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How much $$ can famous producers get?

I'm curious...
I'd like to know, if anyone here knows, how much can someone like...o'callaghan (just an example) make from 1 track.
and how much can get an average 'famous' producer..
also, what was the highest $ u got by producing? and the lowest? (1track)
also, have u ever got f*cked by a label? (like they trying to steal ur stuff or smth...)

really, this isn't a big deal, I'm not into producing anything serious, just a few tracks to share with friends, it's just my curiosity speaking, 'cause I've read somewhere someone (famous) saying that Producers get very low $ compared to DJs.

cheers!

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Originally posted by damnuok I'm curious... I'd like to know, if anyone here knows, how much can someone like...o'callaghan (just an example) make from 1 track. and how much can get an average 'famous' producer.. also, what was the highest $ u got by producing? and the lowest? (1track) also, have u ever got f*cked by a label? (like they trying to steal ur stuff or smth...) really, this isn't a big deal, I'm not into producing anything serious, just a few tracks to share with friends, it's just my curiosity speaking, 'cause I've read somewhere someone (famous) saying that Producers get very low $ compared to DJs. cheers!

the only source of income that is worth mentioning comes from Djing..
and for that they could make anywhere from $1000-20000 more or less and that also depends on a lot of things as well..

last time tiesto came to Toronto i talked to the event coordinator and he was saying they paid him $50000 which i find hard to believe and douth but you never know..

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Originally posted by damnuok I'm curious... I'd like to know, if anyone here knows, how much can someone like...o'callaghan (just an example) make from 1 track. and how much can get an average 'famous' producer.. also, what was the highest $ u got by producing? and the lowest? (1track) also, have u ever got f*cked by a label? (like they trying to steal ur stuff or smth...) really, this isn't a big deal, I'm not into producing anything serious, just a few tracks to share with friends, it's just my curiosity speaking, 'cause I've read somewhere someone (famous) saying that Producers get very low $ compared to DJs. cheers!

there is lots of money in producing. Just not so much electronic music.

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Originally posted by System101 the only source of income that is worth mentioning comes from Djing..

Not really.

"Famous" producers tracks usually get thousands of downloads per distributer when they get on the top 10 chart. Thousands of downloads from 1 site is quite a sum of cash, and labels such a bpitch, poker flat, minus ect. ect. distribute on a shit load of music sites.

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Originally posted by jupiterone Not really. "Famous" producers tracks usually get thousands of downloads per distributer when they get on the top 10 chart. Thousands of downloads from 1 site is quite a sum of cash, and labels such a bpitch, poker flat, minus ect. ect. distribute on a shit load of music sites.

Djing gives much more money, PVD ask 30.000 $US for hour, go figure.
Unless you are a main stream artist, like all the crappy bands, in the tv, you wont get alot of money, yes, big shot producers like tiesto (cough), armin, etc, can get a good income from sales, but Djing&playing live, is where the big bucks are.

Kopi =o.

The digital age has shaken up the record industry. CD sales are way down, every style of music is affected. I'm sure the major EDM artists are feelng it. Nowdays, live performance is where the money is. So DJ/producer is the way to go. A DJ is able to promote their music, so they sell a lot more CDs and digital downloads.

I really don't have no clue as to how much Digweed, Sasha, or other mainstream producers make off music sales. There's no doubt that DJing is their bread and butter. The average producer, like us ones here, are lucky to sell 20 tracks per release. My first release I sold 14 tracks. I was told that was good, LOL. It's pretty discouraging.

My bad experience with a label was due to laziness on their part. They were slow to get releases out, and would hardly even answer my emails. They did pay me though.

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Originally posted by kopi_luwak Djing gives much more money, PVD ask 30.000 $US for hour, go figure. Unless you are a main stream artist, like all the crappy bands, in the tv, you wont get alot of money, yes, big shot producers like tiesto (cough), armin, etc, can get a good income from sales, but Djing&playing live, is where the big bucks are. Kopi =o.

Yes but I am trying to make note of the fact that mainstream producers can make quite a sum of money off a hit that charts top 10 on download sites like beatport. Most of new releases these guys get usually chart top 10 and they release quite a few tracks a month. I'm sure it might be enough for most of them that aren't really too hungry to make as much as PVD/Tiesto.

But ofcourse DJ'ing is where the big bucks are. Then again, get a few good deals a year for tv spots/commercials/shows and you're living pretty well.

From what I've heard, DJing gets money, remixing also gets money, 20 000 was a remixing fee for one big name DJ a couple of years ago.

Producing CAN get money, provided you get tracks on compilations, that is, if your track becomes a big hit and everyone recognises it. But this is not that likely, and will only last a couple of years. So its not really a stable income.
Beatport is making it easier for smaller producers to get onto DJ's playlists though, so you might get some money from that...I don't really know any of this from personal experience, but from what I've heard you make most money through remixing and compilations, DJing too if your good.
I can't believe that PVD only charges $30/hour though, thats really not that much...

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Originally posted by kitphillips From what I've heard, DJing gets money, remixing also gets money, 20 000 was a remixing fee for one big name DJ a couple of years ago. Producing CAN get money, provided you get tracks on compilations, that is, if your track becomes a big hit and everyone recognises it. But this is not that likely, and will only last a couple of years. So its not really a stable income. Beatport is making it easier for smaller producers to get onto DJ's playlists though, so you might get some money from that...I don't really know any of this from personal experience, but from what I've heard you make most money through remixing and compilations, DJing too if your good. I can't believe that PVD only charges $30/hour though, thats really not that much...

