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Capturing that Trance feel
Just wondering if anyone could show me the light on how to capture that trance feel.
Not looking for a paticular sound/cord progessions or to mimic another trance producer.
Just been having issues getting it to sound like trance...
I was working on a track last night, got the bass/sizzle/
kicks n clap(for side chain refernce). Was working on a pad hook.
showing it to my bru, uasilly do this to make sure im not progressing with absolute rubbish.
Things just didn't sound right, he started helping me with my pads and still sounded off.
Sped it up to 160 and it was undeniably HHC.
Was like fuck, not that i don't like HHC just not the direction i want to head. Reworked the bass and top hook, only to come up with fast Elektro...
Suggestions to capture that trance feel, or linkz to another thread would be coo.
Thx
Was thinking of building a shrine to Teisto and making virgin sacrafices on the alter.
Kinda hoping there was a better way.
160 is way too fast 
Pick out a track that you enjoy listening to regularly, and see what's going on in the mix and follow how it's structured.
There's a tutorial on how to create a "standard" trance tune in this forum. Check it out. It can give you some basic ideas.
Try posting your work, so people can take a listen and see what you're doing wrong.
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...1&forumid=48&s=
Yea 160 is HHC speed
Not looking for any type of standard as i will just end up mimicing somone elses production.
I have my own ideas of sound and structure.
Your probally right just need to pic out fav trance choons and rinse the shit out of them.
Mabye just trancing only is the key.
I did want to go see Benga and Skream on the 18th.
Must fight the urge to get pumped on other EDM and stick with trance.
Thx bru
Add more analog.
Also whale sounds and waves crashing to shore.
Tiestor shrine + asian flute = winrar.
Do you want the original trance from the early 1990s or the 1999 - 2001 style of epic trance?
Early '90s trance: anywhere from 125 - 150 BPM; lots of acid (303) and high-resonance squelchy noises; short breakdowns (usually thirty seconds to a minute) or no breakdowns at all; you can try throwing in some spoken word samples or "ethnic" sounding vocals; percussion will mostly be relatively simple 909 or 808 style drums and hits plus some tribal-sounding drum and perc samples; lots of weird and spacey noises and pads; most common effects are probably delay and reverb; melodies are mostly very short, one to four bars generally.
Late '90s trance: usually around 135 - 145 BPM; lots of supersaw pads and saw leads; longer breakdowns (usually from two to three minutes) where the track pretty much stops completely; if you use vocals, they should be light and breathy and have some simple lyrics with basic pop themes of love, loss, and heartache; breakdown includes a low-pass filtered supersaw with gradually increasing cutoff frequency and probably a snare roll; percussion will be a big thumping kick with a very loud clap or snare and some hats with a delay on them; noise washes; melodic elements will often have a ton of delay and reverb; melodies are longer, stretching out sometimes to four, sixteen, or even thirty-two bars.
As a general guide that's about it, I think.
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| Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Do you want the original trance from the early 1990s or the 1999 - 2001 style of epic trance? Early '90s trance: anywhere from 125 - 150 BPM; lots of acid (303) and high-resonance squelchy noises; short breakdowns (usually thirty seconds to a minute) or no breakdowns at all; you can try throwing in some spoken word samples or "ethnic" sounding vocals; percussion will mostly be relatively simple 909 or 808 style drums and hits plus some tribal-sounding drum and perc samples; lots of weird and spacey noises and pads; most common effects are probably delay and reverb. Late '90s trance: usually around 135 - 145 BPM; lots of supersaw pads and saw leads; longer breakdowns (usually from two to three minutes) where the track pretty much stops completely; if you use vocals, they should be light and breathy and have some simple lyrics with basic pop themes of love, loss, and heartache; breakdown includes a low-pass filtered supersaw with gradually increasing cutoff frequency and probably a snare roll; percussion will be a big thumping kick with a very loud clap or snare and some hats with a delay on them; noise washes; melodic elements will often have a ton of delay and reverb. As a general guide that's about it, I think. |
You should be creating that "trance feel" based on what that is to you.
- Learn how to harmonize and use counter melodies.
- Make sure you make use of most of the frequency spectrum (Obviously not to the point of muddiness).
