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Posted by AndreaCKY772 on Sep-11-2007 23:46:

Dunno b6 vitamins/lucidity/dreaming

has anyone recalled having better lucidity or vivid dreaming when they use b complex vitamins or b6 (mainly b6)?

i know melatonin and valerian help to induce sleep, but b6 can work as a dream enhancer. i just figured i'd see if anyone here can testify to such claims.


Posted by Marc Summers on Sep-11-2007 23:47:

like Melatonin? You get very vivid dreams from that.


Posted by AndreaCKY772 on Sep-11-2007 23:53:

i have never tried melatonin before... i've heard about it though.


Posted by tranceDJ on Sep-11-2007 23:56:

quote:
Originally posted by AndreaCKY772
i have never tried melatonin before... i've heard about it though.


Melatonin occurs naturally in the brain...its secreted when you're in the dark, inducing sleep. Melatonin supplements do help you to go to sleep quicker but I find they may make you groggy in the morning because your brain has too much melatonin.


Posted by Marc Summers on Sep-11-2007 23:57:

yaeh i've been taking an herbal sleep aid with melatonin in it ever since school started. Just take the recommended dosage and you'll have some odd and lucid dreams.


Posted by AndreaCKY772 on Sep-12-2007 00:09:

thanks. i meant to say i have never had melatonin supplements or used it recreationally. do you get those in perscriptions or do they just sell it at the stores?

maybe sometime i will try it in the future, but i wanted to focus in on b6 vitamins. lately i've been focusing on the mind, sleep stages and lucidity. also, i have no problem with getting to sleep so i overlooked melatonin. it could be a possibility to study it in the future.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Sep-12-2007 00:52:

Melatonin made me have particularly intense dreams.

That's not necessarily a good thing when most of your dreams involve disgusting violence.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Sep-12-2007 00:52:

quote:
Originally posted by AndreaCKY772
thanks. i meant to say i have never had melatonin supplements or used it recreationally. do you get those in perscriptions or do they just sell it at the stores?

You can get it at any health food store easily, and even many supermarkets, no prescription needed.


Posted by Marc Summers on Sep-12-2007 00:58:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Melatonin made me have particularly intense dreams.

That's not necessarily a good thing when most of your dreams involve disgusting violence.


yes, i had a very scary dream about a family friend (Who went crazy IRL) went nuts, and was doing REALLy weird stuff, and at the end, she had caterpillars on her harm, crawling all over. this was last week.

scariest dream i've had in a while.


Posted by mnemonic. on Sep-12-2007 01:00:

Be Cool!

*heads off to the drug store to buy some B6 complex.


Posted by AndreaCKY772 on Sep-12-2007 02:26:

thanks for the input!


Posted by l�cid on Sep-12-2007 02:44:


Posted by Marc Summers on Sep-12-2007 02:44:

lol


Posted by Omega_M on Sep-12-2007 03:05:

Re: b6 vitamins/lucidity/dreaming

quote:
Originally posted by AndreaCKY772
has anyone recalled having better lucidity or vivid dreaming when they use b complex vitamins or b6 (mainly b6)?

i know melatonin and valerian help to induce sleep, but b6 can work as a dream enhancer. i just figured i'd see if anyone here can testify to such claims.


Looks like there's only one publication on this topic and it concludes that...

quote:
...data for dream salience suggests that Vitamin B-6 may act by increasing cortical arousal during periods of rapid eve movement (REM) sleep. An hypothesis is presented involving the role of B-6 in the conversion of tryptophan to serotonin. However, this first study needs to be replicated using the same procedures and also demonstrated in a sleep laboratory before the results can be considered certain.


link

This study is over 5 years old. No other study seems to have been done, or atleast no other publication seems to exist. It may very well be that nobody has has been able to get good results to publish anything further on this topic. Melatonin could induce lucid dreaming as has been reported in some papers. But again, it has not been established as a fact.


Posted by AndreaCKY772 on Sep-12-2007 16:46:

thanks, omega


Posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY on Sep-12-2007 17:52:

Valerian root works really well for falling asleep, but it smells like dirty ass feet though


Posted by DigitalPhoenix on Sep-12-2007 18:10:

quote:
Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
Valerian root works really well for falling asleep, but it smells like dirty ass feet though


Jah, I pop 3 pills whenever I cant sleep
due to partying too long and my body cant unwind..
the smell of it I could do w/out


Posted by AndreaCKY772 on Sep-12-2007 18:50:

yes i've tried the powdered valerian once or twice and it does not smell pleasant at all.


Posted by nchs09 on Sep-12-2007 19:11:

Re: Re: b6 vitamins/lucidity/dreaming

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_M
Looks like there's only one publication on this topic and it concludes that...



link

This study is over 5 years old. No other study seems to have been done, or atleast no other publication seems to exist. It may very well be that nobody has has been able to get good results to publish anything further on this topic. Melatonin could induce lucid dreaming as has been reported in some papers. But again, it has not been established as a fact.
probably because you only get published if you have original research, not continuations.


Posted by Omega_M on Sep-12-2007 19:14:

Re: Re: Re: b6 vitamins/lucidity/dreaming

quote:
Originally posted by nchs09
probably because you only get published if you have original research, not continuations.


No. Original ideas are always radical and very few. For most part, people publish results that are improvements over other people's work.


Posted by nchs09 on Sep-12-2007 19:47:

Re: Re: Re: Re: b6 vitamins/lucidity/dreaming

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_M
No. Original ideas are always radical and very few. For most part, people publish results that are improvements over other people's work.
ya, you dont get published for that. at least in psychology.


you only get published if you have an original idea (obviously gathering research from other experiments) or if you disprove a previously published article.

if your results are null, you can get your stuff published in the null periodical, but not not in a regular journal.


Posted by Domesticated on Sep-13-2007 23:41:

I've been quite sick with a cold the past few days, and I've been using my usual tactic of taking 6 beroccas (a type of multi-vitamin) a day to get better; I find that they shorten the duration of illness immensely.

One of the vitamins in Berocca is B6.

I hardly ever remember my dreams, usually about one a month.

Last night I had the most vivid and twisted dreams I've ever had in my entire life, I assume because I've been all loaded up on B6?

Usually my dreams involve existing situations and people being twisted a little, but last night a whole fantasy unfolded in my head involving people I�ve never met before, and places I�ve never been, it was bizarre.

Strangest of all was that I remembered the whole thing�

Perhaps it was just a coincidence, or perhaps it was another vitamin in the beroccas, or a combination of other factors, but my dreams last night were extremely vivid and very weird.


Posted by Omega_M on Sep-29-2007 21:57:

I've been taking multivitamin pills these days and I seem to recall my dreams, every morning ! I was never able to do that before. I'm suspecting that the B-complex vitamins in the pill are somehow working as a dream enhancer. Weird.


Posted by LoveHate on Sep-29-2007 22:06:

no but i had a lucid dream last night.


Posted by Fast Turtle on Sep-29-2007 22:16:

another odd thing about valerian is that cats love it.. I give my cats a capsule and they tear it open and eat it and then roll around like idiots.


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