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Posted by Zombikiller on Nov-10-2007 12:23:

Upgrading RAM

Guys,

Im about to purchase more RAM for my PC. Im running an AMD Athlon 1.68 GHz with 224mb RAM currently. Would my motherboard be compatible for 2GB you think?

Also, is it plug and play? ie: once installed i should see a noticeable difference in performance straight away?

Cheers


Posted by Cloudburst on Nov-10-2007 12:27:

224 MB, how the hell did you get such a weird amount of RAM?

Anyway, yes going to 1-2GB RAM will give a SIGNIFICANT boost in windows/programs etc.

But you'll need to buy the right memory and probably scrap whatever current memory you have installed. DDR memory should be installed in pairs to use the faster data transfer.

download CPU-Z and find out your motherboard and post it.


Posted by Ian on Nov-10-2007 12:34:

yeah. download cpu-z. your motherboard may not be able to hold that much and it'll also help you find out the particular type of ram, in pin configuration, bus speed and maximum amount supported. No point buying what won't work.


Posted by body125z on Nov-10-2007 12:39:

go to a store with your motherboard manual and buy the apropiate ram memory..


Posted by Zombikiller on Nov-10-2007 12:51:

OK I downloaded it guys and it brought up the following...

Processor: AMD Athlon XP 2000+
Code Name: Thoroughbred
Package: Socket A (462)
Technology: 0.13um
Core Voltage: 1.62 V
Family: 6
Ext. Family: 7
Model: 8
Ext. Model: 8
Stepping: 1
Revision: B0
Instructions: MMX (+), 3DNow! (+), SSE
Core Speed: 1683 MHz
Multiplier: X 12.5
Bus Speed: 134.7 MHz
Rated FSB: 269.4 MHz
Cache - L1 Data: 64 KB
Cache - L1 Instr.: 64 KB
Cache - Level 2: 256 KB
Cores: 1
Threads: 1


Motherboard: American Megatrends Inc. K7S41GX 1.0
Chipset: SIS 741GX
Southbridge: SIS LPC Bridge
LPCIO: Winbond W83697HF

Memory: DDR 256MB (Slot 1)
Slots 2 & 3 Empty


Posted by Cloudburst on Nov-10-2007 13:03:

You should buy PC2700 DDR RAM.

2 x 1GB RAM if you want 2GB. 2 x 512MB if you want 1GB.

Remove the 256 memory stick that's already inside.


Posted by Zombikiller on Nov-10-2007 13:08:

Cool bro, thanks!


Posted by Ian on Nov-10-2007 13:19:

aye you'll get a good performance boost, but obviously the clock speed of your cpu won't get faster, since it's an old chip


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Nov-10-2007 13:21:

it could possibly be cheaper to buy a new mobo + ram + processor you know

hell, 1 Gb sticks of 800 mhz ram are $26AU each! the 2700 stuff you need is like 10 times that price.


Posted by Lunar Phase 7 on Nov-10-2007 14:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Cloudburst
You should buy PC2700 DDR RAM.

2 x 1GB RAM if you want 2GB. 2 x 512MB if you want 1GB.

Remove the 256 memory stick that's already inside.


Can you please tell me how you interperate these results?


Posted by Ian on Nov-10-2007 14:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7
Can you please tell me how you interperate these results?


he googled the motherboard most likely and it'll give him the specs of what to use etc.


Posted by Boomer187 on Nov-10-2007 14:44:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
it could possibly be cheaper to buy a new mobo + ram + processor you know

hell, 1 Gb sticks of 800 mhz ram are $26AU each! the 2700 stuff you need is like 10 times that price.



huh?


Posted by chach on Nov-10-2007 14:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
huh?


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Nov-10-2007 16:24:

haha. im retarded; i use firefox with text size enlarged, and the wrong values were coming up for components. some ram gets quite expensive when it gets older and goes out of production, i thought this might be a case of that. but no, im retarded.


Posted by Andryuha on Nov-10-2007 18:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
huh?


Is that Fedor, pounding Babalu in your sig?


