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anybody check this thing out yet? i did the currency conversion on it and it looks like its going to be 3000(wow) i think you would be better off with the mixer you have and a lemur?

Looks pretty damn sick. I don't like the studio faders on it though.

So wait, what does it do that the 3d doesn't?

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Originally posted by RJT So wait, what does it do that the 3d doesn't?

it really doesn't sound like much:

Following the revolutionary Xone:3D, the new Xone:4D DJ mixer with built in MIDI controller now has a 24bit sound card and a great new look and UV light sensitive white screening so the controller data will glow under UV light.

Here's the latest info on it:
# Totally new USB2 soundcard
# 24bit/96kHz capability
# Drivers available for both PC and Mac
# 4 stereo outputs plus digital out
# 4 stereo inputs plus digital in
# 8 extra soundcard configuration switches remove the need for the desktop configuration utility of the :3D
# Ability to switch FX2 RCA sockets to be recording outputs
# Unique real-time LFO waveform edit function
# Dual layer control surface with control snapshot allows 225 mappable MIDI controls across the two layers.
# Updated mixer circuitry
# Improved BPM detection system
# Heavy duty chassis and front panel

The new 4D will do everything that the 3D could do, and more. It will enable DJs to greatly extend the capability of their digital setup, e.g. by running 4 simultaneous decks in Native Instruments Traktor, or by being able to achieve genuine multi-track recording of their sets in applications such as Ableton Live or ProTools. The new 4D should soon be given Traktor Scratch approval by Native Instruments, enabling full compatibility with their encoded vinyl system.

Of course, the most noticeable visible element about the 4D is the new style. A & H have developed it in response to many people�s requests for panels which are easier to read in low light (all the white screening is in Ultra Violet sensitive paint, which glows when exposed to UV light), and for the Xone design to become more stylish and representative of contemporary design.

* Availability: New Product - Coming Soon

http://www.westenddj.co.uk/ProductI...roductid=XONE4D

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and the lemur isn't for everyone. depending on what genre you play, the 3d/4d will suit you perfect

oh and they seriously should have put in 4 band eq like the damn 92.

wasn't 3:d limited to a total of 4 in/outputs, where as now you have 4 of each. and usb2 vs 1.1

3d supposedly had plenty of reliablility issues, so maybe that's the big update here.

looks nice.. but i would spend my money somewhere else.

but... i have no money

Lemuuuur...

that looks pretty nice, but i love my djm800 more :P

i bet chris liebing is drooling over this though

was going to buy a 3D in a month or so, but i think ill wait till the 4D comes out.


the extra stereo output and the dual layer midi controls are exactly what i need. i cant say i love the new style though, to dark, and does every dj booth have UV lights? nope, im sure they could of come up with something a bit more practical, but im sure in a dj booth with UV lights it will look awesome.

its not that far of the price of a 3D, couple hundred pounds or so. although the 3d will drop in price when this comes out.



any news on a release date? the sooner the better imo


EDIT*

http://www.decks.co.uk/products/mix...n_heath/xone_4d

have it in stock apparently, well, delivery in 2-3 weeks anyway

I hate how Allen and Heath is trying to cater to three markets with this thing: the Traktor market, Ableton market, and conventional CDJ/TT market. I wish they would either make a sick Ableton controller (ala Maven or Zero 8 but better) or just stick to making their usual mixers! The layout is still lame, MIDI pots and faders don't look like the same quality as the mixer knobs + sliders...

I don't know, I think A&H should have mass produced hawtin's 92:ctrl instead of this. just my 2c tho

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Originally posted by Max Thomson I hate how Allen and Heath is trying to cater to three markets with this thing: the Traktor market, Ableton market, and conventional CDJ/TT market. I wish they would either make a sick Ableton controller (ala Maven or Zero 8 but better) or just stick to making their usual mixers! The layout is still lame, MIDI pots and faders don't look like the same quality as the mixer knobs + sliders... I don't know, I think A&H should have mass produced hawtin's 92:ctrl instead of this. just my 2c tho

i think this xone line is great, its usefull and its a quality piece of kit, but i do admit that it tries to do to many things.

and as for mass producing Hawtin's 92:ctrl.....well, that would be just awesome wouldnt it.....................but i would still go for the 3d/4d

It's a nice update, but too late... I had the 3D and the sound card was a HUGE limitation. The MIDI controls aren't really good enough to mix with (not enough knobs for 3 band eq), and when you have that "almost-xone-92" mixer sitting right there it makes more sense to route ableton channels into that. The 3D limited you to two channels, and when you set one of them up as a cue channel, it was really limited. Plus the 3D has huge MIDI latency.

