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Buying a car

i'm in the market, as it were
current car's a fucking shitbox and doesn't go a month without something going wrong, and i'm ready to throw in the towel with it
been looking at 95-96 saab 90 convertibles, anyone got personal experience with the cars?
and for the record, these are the two i've found:

the
'96 , and the '95

also found a '99 sebring on craigslist for a decent price, but the more i think about it, i've driven a saab 90 before and liked it. idk
opinions?

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Originally posted by mezzir i'm in the market, as it were current car's a fucking shitbox and doesn't go a month without something going wrong, and i'm ready to throw in the towel with it been looking at 95-96 saab 90 convertibles, anyone got personal experience with the cars? and for the record, these are the two i've found: the '96 , and the '95 also found a '99 sebring on craigslist for a decent price, but the more i think about it, i've driven a saab 90 before and liked it. idk opinions?

Don't buy a european car while you're a student man, they're expensive as all fuck to fix if something goes wrong.

Just get something cheap and reliable.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Don't buy a european car while you're a student man, they're expensive as all fuck to fix if something goes wrong. Just get something cheap and reliable.

see some people told me a mazda would be reliable
LOL wrong

opinions on a sebring?
ninja: also the place i already bring my car for shit specialized in foreign shit (saab VW etc)

Saab's cost too much to fix.
Listen to Sushi.

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Originally posted by mezzir see some people told me a mazda would be reliable LOL wrong opinions on a sebring? ninja: also the place i already bring my car for shit specialized in foreign shit (saab VW etc)

Newer mazdas are ok. Older...no.

And it's the parts that will cost you with Euro cars, not so much the labour.

Get a celica or something, or a corolla. Pretty boring cars, sure, but they are reliable and cheap to run/fix.

hah yeah i had a 95 mazda
i seriously don't think there's a single part of that car that hasn't fucked up while i've had it :/

damn
man i want a saab

k so parts can be expensive, but how reliable would you say they are? (aka will they need shit very often?)

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Originally posted by mezzir k so parts can be expensive, but how reliable would you say they are? (aka will they need shit very often?)

Over rated reliability, like cheaper BMW's.
Being it's a turbo, mandatory 5000km service with high temperature tolerant, premium oil and fairly hard on fuel. Stick to japanese or domestic cars if you just want something functional for A-B commuting.

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Originally posted by mezzir hah yeah i had a 95 mazda i seriously don't think there's a single part of that car that hasn't fucked up while i've had it :/ damn man i want a saab k so parts can be expensive, but how reliable would you say they are? (aka will they need shit very often?)

A better question is, what if it's unreliable? How much is that going to cost you? What if it's as unreliable as your mazda, but the parts are triple (or more) the price?

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Originally posted by Lilith Over rated reliability, like cheaper BMW's. Being it's a turbo, mandatory 5000km service with high temperature tolerant, premium oil and fairly hard on fuel. Stick to japanese or domestic cars if you just want something functional for A-B commuting.

i'm gonna be using it a shitload
i go easy on my car, but yeah. i drive a lot. i work delivery, and make semi-frequent trips out to boston
yeah if it was just for driving to school and back i'd just get a moped

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Originally posted by Lilith Over rated reliability, like cheaper BMW's. Being it's a turbo, mandatory 5000km service with high temperature tolerant, premium oil and fairly hard on fuel. Stick to japanese or domestic cars if you just want something functional for A-B commuting.

Domestic? I dunno....

god damn
i <3 you, australia

by the way, i basically just imagine you two as what australia is
cause you're the only aussies i know, aside from one girls ultimate team i met once, but damn those girls were big

k sry back to the topic

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Domestic? I dunno....

Yeah, yank cars except their top end stuff is mostly awful, but it's cheap, simple crud that works alright and won't really cause too much grief when you take it into a mechanic.