Posted by Boomer187 on Nov-10-2007 21:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Andryuha
Is that Fedor, pounding Babalu in your sig?



its fedor pounding cro-cop in my avatar


when fedor fought babalu they couldn't punch to the face on the ground and babalu was doing well.


Posted by smallSHEEP on Nov-10-2007 22:52:

I wouldn't listen to Cloudburst regarding the need for 2 memory sticks. Running the memory in dual channel probably woun't result in a performance boost you'll be able to detect. However there could be stability problems if you don't used matched pairs.

Your best best would be to buy a single 1GB stick of generic DDR RAM and put that in the slot where your 256 stick is currently located, then move that stick to the first free DIMM slot on your motherboard. You might find that PC3200 is easier to get hold of than PC2700 and this should work fine, you can always run memory slower than it's rated speed.

Also, the reason you currently have 224MB RAM displayed is because your graphics adaptor (probably build into the motherboard) is taking 32MB for itself.


Posted by Andryuha on Nov-11-2007 05:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
its fedor pounding cro-cop in my avatar


when fedor fought babalu they couldn't punch to the face on the ground and babalu was doing well.


i should have known.


Posted by tubularbills on Nov-11-2007 05:43:

YOU GOTTA GET MORE RAM


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Nov-11-2007 05:56:

quote:
Originally posted by tubularbills
YOU GOTTA GET MORE RAM



terrible.


Posted by gehzumteufel on Nov-11-2007 19:46:

as mentioned installing in pairs is not true. and the whole thing about matched pairs has no effect either. its only good when overclocking for stability issues related to quality control and having similar matched performing pairs.

cloud: this isn't old ass simm memory (might as well lump rambus in there too. rambus is basically a simm on sterroids anyways) so no need for pairs. read up. also dual channel is the only way it should be installed in pairs but only if your going to take advantage of it. something he can't do as his chipset iirc is too old.


Posted by kr00t0n on Nov-12-2007 09:59:

quote:
Originally posted by smallSHEEP
Also, the reason you currently have 224MB RAM displayed is because your graphics adaptor (probably build into the motherboard) is taking 32MB for itself.


Yep, having used that mobo in 2 builds, it does have onboard shared graphics.

DDR RAM is expensive now that it's old tech, 2GB will set you back �60ish.

For �66ish you could get:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/126138
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/115961
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/133379
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/126790

This would be a major upgrade to your whole system


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Nov-12-2007 10:29:

the only difference in "matched pairs" is that the two sticks have been tested together. its exactly the same ram quality as non matched pairs.


Posted by Plump Funk on Nov-12-2007 14:44:

I also want to upgrade my RAM but I have a laptop and not sure if my laptop can support dual or not, and is RAM different for a laptop?

Here are my specs:
Processor 1 (ID = 0)
Number of cores: 1
Number of threads: 2 (max 2)
Name: Intel Pentium 4 532
Codename: Prescott
Specification: Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz
Package: Socket 478 mPGA (platform ID = 3h)
CPUID: F.4.1
Extended CPUID: F.4
Core Stepping: E0
Technology: 90 nm
Core Speed: 3066.8 MHz (23.0 x 133.3 MHz)
Rated Bus speed: :533.4 MHz
Stock frequency: :3066 MHz
Instructions sets: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3
L1 Data cache: 16 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size:
Trace cache: 12 Kuops, 8-way set associative
L2 cache: 1024 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size:
FID/VID Control: yes
FID range: 14.0x - 23.0x
VID range: 1.116 V - 1.356 V

Motherboard: TOSHIBA EEQ00/EFQ00
Chipset: ATI RS300/RS300m
Southbridge: ATI SB200

Memory: DDR
Module Size: 512 MBytes
Max Bandwidth: PC2700(166 MHz)

Attributes
Number of banks: 2
Data width: 64 bits
Correction: None
Registered: no
Buffered: no
Nominal Voltage: 2.50 Volts
EPP: no
XMP: no


Posted by djdelusional on Nov-12-2007 16:19:

for ram companies i would go with

OCZ or Corsair, just about the only 2 i would buy


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