Not 30$, but 30,000$

Oh my bad That sounds more like it That sounds like too much now... But I guess I wouldn't be suprised

My mate and i were just doing the maths one day... If we presume that you get 3k downloads off beatport, your earned revenue would be around 2k €.
So in order to live off production alone, one has to make a hit track ... every month.

Of course, compilation licensing can't be included here, and some other stuff which would naturally come if one had a smasher released every month.

Sure, no prob, huh?

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Originally posted by Tarpex My mate and i were just doing the maths one day... If we presume that you get 3k downloads off beatport, your earned revenue would be around 2k €. So in order to live off production alone, one has to make a hit track ... every month. Of course, compilation licensing can't be included here, and some other stuff which would naturally come if one had a smasher released every month. Sure, no prob, huh?

Your maths isn't very good.

Lets assume the average Beatport track is US$1.75 (halfway between $1.50 and $2.00). Thats $5,250 in revenue for Beatport, for 3,000 sales. Let's say Beatport has a markup of 50% (this is what iTunes has). That's US$2,625 revenue left for the label. I'm going to guess that the artist probably gets somewhere around 5%. Thats US$130.

Basically, you wouldn't want to rely on Beatport. lol.

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Originally posted by echosystm US$2,625 revenue left for the label. I'm going to guess that the artist probably gets somewhere around 5%. Thats US$130.

which is why you should start your own label kids!!

Yeah, a lot of producers own their own labels, so I'm not sure whether its as unfair as that... Also, I think dance music labels are usually run on slightly fairer lines than mainstream labels seeing as how they're mostly owned by producers. I still think you wouldn't make much from beatport sales though, compilations are where its at. Also television advertisments! If you can get a song on one of those, you are made.

you should be getting a lot more than 5% of the labels income

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Originally posted by echosystm I'm going to guess that the artist probably gets somewhere around 5%.

What's the markup on download service providers, i don't know, but your guess is where you are wrong mate
In the vinyl days, approx 15-20% was the standard, in digital age, it's 50%.

Recalc

ehhh i didn't make much either. My first release ''Love Affection'' on Emotive Sounds only got 71 sales. And that was my first release. My second single ''Purity'' was only 59. But other than that i only made like 70 freaking bucks..

The money is in playing shows. Even for mainstream bands on the radio most of their income comes from touring.

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Originally posted by ******** but once again I don't have exact figures and these people work on sound tracks and other things in addition to their own albums.. also some larger trance producers have worked in the film industry.. on such well known films as Aladin and others..

Alan Menkin did the score for alladin and i'm pretty sure it had nothing to do with a trance producer. I'd say most EDM producers don't know enough about music to really branch out into other more viable sources of income regarding producing so they kinda have to dj.

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Originally posted by zodiac9 The digital age has shaken up the record industry. CD sales are way down, every style of music is affected. I'm sure the major EDM artists are feelng it. Nowdays, live performance is where the money is. So DJ/producer is the way to go. A DJ is able to promote their music, so they sell a lot more CDs and digital downloads. I really don't have no clue as to how much Digweed, Sasha, or other mainstream producers make off music sales. There's no doubt that DJing is their bread and butter. The average producer, like us ones here, are lucky to sell 20 tracks per release. My first release I sold 14 tracks. I was told that was good, LOL. It's pretty discouraging. My bad experience with a label was due to laziness on their part. They were slow to get releases out, and would hardly even answer my emails. They did pay me though.

You'd be suprised at how many people lash out bones on choons today. I think in the EDM scene on average there is a higher percentage of people who buy their music as opposed to the mainstream crowd. I told my friend I'd give him my tune coming out in a bit and he refused saying he'll have his credit card. Not like I don't wanna make money, but people have a thing about buying something that's just a buck or so! I bought a few tunes, have you?

Unless you're a musical maestro or have the ability to shit trendy tunes you won't make money off producing a track alone; you can probably equate it to working in the mall + being a bit famous.

A certain dj I know in the super elite djmag top 100 is gigged about 4 times a week and makes 2g's plus every gig... not bad I'll tell ya that! Lots of flying, that's all

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Originally posted by RichieV Alan Menkin did the score for alladin and i'm pretty sure it had nothing to do with a trance producer. I'd say most EDM producers don't know enough about music to really branch out into other more viable sources of income regarding producing so they kinda have to dj.

I heard that either Dave Dresden or Josh Gabriel was involved as an engineer or something... Other DJs often do films, BT, underworld and others have gotten into it I know. I think there are others though...

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The money is in playing shows. Even for mainstream bands on the radio most of their income comes from touring.

This is largely true too, mainstream acts aren't any different to trance acts in most respsects.

At the end of the day, if you have a hit it will be on MTV, radio, compilations and used in advertisements. It will make money. Take the band The New Radicals, they had one hit song "Get what you give" and have been raking it in ever since. Mainly their money has come from ads and movies and other "incidental" places where the track's been used. Its this "incidental stuff" that really makes the money a lot of the time.

I vote we change the thread title to "How much A$$ can famous producers get?"

Producing pays well

So you mean, money is not a motivation to start producing, it's motivation to start for DJing,,

You shouldnt start producing with that kind of deliberation.

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Originally posted by nec You shouldnt start producing with that kind of deliberation.

You'd be massively dissapointed if that's your motivation yeah..

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