I've been sniffing around for a new car too
It's a pain in the bum

ninja edit- lol I just live in Australia...for the last 15 years on and off, I'm from a confused South African/English background

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Originally posted by mezzir god damn i <3 you, australia by the way, i basically just imagine you two as what australia is cause you're the only aussies i know, aside from one girls ultimate team i met once, but damn those girls were big k sry back to the topic

I've heard that Lilith's Aussie accent is second to none actually.

Edit: Damn your ninja edit Lilith

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Originally posted by Lilith Yeah, yank cars except their top end stuff is mostly awful, but it's cheap, simple crud that works alright and won't really cause too much grief when you take it into a mechanic. I've been sniffing around for a new car too It's a pain in the bum

What are you looking at?

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Originally posted by Sushipunk What are you looking at?

a computer LOL




but yeah, american cars generally are absolute pieces of shit
hence why a 99 LE sebring is only $5.5k

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Originally posted by mezzir a computer LOL

Not you. Read my post

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Originally posted by mezzir but yeah, american cars generally are absolute pieces of shit hence why a 99 LE sebring is only $5.5k

We don't have sebring here, I don't think.

I googled for pics, but didn't recognise anything :/

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Not you. Read my post

yeah i was answering for her
come on, that was good!

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We don't have sebring here, I don't think. I googled for pics, but didn't recognise anything :/

yeah, its a chrystler
when they first debuted they were kinda sweet, but now you pretty much just see them at rental agencies
fly into america and try to rent a convertible. 95% chance they'll give you a sebring

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Originally posted by mezzir yeah i was answering for her come on, that was good!

Oh, so you wanna just joke around huh?

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Originally posted by mezzir yeah, its a chrystler

See, now THAT was funny

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Originally posted by Sushipunk I've heard that Lilith's Aussie accent is second to none actually.

I'm mostly 'Orstraaalianised' with accent
On demand I can still do west-country english (but I wont!)

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What are you looking at?

Narrowed it down to-

Toyota Aristo (JDM grey import- aka here as a Lexus GS300 or GS400)
2 types-
3L twin turbo RWD straight 6 or the 4L V8 Quad cam AWD
Essentially a Supra in sedan drag, looks good but not over the top, very nicely fitted out and cheap!
Bad points- It's only available in Automatic, I don't like automatic and Honey Rabbit knows how to drive automatics so she might end up behind the wheel and break it. (worst driver ever)

Nissan Skylines R32 and R33 V-Spec GTR's (JDM grey imports)
2.6L Twin turbo, AWD's
Both are good cars and I'm quite familiar with how they work, handle and drive. The R32's are a bit old and thrashed so I'll be looking long and hard to find a good one, the R33's are a bit better mechanically but a little heavier, little better handling in some regards.
Bad points- Use lots of fuel, if they break then it costs a lot.
Cops like to chase them

Mitsubishi GTO 1997 (JDM grey import)
3L V6 Twin turbo, 6speed manual, AWD, AWS... more damn gadgets than is damn sensible.
Its soooooo pretty
But when it breaks, no one will know how to fix it short of a couple of specialist shops. But its soooo pretty
Bad points- uses a lot of fuel, probably an unknown as far as handling goes too, not a lot of experience in them.

Mitsubishi EVO VI & VII (JDM grey imports)
2L turbo AWD, manual
They're fun! Probably too much fun and if I break it, then it's going to cost a lot.
Bad points- It looks like any other Lancer with a fart-can muffler on the back, they're also awful for long range trips with hard suspension and high revving with short gear ratios.
Little car, lot of money

Nissan S15 Silvia (JDM grey import and also local as 200SX)
2L RWD turbo manual
Weeeee! These are fun, they look sweet and go like a rocket. I've a lot of experience in RWD turbo's so it's easy and lots of evil things to do to it in terms of aftermarket bits.
Bad points- hard to find a good one, most are owned by mental cases
Cops like to chase them

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Originally posted by Lilith I'm mostly 'Orstraaalianised' with accent On demand I can still do west-country english (but I wont!)