- Achieve rythmic drive. This is unfortunately something that isn't easy to describe. Everyone does it differently. But it's mostly due to the way the bassline and the percs are programmed.
these things take time, as i've said in other forums... this stuff is HARD, not easy.
keep at it, you'll figure it out
david
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| Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Do you want the original trance from the early 1990s or the 1999 - 2001 style of epic trance? Early '90s trance: anywhere from 125 - 150 BPM; lots of acid (303) and high-resonance squelchy noises; short breakdowns (usually thirty seconds to a minute) or no breakdowns at all; you can try throwing in some spoken word samples or "ethnic" sounding vocals; percussion will mostly be relatively simple 909 or 808 style drums and hits plus some tribal-sounding drum and perc samples; lots of weird and spacey noises and pads; most common effects are probably delay and reverb; melodies are mostly very short, one to four bars generally. Late '90s trance: usually around 135 - 145 BPM; lots of supersaw pads and saw leads; longer breakdowns (usually from two to three minutes) where the track pretty much stops completely; if you use vocals, they should be light and breathy and have some simple lyrics with basic pop themes of love, loss, and heartache; breakdown includes a low-pass filtered supersaw with gradually increasing cutoff frequency and probably a snare roll; percussion will be a big thumping kick with a very loud clap or snare and some hats with a delay on them; noise washes; melodic elements will often have a ton of delay and reverb; melodies are longer, stretching out sometimes to four, sixteen, or even thirty-two bars. As a general guide that's about it, I think. |
Awhile back I was able to see a fully produced song track by track - I think it was something from Gabriel and Dresden. What helped was being able to isolate the sounds on solo and hear the layers working together. What may be helpful is getting your hands on some current remix packages that have samples and midi files to drop into your sequencer and really see/hear how it is working together. The other thing that did for me was be able to isolate different sounds in my head when I'm listening to a track.
Check out for some remix packs and see if that helps develop your own style at all.
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| Originally posted by Eldritch - Learn how to harmonize and use counter melodies. |
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| Originally posted by JustinMead Can you explain a bit more on this? I keep hearing this one over and over, and I don't exactly know the meaning Justin |
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| Originally posted by JustinMead Can you explain a bit more on this? I keep hearing this one over and over, and I don't exactly know the meaning Justin |
GET A BOOK OF CHORDS AND SCALES
you can get one at barnes and noble for like 7 bucks!
david
Aware of chords and scales used to play bass, pretty sure it translates.
Think im on more point, thx for replies.
Gotta an intro up with vocals over it, def has trance vibe.
Think im getting there finillay lawl.
oh no... vocals...
i remember when ascension -- someone came out...
that was an amazing track, but in my opinion it was the beginning of the end (castles i the sky *puke*)
david
It gets worse, i'm doing the vocals myself 
Getting alot better with Auto tune n malendone(think thats what its called, using it at a bru's so not sure exact spelling)
Will be able to turn anyone into a superstar vocalist soon!
we drift deeeeeeeeeeeeeeper... life goes on (puke)
david
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| Originally posted by davidbuhau we drift deeeeeeeeeeeeeeper... life goes on (puke) david |
yeah as the rush comes is up there
best vocal song ever - cass n slide "perception" 
Dude, seriously, the "feel" of a track is ALL about the engineering. It is completely subjective depending on how you do things. Since no two tracks are the same, it boils down to making the right choices based on the material you have to work with. Knowing what to choose is what separates the pro's from the amateurs. Choosing the right sound, making them fit perfectly together, giving each sound it's own space, spending time tweaking the EQ & Compression on a bass drum or a hi-hat, or making tiny little adjustments to this synth line or that synth line. There are so many elements, you can't nail it down to just one.
Something that has helped me a lot, especially during mixdown, is painstakingly analyzing tracks I like the sound of using a spectrum analyzer. Take something like Ozone, which allows you to snapshot the spectrum analysis of an audio file, and play a track you like the sound of through it to capture a snapshot of the spectrum. Then overlay your tracks spectrum on that and see where you may be lacking. Is the bass too loud? Are the highs too bright or too dull? Do you see massive peaks or valleys in particular areas of the spectrum of your track compared to the professional track?
Once you determine this, then you can learn how to make adjustments using EQ, volume, compression, etc and LISTEN to how your track changes. Things like: What happens when I cut the Bass drum at 100Hz with a thin Q by 2 db? I should back off the threshold on that compressor because it is distorting too much. I need to cut at 1200Hz on synth line A because it is overlapping with synth line B and creating some muddiness in that range and I want synth line B to stick out in that range.
It is usually desirable to let the fundamental on a particular sound dominate that frequency range and cut anything else that may be overlapping (although there are artistic exceptions to this).
You'd be surprised how much those little changes can make a big difference in the sound of a particular part or how one part fits along with the rest. Once you get the hang of this, then you can literally change the "feel" of a track just by knowing what you want to stick out and what you want to push into the background. You can turn a full on trance anthem into a chilled out progressive track simply by engineering things in a particular way.
Listen, learn, study and don't give up.
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