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Posted by Omega_M on Dec-16-2007 00:56:

Quick IT Question

I had installed Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 for one of my course projects and now I'm done with it, so I uninstalled it.

I noticed that I still have some of this stuff in the Add/Remove programs panel...



I want to uninstall it, but I don't remember whether this came with the VS or it is needed by Windows. Someone plz help me out.


Posted by Ygrene on Dec-16-2007 00:57:

I don't know.


Posted by jupiterone on Dec-16-2007 01:02:

None of that is needed


Posted by bas on Dec-16-2007 01:11:

You took an IT course and you still need help deciding what to get rid of?


Posted by Boomer187 on Dec-16-2007 01:15:

quote:
Originally posted by bas
You took an IT course and you still need help deciding what to get rid of?


I think he means he just failed out and wants that crap off his puter!


Posted by Omega_M on Dec-16-2007 01:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
I think he means he just failed out and wants that crap off his puter!


HEY

I took a course in "Systems Optimization" where I used Matlab to do my projects. In one of the projects, I had to execute a FORTRAN code to calculate some of the system variables. So basically I had to setup a FORTRAN compiler environment for Matlab which could compile and execute the FORTRAN code as a matlab function. There are only a few commercial FORTRAN compilers that are recognized by Matlab. Intel FORTRAN Complier 9.1 is the only one that works with Matlab in the Windows environment. But it needs Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 linkers to work. So I installed all the software crap for just one matlab function. Might I add that I just checked my grades and got an A in this course.


Posted by Ygrene on Dec-16-2007 01:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_A
HEY

I took a course in "Systems Optimization" where I used Matlab to do my projects. In one of the projects, I had to execute a FORTRAN code to calculate some of the system variables. So basically I had to setup a FORTRAN compiler environment for Matlab which could compile and execute the FORTRAN code as a matlab function. There are only a few commercial FORTRAN compilers that are recognized by Matlab. Intel FORTRAN Complier 9.1 is the only one that works with Matlab in the Windows environment. But it needs Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 linkers to work. So I installed all the software crap for just one matlab function. Might I add, that I just checked my grades and got an A in this course.


Posted by _Nut_ on Dec-16-2007 01:41:

I thought f77 compilers were free and easy to use. I use them on a Unix box or on a windows box with a program called cygwin (mimics a linux environment).


Posted by Omega_M on Dec-16-2007 01:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_3As


Fixed ! w00t


Posted by Akridrot on Dec-16-2007 01:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_M
HEY

I took a course in "Systems Optimization" where I used Matlab to do my projects. In one of the projects, I had to execute a FORTRAN code to calculate some of the system variables. So basically I had to setup a FORTRAN compiler environment for Matlab which could compile and execute the FORTRAN code as a matlab function. There are only a few commercial FORTRAN compilers that are recognized by Matlab. Intel FORTRAN Complier 9.1 is the only one that works with Matlab in the Windows environment. But it needs Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 linkers to work. So I installed all the software crap for just one matlab function. Might I add that I just checked my grades and got an A in this course.


Posted by Akridrot on Dec-16-2007 01:44:

This thread is obscure as fuck.


Posted by Omega_M on Dec-16-2007 01:44:

quote:
Originally posted by _Nut_
I thought f77 compilers were free and easy to use. I use them on a Unix box or on a windows box with a program called cygwin (mimics a linux environment).


yeah, but as I said, there are only very few Fortran compliers that are recognized in matlab. I think g95 is the only free complier that can work. But it requires linux environment and I've never used it before.


Posted by _Nut_ on Dec-16-2007 01:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_M
yeah, but as I said, there are only very few Fortran compliers that are recognized in matlab. I think g95 is the only free complier that can work. But it requires linux environment and I've never used it before.


Ahhh see when i did that stuff with craplab I compiled and ran what I needed outside. I then used matlab to take in the output and go from there.


Posted by Boomer187 on Dec-16-2007 01:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_M
yeah, but as I said, there are only very few Fortran compliers that are recognized in matlab. I think g95 is the only free complier that can work. But it requires linux environment and I've never used it before.



*boomer opens g95 on his windows based PC.



I have to use fortran on my dissertation and I am practicing with g95.