I can't image why

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Originally posted by Lilith Narrowed it down to- Toyota Aristo (JDM grey import- aka here as a Lexus GS300 or GS400) 2 types- 3L twin turbo RWD straight 6 or the 4L V8 Quad cam AWD Essentially a Supra in sedan drag, looks good but not over the top, very nicely fitted out and cheap! Bad points- It's only available in Automatic, I don't like automatic and Honey Rabbit knows how to drive automatics so she might end up behind the wheel and break it. (worst driver ever)

I've always liked the looks of them. But I don't like V8s. Rego cost and all that. Can you get the six in AWD? If not, fail.

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Originally posted by Lilith Nissan Skylines R32 and R33 V-Spec GTR's (JDM grey imports) 2.6L Twin turbo, AWD's Both are good cars and I'm quite familiar with how they work, handle and drive. The R32's are a bit old and thrashed so I'll be looking long and hard to find a good one, the R33's are a bit better mechanically but a little heavier, little better handling in some regards. Bad points- Use lots of fuel, if they break then it costs a lot. Cops like to chase them

Yeah, good luck finding an R32 that isn't flogged, and badly.

I never really liked the R33 that much, on aesthetics. And like you said, it's heavier, and I think has a longer wheel base, which deducts from the handling a bit.

The R34 GTR though.... *drool* *drool* *drool* *drool* *drool*

Pricey

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Originally posted by Lilith Mitsubishi GTO 1997 (JDM grey import) 3L V6 Twin turbo, 6speed manual, AWD, AWS... more damn gadgets than is damn sensible. Its soooooo pretty But when it breaks, no one will know how to fix it short of a couple of specialist shops. But its soooo pretty Bad points- uses a lot of fuel, probably an unknown as far as handling goes too, not a lot of experience in them.

Not that pretty

Don't know much about them though, they're really rare in Oz.

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Originally posted by Lilith Mitsubishi EVO VI & VII (JDM grey imports) 2L turbo AWD, manual They're fun! Probably too much fun and if I break it, then it's going to cost a lot. Bad points- It looks like any other Lancer with a fart-can muffler on the back, they're also awful for long range trips with hard suspension and high revving with short gear ratios. Little car, lot of money

LMAO at Fart-Can Muffler. Too true though, a regular Lancer with a body kit looks pretty much the same.

Lotsa fun though, I would imagine.

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Originally posted by Lilith Nissan S15 Silvia (JDM grey import and also local as 200SX) 2L RWD turbo manual Weeeee! These are fun, they look sweet and go like a rocket. I've a lot of experience in RWD turbo's so it's easy and lots of evil things to do to it in terms of aftermarket bits. Bad points- hard to find a good one, most are owned by mental cases Cops like to chase them

For some reason, I only like the look of them sans rear spoiler. And I refuse to budge on that.

But yeah, they are nice looking, and go like fuck, especially with aftermarket bits and pieces, and a sworn legal doc from your 'sweetness and light.'

I guess it depends what you wanna be sitting in, through Sydney traffic

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Originally posted by Sushipunk I've always liked the looks of them. But I don't like V8s. Rego cost and all that. Can you get the six in AWD? If not, fail.

Nope.
However... they're at the kind of price where I could throw in lumpy cams, new manifolds, ECU, dynotuned and a supercharger with the change
Lexus 4L V8's are nice engines, better than the pushrod crap that ford and holden use over there.

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I never really liked the R33 that much, on aesthetics. And like you said, it's heavier, and I think has a longer wheel base, which deducts from the handling a bit.

I don't like the R33 looks either.

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The R34 GTR though.... *drool* *drool* *drool* *drool* *drool* Pricey

I'm not dropping 70k on a car again. It's a depreciating asset.

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Not that pretty Don't know much about them though, they're really rare in Oz.

I think they're very pretty.

