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Posted by Umezawa on Jan-03-2008 18:07:

ASOT Top 20 or Cheese Fest?

Let me begin by saying that I am not ragging on Armin. I realize that the top 20 has nothing to do with Armin as they are entirely voted upon by listeners. The only thing that tells me though is that the show has become overly mainstream.

After reviewing the top 20 and reviewing some of the best tracks I heard in 2007 I have to say that this top 20 is almost an insult to the trance community. The amount of cheese present in this year's top 20 is enough to make me lactose intolerable.

Mind you I have been a dedicated listeners of the EDM scene for over 6 years now and realize all the different genres and sub-genres of EDM, which make it so great IMO. However, 75% of the tracks in this year's top 20 were boring and formulative vocal tracks. I do not mind vocals, although I prefer non-vocals, but artists like Maor Levi and Andy Moor have taken the elements of vocals and turned them into something unique and creative. A lot of great artists were left out and deprived of their respective credit for enhancing the sound of trance and progressive. This top 20 seems like something z103.5 would manifest, to put it simply. I do realize there were a couple tracks on the top 20 that were a fair representation of this years music in trance but they were scarce.

No one says it better than one of my favourite bands, Mogwai:
"I think most people are not used to having no lyrics to focus on. Lyrics are a real comfort to some people. I guess they like to sing along and when they can't do that with us they can get a bit upset."

Posted by RebeL9 on Jan-03-2008 18:15:

welcome to five years ago.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-03-2008 18:23:

This is not an alt.

Posted by Umezawa on Jan-03-2008 18:32:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
welcome to five years ago.

There are many artists that have contributed positively to the EDM scene this year. Just to name a few: Deadmau5, Maor Levi, Eric Prydz. I did not see any of these names in the top 20.

Posted by Clovis on Jan-03-2008 18:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Umezawa
There are many artists that have contributed positively to the EDM scene this year. Just to name a few: Deadmau5, Maor Levi, Eric Prydz. I did not see any of these names in the top 20.

Theres hundreds more, and I doubt any of those are in the list either.

Posted by isoterra on Jan-03-2008 19:03:

Re: ASOT Top 20 or Cheese Fest?

quote:
Originally posted by Umezawa
After reviewing the top 20 and reviewing some of the best tracks I heard in 2007 I have to say that this top 20 is almost an insult to the trance community.

it's the ASOT top 20, not the international trance top 20. the preferences of one radio show's listener base do not represent that of an entire genre.. i wish more people would start realising this & stop paying so much attention to what is really quite a localised poll

Posted by Umezawa on Jan-03-2008 19:08:

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quote:
Originally posted by isoterra
it's the ASOT top 20, not the international trance top 20. the preferences of one radio show's listener base do not represent that of an entire genre.. i wish more people would start realising this & stop paying so much attention to what is really quite a localised poll

As much as I agree with you, you still have to realize this is the most popular trance radio show on the air. The music portrayed on this show is a projection to the rest of the world of what "trance" is composed of. Regardless of whether that may be an accurate depiction of trance/progressive or not (I believe it is not obviously) is irrelevant because the connotation of trance music will be formed on the basis of things such as this show.

Posted by Ted Promo on Jan-03-2008 19:29:

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quote:
Originally posted by Umezawa
As much as I agree with you, you still have to realize this is the most popular trance radio show on the air. The music portrayed on this show is a projection to the rest of the world of what "trance" is composed of. Regardless of whether that may be an accurate depiction of trance/progressive or not (I believe it is not obviously) is irrelevant because the connotation of trance music will be formed on the basis of things such as this show.

and since when did we care about the portrayal of what we listen to by other people? Sure, I'll correct someone when they say something to me directly that is completely wrong about the music I like, but I don't really care about how it's portrayed.

Posted by leigao84 on Jan-03-2008 19:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Umezawa
There are many artists that have contributed positively to the EDM scene this year. Just to name a few: Deadmau5, Maor Levi, Eric Prydz. I did not see any of these names in the top 20.

Unfortunately the show is not A State of EDM, it's A State of Trance, and a sub-genre of trance at that.

