Should a closer listen to their openers set?

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Posted by mar46017 on Nov-09-2007 12:26:

Should a closer listen to their openers set?

Too many times I hear a headliner play the same songs that their opener played, because the closer wasn't there to hear the opener?

You think it should slide or there should be there.

I saw a local dj wear a shirt that said, "Same songs, different DJ."

Posted by Dream Beamz on Nov-09-2007 13:59:

If a headliner is closing then the local opener should know who they are opening for. The opener should not play a bunch of tracks the headliner will play but rather build up progressively to the headliners style.

Posted by JSmooth619 on Nov-09-2007 15:03:

Posted by TSG on Nov-09-2007 18:03:

Not everyone hears that track that the opener played or what if... "oooh I love that track and I'm listening to it again!"

Posted by Clovis on Nov-09-2007 19:41:

DJs should stop playing the same tracks everyone else and their mother is playing, this might also help...

Posted by bas on Nov-09-2007 19:51:

Posted by surfrgal on Nov-09-2007 20:09:

I agree with both points above too.

Posted by Bob_Motamedi on Nov-09-2007 20:17:

The promoters should also know the styles of the DJs they book.

If they book 2 headliners, make sure they are different!!!

Posted by DjWoody on Nov-09-2007 21:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Bob_Motamedi
The promoters should also know the styles of the DJs they book.

If they book 2 headliners, make sure they are different!!!

Yes!!! Like the one time at Circus I heard CICADA - THE THINGS YOU SAY.... 8 FUCKEN TIMES!!!! Every DJ played it!!!! WTF!!!

Posted by DjWoody on Nov-09-2007 21:19:

So back to the topic... We have that problem a lot at one of my Top 40 residencies. When I open usually the other DJ is not there, and when I close I'm usually not there for the opening. So sometimes we play the same songs twice because we don't know what each one of us played.

Last night was a perfect example. I opened from 10pm to 11pm and I closed from 12:45 to 1:30am. The whole hour and half in between my sets I wasn't there. I took off to another club. So when I came back to close, I had no clue what he played. So what we do in cases like this, we tell each other what we played. And it works just fine.

In the Top 40 world, some songs are ok to play twice. Those are the hits. Like the stupid song I hate SOULJA BOY!!! God damn, I get like 20 requests for it every night. So playing that song twice is ok. Anything beyond that is a NO NO.

Oh the other hand, in the EDM World, there's so much music to choose from that playing the same song twice is a huge NO NO. People in the EDM world want something different, not a jukebox.

Posted by TSG on Nov-09-2007 22:00:

quote:
Originally posted by DjWoody
Yes!!! Like the one time at Circus I heard CICADA - THE THINGS YOU SAY.... 8 FUCKEN TIMES!!!! Every DJ played it!!!! WTF!!!

Hey that night was dedicated to: THE THINGS YOU SAY!

Posted by Clovis on Nov-09-2007 23:00:

quote:
Originally posted by DjWoody
Yes!!! Like the one time at Circus I heard CICADA - THE THINGS YOU SAY.... 8 FUCKEN TIMES!!!! Every DJ played it!!!! WTF!!!

8 DJs playing the same shit songs = you're going to the wrong fuckin shows...

Posted by R!CH on Nov-09-2007 23:07:

quote:
Originally posted by DjWoody
Yes!!! Like the one time at Circus I heard CICADA - THE THINGS YOU SAY.... 8 FUCKEN TIMES!!!! Every DJ played it!!!! WTF!!!

like when markus was at circus and i heard 'without you near' SEVEN TIMES that night...

Posted by mar46017 on Nov-09-2007 23:12:

quote:
Originally posted by DjWoody

In the Top 40 world, some songs are ok to play twice. Those are the hits. Like the stupid song I hate SOULJA BOY!!!

Look at the boy all the way to the right. He's pretty good!

Everyone made great points. At least if the DJ played a different or newer remix it would be cool, but as stated above with EDM its a no no.

Posted by R!CH on Nov-09-2007 23:15:

in the top40 world, there's no such thing as bad music... or a bad dj...

Posted by fury on Nov-10-2007 00:05:

What's with openers that cane the headliner's own productions?

Posted by groovedaddy21 on Nov-10-2007 00:21:

How about a headliner playing the same song twice? I've seen that happened a few times.

Posted by surfrgal on Nov-10-2007 01:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
8 DJs playing the same shit songs = you're going to the wrong fuckin shows...

You said it!

Posted by hooj1 on Nov-10-2007 02:07:

DJs should make a point to play music no one else really plays. I never understood why DJs must insist to play the same old top 40's tracks. This is the reason for hearing the same played out tracks more than once in one night.

I think any opening DJ should know enough about the headliner to stay away from anything he might play.

Posted by CReddick on Nov-10-2007 02:32:

I was just thinking... If I'm opening, I'm not there to bang a popular track... that's reserved for the headliner. The opening DJ is there to simply warm up the crowd... not try to build an army of fans or steal the proverbial 'thunder'.

Posted by mar46017 on Nov-10-2007 02:49:

quote:
Originally posted by groovedaddy21
How about a headliner playing the same song twice? I've seen that happened a few times.

That's called too much alcohol, cocaine, speed, e or any other substance they are on.

Posted by LionsLair on Nov-10-2007 03:05:

quote:
Originally posted by mar46017
That's called too much alcohol, cocaine, speed, e or any other substance they are on.

Desyn use to play paolo mojo - 1983 (eric prydz) on repeat...He must do tehz drugs confirmed.

Posted by idoru on Nov-10-2007 03:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Dream Beamz
If a headliner is closing then the local opener should know who they are opening for. The opener should not play a bunch of tracks the headliner will play but rather build up progressively to the headliners style.

I'm not going to lie, I agree. However it's not always 100% sure-fire way to prevent such a thing from happening. I could be the biggest Digweed-whore around, listen to every episode of Transitions, download every liveset and look at every tracklist from the last 20 sets leading up to the night I open for him. After all that, there's still a chance that I have a tune that he rarely ever plays, or that people just haven't got around to giving an ID to. That said, the chances of it happening are still greatly reduced.

I also think that in general a headlining DJ should listen to the opening sets of the evening. I'm a huge fan of flow, and while most DJs do have a certain flow to their own sets the headlining DJs don't seem to acknowledge the flow of the evening thus far. Most have taken this "rockstar" approach to just showing up, playing what they want and getting the fuck out. Yeah, their set might be great but they totally mess with the energy and flow of the night between the opener and their own sets if they don't listen and get an actual feel for what is going on. Every club, every crowd, every opening DJ is different. Any international headliner will know this, yet I've rarely found one who will act on it.

Posted by |Thrax| on Nov-10-2007 04:00:

quote:
Originally posted by theory
in the top40 world, there's no such thing as bad music... or a bad dj...

thats right.. it all FUCKING BLOWS!

Posted by Alain on Nov-10-2007 05:13:

fortunately I'm opening and closing tonight

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