They really, really hammer. But looking at the engine layout and plumbing under there, it reminds me of my old 300zx, absolute nightmare and if I take it to my uncle to service, he'll hate me... I would

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LMAO at Fart-Can Muffler. Too true though, a regular Lancer with a body kit looks pretty much the same.

Which may be a good thing, no one's going to steal a riced up lancer unless they're like the lowest crack head on earth and even then they'd only do it mistaking it for a commodore.
Figure if I stuck a standard bonnet on it and get the rear towel rack thing they have happening back there on the boot taken off.
No one's going to notice it

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For some reason, I only like the look of them sans rear spoiler. And I refuse to budge on that. But yeah, they are nice looking, and go like fuck, especially with aftermarket bits and pieces, and a sworn legal doc from your 'sweetness and light.'

Yes, spoilers on them just seem to spoil the lines on the car, having been driving one which is older and still has a (worked to the tits) 2L turbo, they've got some good points.
'Sweetness & Light' gets no choice in the matter. She was in the last nice car I owned that got written off, it might not be her fault it was turned in a mangled wreck... but she still feels guilty.
(If anything I feel guilty because by writing it off with full comprehensive and not being at fault I made about $42,000 more than I would have selling it... shhh! I am a bad kittens.... )

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I guess it depends what you wanna be sitting in, through Sydney traffic

I could drive a 300zx in race trim with 300hp at the back wheels and a 1000lb clamp, brass button clutch and not hit anyone. Unless it was wet, then it wasn't much fun at all.
Also given consideration to the Supra's, but they're like the R32's and they lead very hard, abused lives so I'm dumping that idea unless a mint condition one turns up.

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Originally posted by Lilith Nope. However... they're at the kind of price where I could throw in lumpy cams, new manifolds, ECU, dynotuned and a supercharger with the change Lexus 4L V8's are nice engines, better than the pushrod crap that ford and holden use over there.

If it's that good, why would you have to do all that shit to it? Because it's cheap? Bah!

And yeah, it's obviously gonna be better than the Ford/Holden situation. Although, the F6 Typhoon sounds like fun....

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Originally posted by Lilith I don't like the R33 looks either. I'm not dropping 70k on a car again. It's a depreciating asset.

Again? 'Splain

And it's an R34. You can hear that purrrrrrr from the engine right now, can't you?

Purrrrrrrrr......

*squeal of tires*

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Originally posted by Lilith I think they're very pretty. [1IMG]http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/Liliths_01/gto1.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q303/Liliths_01/gto2.jpg[/1IMG] They really, really hammer. But looking at the engine layout and plumbing under there, it reminds me of my old 300zx, absolute nightmare and if I take it to my uncle to service, he'll hate me... I would

I have heard that the handling is a little scary, also. Not as fine tuned as the other AWDs. And since you seem to be adept at almost killing yourself ....

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Originally posted by Lilith Which may be a good thing, no one's going to steal a riced up lancer unless they're like the lowest crack head on earth and even then they'd only do it mistaking it for a commodore. Figure if I stuck a standard bonnet on it and get th rear towel rack thing they have happening back there on the boot taken off. No one's going to notice it

Yes, they would steal it.

By dumbing the looks down, you're just giving them a tip

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Originally posted by Lilith Yes, spoilers on them just seem to spoil the lines on the car, having been driving one which is older and still has a (worked to the tits) 2L turbo, they've got some good points. 'Sweetness & Light' gets no choice in the matter. She was in the last nice car I owned that got written off, it might not be her fault it was turned in a mangled wreck... but she still feels guilty.

Then get what you want!!

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Originally posted by Lilith (If anything I feel guilty because by writing it off with full comprehensive and not being at fault I made about $42,000 more than I would have selling it... shhh! I am a bad kittens.... )

Jesus, what did little miss sunshine write off?

Although, nice work on the claim

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Originally posted by Lilith I could drive a 300zx in race trim with 300hp at the back wheels and a 1000lb clamp, brass button clutch and not hit anyone. Unless it was wet, then it wasn't much fun at all.