Btw Deadmau5 - Jaded amazing song

Posted by Branah on Jan-03-2008 19:34:

Re: ASOT Top 20 or Cheese Fest?

quote:
Originally posted by Umezawa
I realize that the top 20 has nothing to do with Armin as they are entirely voted upon by listeners.

well yes, voted by the listeners, but those are the same listeners that were bombarded to hell with big-sky-cheese every week and almost only that. So yes, Armin has a lot to do with it ... Stuff like Jim Rivers - I Go Deep, if played more and presented all the time would eventually get voted for top20 too...

Posted by RebeL9 on Jan-03-2008 21:26:

Posted by breakfast on Jan-03-2008 21:35:

it's A State of Commercial cheese

Posted by Umezawa on Jan-04-2008 00:06:

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quote:
Originally posted by Branah
well yes, voted by the listeners, but those are the same listeners that were bombarded to hell with big-sky-cheese every week and almost only that. So yes, Armin has a lot to do with it ... Stuff like Jim Rivers - I Go Deep, if played more and presented all the time would eventually get voted for top20 too...

This is true, however, when you become as big as Armin is you are forced to play what people want, and a majority of ASOT listeners want to hear cheese. Armin still plays a few gems here and there but for the most part he's just playing what his listeners want to hear; can't really blame him for that.

Posted by Yohan on Jan-04-2008 00:34:

what is it with being number one on DJMag 100 turns top trance DJs into crap?

Tiesto was crap when he was number 1, but at least now his tracklists aren't as crappy as it used to be, plus he actually plays a lot of interesting tunes on his radio show

When fans totally dictate what a DJ plays, instead of DJ dictating the direction of his style, something's gone really screwy

Posted by PETRAN on Jan-04-2008 00:44:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
welcome to five years ago.

Van Buuren's "A State of Trance 2004" compilation was great. So many great tracks..."sahara", "the search for freedom", "alba", "offbeat","kubik","future fun land", "ambience", "naked angel", "forbidden colours", "spiral","perfect wave",... all superb tracks and the others were not half bad either...

I think you are exaggerating here...

Posted by Clovis on Jan-04-2008 00:45:

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Van Buuren's "A State of Trance 2004" compilation was great. So many great tracks..."sahara", "the search for freedom", "alba", "offbeat","kubik","future fun land", "ambience", "naked angel", "forbidden colours", "spiral","perfect wave",... all superb tracks and the others were not half bad either...

I think you are exaggerating here...

That CD's tracklist is voted by the listeners?

Posted by RebeL9 on Jan-04-2008 00:47:

Posted by wotyzoid on Jan-04-2008 00:48:

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quote:
Originally posted by Umezawa
can't really blame him for that.

yes we can.

Posted by RebeL9 on Jan-04-2008 00:49:

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quote:
Originally posted by Umezawa
This is true, however, when you become as big as Armin is you are forced to play what people want

are you sure Armin would agree?

Posted by eRRaTiK on Jan-04-2008 00:55:

Posted by Neo95gt on Jan-04-2008 00:57:

voted by listeners, not armin's selections. /thread

Posted by TranceArmstrong on Jan-04-2008 00:59:

The top 20 is really lame this year. So many vocal shit tracks.

Posted by breakfast on Jan-04-2008 01:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Neo95gt
voted by listeners, not armin's selections. /thread

lol..not true , 70% Armin , 30% Listeners

Posted by PETRAN on Jan-04-2008 01:07:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
not even close to his 004 Transparance CD from 2002 and his 001 A State of Trance from 2000.

True, "001 A State if Trance" is much better (and so were the massive "Boundaries of imagination","Basic Instinct" and "In Motion", we are talking about the golden age of epic trance here) but i still find ASOT 2004 to immediately come after these releases (and yes i think its better in comparison to transparence). Just because it was released in 2004 doesn't make it bad. There were some great tracks released in 2004 ("spiral" was simply sublime and so was "the search for freedom").

Posted by PETRAN on Jan-04-2008 01:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
That CD's tracklist is voted by the listeners?

Hey look its this waster clovis! I missed you man...

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