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Hugo Chavez Watch
Hugo Chavez shocked... simply shocked... that masked gunmen opened fire on a pro-democracy rally denouncing his dictatorship...(ala Fark.com)
Geeeee....yea think?? 
But hey...
Leave Chavez alone! You should be glad he's even oppressing you!
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8 Injured After Anti-Hugo Chavez March Nov 7 07:16 PM US/Eastern By SANDRA SIERRA Associated Press Writer CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - Gunmen opened fire on students returning from a march Wednesday in which 80,000 people denounced President Hugo Chavez's attempts to expand his power. At least eight people were injured, including one by gunfire, officials said. Photographers for The Associated Press saw at least two gunmen�one wearing a ski mask and another covering his face with a T-shirt�firing handguns at the anti-Chavez crowd. Terrified students ran through the campus as ambulances arrived. National Guard troops gathered outside the Central University of Venezuela, the nation's largest and a center for opposition to Chavez's government. Venezuelan law bars state security forces from entering the campus, but Luis Acuna, the minister of higher education, said they could be called in if the university requests them. Antonio Rivero, director of Venezuela's Civil Defense agency, told local Union Radio that at least eight people were injured, including one by gunfire, and that no one had been killed. Earlier, Rivero said he had been informed that one person had died in the violence. The violence broke out after anti-Chavez demonstrators�led by university students�marched peacefully to the Supreme Court to protest constitutional changes that Venezuelans will consider in a December referendum. The amendments would abolish presidential term limits, give the president control over the Central Bank and let him create new provinces governed by handpicked officials. The protesters demand the referendum be suspended, saying the amendments would weaken civil liberties in one of South America's oldest democracies and give Chavez unprecedented power to declare states of emergency. "Don't allow Venezuela to go down a path that nobody wants to cross," student leader Freddy Guevara told Globovision. Chavez, who was first elected in 1998, denies the reforms threaten freedom. He says they would instead move Venezuela toward what he calls "21st century socialism." The Supreme Court is unlikely to act on the students' demands, given that pro-Chavez lawmakers appointed all 32 of its justices. Hundreds of National Guardsmen and police in riot gear were posted along the march route to prevent clashes between protesters and Chavez sympathizers, but they were restricted from entering the campus. |
Heck, in Venezuela hardly anyone has guns :sarcazm: ... I suppose you want to say that Chavez hired those two people to terrorize the population. Thats what Alex Jones would say though.
Just goes to prove what everybody knows: NOBODY in the world likes students!
Seriously tho, I've seen the reports and noted a few things...
Firstly, Chavez can only be blamed for these attacks were carried out by the state. If not, then they are merely criminal acts which happen in every country in the world, and can't really be used as a criticism of Chavez
Secondly, how can a "pro-democracy group" (as you describe them) be protesting against a planned referendum? I think that all constitutional changes need to be ratified by referendums in Venezuela (and if not, that is certainly Chavez's policy) so why don't they put their efforts into campaigning for a "no" vote rather than campaigning against the referendum itself
Thirdly, they are students (not that that in itself is an excuse to shoot them!) who most likely represent the upper classes and therefore the Venezuelan elitist opposition, so they aren't exactly representative of the majority of Venezuelans
The people love him.
Much different a situation than over here in America, eh?
Maybe because we're trapped and helpless as human beings, we wish to see everyone else just the same to make us feel better?
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| Originally posted by George Smiley Firstly, Chavez can only be blamed for these attacks were carried out by the state. If not, then they are merely criminal acts which happen in every country in the world, and can't really be used as a criticism of Chavez Secondly, how can a "pro-democracy group" (as you describe them) be protesting against a planned referendum? I think that all constitutional changes need to be ratified by referendums in Venezuela (and if not, that is certainly Chavez's policy) so why don't they put their efforts into campaigning for a "no" vote rather than campaigning against the referendum itself Thirdly, they are students (not that that in itself is an excuse to shoot them!) who most likely represent the upper classes and therefore the Venezuelan elitist opposition |
LOL @ thread title
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| Originally posted by DJ Shibby Maybe because we're trapped and helpless as human beings |
There's always two sides to a story isn't there?