Posted by Omega_M on Dec-16-2007 01:56:

quote:
Originally posted by _Nut_
Ahhh see when i did that stuff with craplab I compiled and ran what I needed outside. I then used matlab to take in the output and go from there.


And the way things were done in that course, we had to interface Matlab with another optimization software called ISIGHT-FD. So matlab did all the function calculations, whereas ISIGHT FD took the values and used its inbuild optimization algorithms to seek a global minimum. Making everything work together was hard as fuck.


Posted by _Nut_ on Dec-16-2007 01:57:

Ok here is a programming rant for the sciences.

Why in the hell is fortran still used? In atmospheric sciences uses it almost religiously and it annoys me to no end. I feel like i've been given the 'coup de gr�ce' when I have to work with it and modify/fix old programs. I can see the usage for legacy systems and routines... but why in the hell is it still used today when there are so many other programming languages that are so much easier/faster/better?

/rant


Posted by Omega_M on Dec-16-2007 01:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
*boomer opens g95 on his windows based PC.



I have to use fortran on my dissertation and I am practicing with g95.


Ask Boomer to setup FORTRAN compiler environment in windows-based Matlab and create a test MEX file using g95


Posted by Omega_M on Dec-16-2007 02:04:

quote:
Originally posted by _Nut_
Ok here is a programming rant for the sciences.

Why in the hell is fortran still used? In atmospheric sciences uses it almost religiously and it annoys me to no end. I feel like i've been given the 'coup de gr�ce' when I have to work with it and modify/fix old programs. I can see the usage for legacy systems and routines... but why in the hell is it still used today when there are so many other programming languages that are so much easier/faster/better?

/rant


I think FORTRAN still has some advantage over other programming languages when it comes to performing calculations. I know cause they still use FORTRAN extensively in CFD applications. From what my friend told me, it is very much suited for fast parallel processing and such. Here's a thread from another forum that talks a bit about this issue.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=169974


Posted by bas on Dec-16-2007 02:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Akridrot
This thread is obscure as fuck.

Why did this make me laugh so?


Posted by Omega_M on Dec-16-2007 02:12:

quote:
Originally posted by bas
Why did this make me laugh so?


IDK, cause it's not ? Hey, I didn't want to make it obscure. All I asked was a simple question about uninstalling some crap from my computer. And I am still waiting for answers Meanwhile your post makes the thread go off on a tangent


Posted by DJ Mikey Mike on Dec-16-2007 02:15:

None of that shit is needed by Windows.


And SQL Server 2005 is so 2 years ago.


Posted by AnotherWay83 on Dec-16-2007 06:19:

^^^ what dj mikey mike said


Posted by LeopoldStotch on Dec-16-2007 06:22:

rolf. yup. all those stuff you listed are packaged with VS2005. so it's cool to dump that sucker, and get yourself a hero.

but speaking of Fortran and "outdated" programming languages, it's all about the process of "going out the box", and replicating the functionality in a new language if a major firm / company wants to upgrade. I once worked for a couple of companies that used Foxpro and MS Access for data storage and functionality. i was like when i mentioned MySQL, DB2, or Oracle, and they shivered on the fact of migrating to a new environment.

but i am surprised that Fortran is still widely used. Maybe it's just the fact that it falls closely to easy coding like BASIC, therefore generating faster results? I don't know. Anyways, i would think C or Perl would be the preferred choice in integrating with Matlab.

just my 2 cents.


Posted by Omega_M on Dec-16-2007 17:29:

^^ Check this thread. Has a good discussion on FORTRAN.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=169974

...

Anyways I trusted you guys and uninstalled all that stuff. And my computer didn't crash. So yeah,

Thanks


Posted by LeopoldStotch on Dec-16-2007 18:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_M
^^ Check this thread. Has a good discussion on FORTRAN.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=169974

...

Anyways I trusted you guys and uninstalled all that stuff. And my computer didn't crash. So yeah,

Thanks


oh my. very fappable material right there. high level vs low level programming. fortran is a very formidable language, especially for mathematical functionality, but outside of that, C is way more flexible than Fortran in terms of architecture and development. but i think one user made one very key point in that it is easy to ship something from start to end in fortran, than in C. for C, it's fairly easy to develop what you need, but to really get it optimized and working, you have to really know the depths of C.

i could talk about the logisitics of compilers, but that kind of shaninigans don't belong in the COR.


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