Would that be like your last 300ZX? Sounds safe

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Although, the F6 Typhoon sounds like fun....

The driveline gets ripped to bits on a fairly regular basis, it's a lemon. A much hyped and almost success, but a lemon.

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Again? 'Splain

It's value is going to drop through the floor come 2008 when the new GTR rolls off the lines, I could wait until then and maybe see them drop down to the point it makes them 'affordable'

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I have heard that the handling is a little scary, also. Not as fine tuned as the other AWDs. And since you seem to be adept at almost killing yourself ....

Gez, write off one race car and every ones on your ass...
I'd have to try it for myself, apparently the later models are a bit better in terms of not being over-involved with mechanical compensation, so we'll see after a test drive.

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Yes, they would steal it. By dumbing the looks down, you're just giving them a tip

Well stuff that then

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Then get what you want!!

Lilith always gets what she wants *pout*

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Jesus, what did little miss sunshine write off? Although, nice work on the claim

A late model holden caprice 5.7L V8 with all the nice bits + Brembo brake package and a LOT of engine work, "Poppy the Road Whale" was a serious bit of car. Sadly not enough car to survive being hit in the bum by a 4wd doing 60km/h and then pushed in front of a Mercedes doing 60km/h.
It was insured for new-replacement value. So instead of selling it for about 35-40, I got back the whole 78k and stuck it in the bank on top of my long term deposit account, where by now it's probably increased by about 7k over the last 10 or so months.
Miss Sunshine did me a bit of a favour...

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Would that be like your last 300ZX? Sounds safe

It was, mostly, until it got wet, then it just had zero traction on big semi-slicks and turned into a road-boat.

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Originally posted by Lilith It was insured for new-replacement value. So instead of selling it for about 35-40, I got back the whole 78k and stuck it in the bank on top of my long term deposit account, where by now it's probably increased by about 7k over the last 10 or so months.

Damn. Nice. Work.

no personal exp with Saab but my friends sister had one and it was always in the shop. my ex-g/f mom had one on the other hand and she loved it.

it all comes down to how you drive it. If you abuse the car like an idiot, of course you'll be puttin' money in it. Any used car will break, because they're used, it all cuts down to how much care was put into them before you buy it.

Re: Mitsubishi; oh boy, good brand for me as long as you take care of the ride. I've owned a 98 Eclipse TSI and it was dirty; I can say that one of the best cars I've owned. Expensive as hell to fix though, TSIs especially; everything is so packed up in the engine bay, you gotta take a lot of things off before you get to the part you wanna fix. Doing so just increases the risk of having problems later is attention to detail isn't there. and of course with the TSI, there are problems with the differential which run expensive to fix + there's a bigger load on the engine when you have AWD.

Today, I drive a '98 Ford and it's been the best car so far. No repairs since I had the ownership, just regular maintenance, rust proofed it, good and RELIABLE daily driver despite it's reputation. It's rolling in 200k, I expect to drive it to 300K or more until it can't be driven anymore; and when that time comes, I'd probably have enough money to buy a brand new car.

Re: European cars; repairs are expensive, labour is too; why? well if you can afford to buy one of them it only means that you have money (in the eye of the dealer or mechanics; so rip off away).
In my experience: VWs is prone to tranny problems (most of the older ones) and their differentials go bad too fast. O2 sensors are also problematic with them.

Audi: fucken love every single Audi model except A3; I had an A4 and loved that beast. AWD obviously takes a bit more gas but the experience is all it counts. Problems, some engines may only eat high grade gas, maintenance, if you don't do it yourself, is way too overpriced, and I heard rare cases of electrical problems (but those were related to idiots who don't know cars)

Get a Saab ONLY if you can afford to fix it for a bit in the case you get a rotten ride.

Good luck with whatever you choose to buy.

edit: and 95 YJ Renegates, oh ho ho, fun in the mud but not to great for a daily driver. No problems with them except of those related to suspension and power transfer to the wheels, if you take it off-road.

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