But yes, for ableton DJ's, the Vestax VCM-600 plus an external soundcard seems like a better choice to me at this point.

This device isn't bad, but it tried to be all things for everyone, but winds up being best at none of them.

It's much easier making one device that can try to cater to all the different buyers than to make a single-function device or one for Ableton, Traktor, decks. Once you add in MIDI, then there's no reason to stop at a few controls, and so that's why they keep adding more. With both Ableton and Traktor, it's beneficial to have an external soundcard, and having it all one box is nice, too. The only thing that doesn't always logically follow is the inclusion of a traditional audio mixer, but that's what A&H have historically made, right? Might as well add that in, too.

You end up with an all-in-one box with a ton of features that resulted from feature-creep that tries to cater to all. This way, they can also sell it at a premium price, and people will still buy it.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 and when you have that "almost-xone-92" mixer sitting right there it makes more sense to route ableton channels into that.

isnt that what you were supposed to do lol

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 The 3D limited you to two channels.

dont you mean 3 (stereo)?

and the new one does have 4 right?

when is the price of the xone 92 going to come down???

i have an djm-800 but want a xone 92 as well

i think thats where korg really hit it. the whole board lights up and from what sasha said its actually a really nice piece. it is pretty bright to from when i seen sasha play on it a couple weeks ago. but they don't have any korgs around here t check out because all of the knobs look pretty cheap in the pics and thats no good when your talkn 2000. great layout though

What the hell are they making their knobs look like those on the DJM-800 for?

Re: xone 4d

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Originally posted by MACBOOK69 anybody check this thing out yet? i did the currency conversion on it and it looks like its going to be 3000(wow) i think you would be better off with the mixer you have and a lemur?

If you US guys get lucky, it might be a bit under that. DJ gear is on average 20% cheaper than in Europe. And err, I'll keep my analogue Xone thank you.

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Originally posted by Ultraphu when is the price of the xone 92 going to come down???

price of the 92 has fallen quite a bit here in the last year or so, was up around AUS$3000 not that long ago, now $2090.

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Originally posted by Clovis What the hell are they making their knobs look like those on the DJM-800 for?

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Originally posted by RJT So wait, what does it do that the 3d doesn't?

4 is more than 3, duh!

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery 4 is more than 3, duh!

and thats the exact reason i plan on getting this lovely piece of kit lol

i dont know why they didnt do this in the first place

but i suppose if they provided 4 originally, the upgrade would just be new shiny things on the top

yes...........im posting.....again....lol

I have just spoke to HTFR and the release date is 13th May (UK) for those that are interested, so i should have a nice present waiting for me when i come back from Cuba

I guess you have to ask yourself what you really want to accomplish with this thing... I think it's better suited to traktor than ableton.

The problem with the 3D when I had it was that using it to mix "in the box" (MIDI faders mapped to ableton, eq's mapped to ableton, etc.) felt horrible. Those studio style MIDI faders on either side are really too short for mixing, and when MIDI mapped the curve was awful. Plus you only have 2 knobs for eq's per channel, unless you map out something weird.

If you then choose to mix "out of the box" (routing 4 audio channels, each to a mixer channel in the middle), you wind up with all these faders on either side that aren't overly useful. The jog wheels also aren't exactly necessary in ableton (though using one for clip scrubbing is kinda cool).

Looking at the Vestax VCM-600, it's already layed out perfectly for ableton. And even labeled as such. You need a soundcard as well, but you can route into any mixer available.

For Traktor use, this looks more compelling to me. 4 decks running with timecode, using the traktor scratch certified soundcard in it (no need for the audio 8 interface), and using all those knobs and faders for effects and loop control seems cool.

thats what hawtin si doing these days isnt he.. with a xone 3d and traktor

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