.

Well, if it makes you feel better, your sig is too big

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Originally posted by Sunsnail Well, if it makes you feel better, your sig is too big and your butt smells

yes you won. congrats. ill say it for the last time cuz everyones been on my ass about it today. just like bobby said, if you dont block and tackle, how can you expect to win a football game?

back on track here... i have an amazing study group. i dont think theres one class ive taken with these guys where we havent gotten As. but that still doesnt get you all the way. hell a lot of times the solution manuals wont even help. if you dont understand the concept, how can you understand the work involved to get an answer? you cant. but solutions manuals as well as a good study group do help to understand those concepts. but whats the point of working through a million problems if you dont know if you're doing it right. practice makes perfect. and with solutions manuals you can practice so much more.

so i dont think its cheating. hell i dont even look at the answer until ive atleast attempted the problem on my own. its cheating if the instructor gives 3 hw problems and you just copy it all down. but even if you do that theres a huge chance you wont get full credit on your hw. the solutions manuals (atleast for engineering) tend to skip over a lot of steps. and if you dont understand or cant explain those steps, then whats the point in copying? you're only hurting yourself.

i went through all 3 calculus', engineering math, linear algebra and a couple of other classes without ever using solutions manuals. but once i figured out where to get them online, i feel as though i learn more now.

so back to my original question... does anyone else grab these online?

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Originally posted by Sunsnail Well, if it makes you feel better, your sig is too big

ill get on it.

edit: happy now?

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Originally posted by PatMcGroin if you dont understand the concept, how can you understand the work involved to get an answer? you cant. but solutions manuals as well as a good study group do help to understand those concepts. but whats the point of working through a million problems if you dont know if you're doing it right. practice makes perfect. and with solutions manuals you can practice so much more.

There is another way to learn the concepts you know. SOLVE THE EXAMPLE PROBLEMS. There are literally hundreds of them peppered through out the book. Plus books provide answers to many exercise problems at the end. Bottom line --- you don't need a solution manual for the reasons you've just stated.

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Originally posted by Omega_M There is another way to learn the concepts you know. SOLVE THE EXAMPLE PROBLEMS. There are literally hundreds of them peppered through out the book. Plus books provide answers to many exercise problems at the end. Bottom line --- you don't need a solution manual for the reasons you've just stated.

if you're taking classes like college algebra and trig, yes, the examples are enough. but when you're dealing with highly complex RLC circuits and two stage bjt amplifiers... you need more than a couple examples.

i have books that are 1300+ pages, and for some kinds of problems theres a max of 2 example problems. you put a resistor, or another independent or dependent source in a weird place, and BOOOOOM you've got to approach the problem in a completely different manner.

just out of curiosity, whats the highest level math you've taken? because obviously you have no clue what you're taking about. you're just arguing with me cuz you're bored at work probably.

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Originally posted by PatMcGroin ill get on it. edit: happy now?

no... too wide

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Originally posted by Sunsnail no... too wide

its not. 500 pixels is the max and thats exactly what mine is...

432 + 68 = 500.

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Originally posted by PatMcGroin 432 + 68 = 500.

OMG CHEATER! YOU USED THE SOLUTION MANUAL!!

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Originally posted by jennypie OMG CHEATER! YOU USED THE SOLUTION MANUAL!!

that actually made me lol. thank you.

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Originally posted by PatMcGroin just out of curiosity, whats the highest level math you've taken? because obviously you have no clue what you're taking about. you're just arguing with me cuz you're bored at work probably.

I am a high school dropout sorry.

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Originally posted by Omega_M I am a high school dropout sorry.

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Originally posted by PatMcGroin its not. 500 pixels is the max and thats exactly what mine is... 432 + 68 = 500.

thats better

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Originally posted by PatMcGroin

My mathematical knowledge is limited to topics such as multi variable calculus, nonlinear programming, matrix analysis and such. But I see that you are still learning the linear circuit theory and solving simple RLC circuits in laplace domain. Finding currents and voltages in different branches, deriving transfer functions, perhaps designing cascade/cascode amplifiers and voltage followers. Did they teach you network synthesis also ?

I always only buy the solutions manual, oh and I order from Amazon.

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Originally posted by Omega_M My mathematical knowledge is limited to topics such as multi variable calculus, nonlinear programming, matrix analysis and such. But I see that you are still learning the linear circuit theory and solving simple RLC circuits in laplace domain. Finding currents and voltages in different branches, deriving transfer functions, perhaps designing cascade/cascode amplifiers and voltage followers. Did they teach you network synthesis also ?

took you 12 minutes to google all that?

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Originally posted by chach I always only buy the solutions manual, oh and I order from Amazon.

you know you can get the solutions manual in pdf format for way less than the $100 dollars the instructor books go for on on amazon right?

but yea, on amazon .com is the shit for buying and selling textbooks.

I told you I am a high school drop out. What else can you expect ?

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