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| According to eyewitness reports from Hands Off Venezuela members, violence broke out yesterday in Caracas when opposition students arrived back from a peaceful demonstration against the proposed constitutional reforms. Apparently frustrated by the lack of violence, a group of about 250 of the opposition students (many from other universities) went straight to the Central University of Venezuela (UCV) to the School of Social Work which is a stronghold of revolutionary students inside UCV. There, a group of revolutionary students was campaigning for a yes vote in the referendum. They had an assembly for students/teachers/non-teaching staff in the morning and were putting up posters and giving out leaflets. They were then attacked by the opposition students who surrounded the School. Molotov cocktails and stones were thrown, the toilets were destroyed, the door of the Students Centre (Bolivarian dominated) was burned down, and around 150 people (students, teachers and non-teaching staff) were trapped inside the building for several hours, with the violent opposition students trying to force their way into the building to lynch them. |
Where can I buy this Hugo Chavez watch that these thread titles keep talking about?
Two threads and no watches?!?!?
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| Originally posted by pmoisse Where can I buy this Hugo Chavez watch that these thread titles keep talking about? Two threads and no watches?!?!? |
Excellent, thank you 
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| Originally posted by Capitalizt |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley Just goes to prove what everybody knows: NOBODY in the world likes students! |
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| Originally posted by Lira Anyway, Chaves is not happy with Brazil any more. We found a huge reserve here, ant it seems we can become the world's 8th greatest oil exporter... which is not far from another South American country |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley But what happens when the Brazilian government decide to spend the oil wealth on their citizens instead of allowed it to filter away through American oil corporations? Then, you'll technically be living in a "dictatorship"! |
, I want my Hugo Watch too George 
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| Originally posted by George Smiley But what happens when the Brazilian government decide to spend the oil wealth on their citizens instead of allowed it to filter away through American oil corporations? Then, you'll technically be living in a "dictatorship"! |
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| Originally posted by Lira Oh my Gah! No, but really, George, the situation in Venezuela is not like that at all. I don't really have the time to write a report on Venezuela as seen by someone living in South America, but I'll just say that I wish Venezuelans a life without Chavez. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r No doubt Chavez will there like a dirty shirt to council the Brazilians on Amerika's evil pig-dog capitalists ways... |
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| Originally posted by Lira I'll just say that I wish Venezuelans a life without Chavez. |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley Shame the Venezuelans seemingly don't want a life without Chavez! And which Venezuelans are you referring to? The rich ones or the poor ones? |
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| Originally posted by Lira I'm referring to Venezuelans in general, regardless of class. His supporters from the lower class don't even seem to be the majority among those in need, which is something we should all think about. Chavez is quite frequently on the news here for systematically clamping down on any kind of opposition or criticism. Naturally, among rich Venezuelans, you can see it as he closes TV channels and such but how can you listen to the poor when they don't have the chance to speak? That referendum, George, has nothing to do with democracy. |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley Closing down TV channels eh? Think that accusation has been done and dusted! As have all the other accusations you have no doubt seen in your media. |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley Tell me, what is the relationship between the Brazilian government and the Venezuelan government...? |
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| Originally posted by Lira Has it? |
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| It's pretty messy. The Brazilian government has been trying to develop Mercosur (Mercosul in Portuguese), and Venezuela would be a great partner, if it weren't for Chavez who has been giving us Brazilian some headache. Recently, Chavez has already called Lula "oil magnate" and is really excited about us joining the OPEC... but, as you can read in the first article, our leaders know he makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley Yep! You're referring to RCTV which has not been shut down at all, but that's how it was reported at the time. The truth is, their licence to broadcast on the second frequency ran out and the government wanted to use that frequency for a state TV channel (to "increase democracy of the airwaves" apparently). RCTV was able to continue broadcasting (which it is doing), just not on that frequency. But that didn't stop all the world's media reporting Chavez had undemocratically "shut down" opposition media! |
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| Originally posted by George Smiley So you'd say the Brazilian government and media don't look too kindly on Chavez... |
Source? Yea sure, there's plenty in this thread... http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ighlight=chavez
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