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With all the green intiatives and all that, what are your thoughts on it? I am all for it, even though we have yet to find a solution for long term disposal and storage of the spent nuclear waste. I saw that they are testing the viability of the Yucca Mountain Nuclear storage facility and this piqued my interest in what you c0r whores thought.

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For or against. If against, why. What are your concerns regarding nuclear power and its associated risks, waste, etc.

we need the Fusion power plants like they have in Sim City 3000

NUCULAR!

Waste disposal for fission reactors actually got a lot more efficient and safe with the development of breeder reactors.

Fusion will create even less waste.

I am pro-nuclear.

All for it - I've actually had this conversation a few times to relatively deep degrees with Myra's brother (who is a nuclear engineer).

The impact on the environment, specifically when it comes to greenhouse gas emissions, is minuscule compared to that of coal or other fossil fuels. It's also genuinely renewable, meaning our energy concerns regarding fossil fuels can be drastically reduced by the creation of more nuclear plants, and it is also incredibly safe (contrary to what a lot of the public believes).

The biggest concern is waste storage, however, it seems most people who want to bang that drum fail to realize how sound a job the government does of regulating nuclear waste, and also seem to give up on the prospect that we will ever find any practical application for what we now know as "nuclear waste."

Simply put, nuclear power is the one issue I think the "green" folks and the economists can agree on. Financially and environmentally responsible power.

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Originally posted by l�cid NUCULAR!

I fucking want to slap EVERYONE that says that. It just goes to show how fucking stupid people are.

/rant

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Waste disposal for fission reactors actually got a lot more efficient and safe with the development of breeder reactors. Fusion will create even less waste. I am pro-nuclear.

Ahh interesting. I was unaware of this type. Sounds really good!

I'm down as long as some n00b doesn't release it all over MAH YARD

My final work for graduation was about nuclear plants and their effects on ecology.
So, simply put, I'm all for it because there are far more pros than cons.
With proper education of people who maintain power plants and proper disposal of nuclear waste, there should be no problems.
Impact of nuclear plants on ecology is negliable compared to enormous ammounts of energy they give.
Also, taken into account that we're quickly running out of fossil fuels that run thermal power stations, I think everything has been said.

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Originally posted by RJT All for it - I've actually had this conversation a few times to relatively deep degrees with Myra's brother (who is a nuclear engineer). The impact on the environment, specifically when it comes to greenhouse gas emissions, is minuscule compared to that of coal or other fossil fuels. It's also genuinely renewable, meaning our energy concerns regarding fossil fuels can be drastically reduced by the creation of more nuclear plants, and it is also incredibly safe (contrary to what a lot of the public believes). The biggest concern is waste storage, however, it seems most people who want to bang that drum fail to realize how sound a job the government does of regulating nuclear waste, and also seem to give up on the prospect that we will ever find any practical application for what we now know as "nuclear waste." Simply put, nuclear power is the one issue I think the "green" folks and the economists can agree on. Financially and environmentally responsible power.

I have wanted to talk to some sort of Nuclear scientist as the whole nuclear thing is very intriguing to me.

The impact on the environment is almost non-existent in the emissions sense. It doesn't really emit anything that is toxic in any high levels unless there is a problem with the design.

While waste storage is highly regulated, it is still a problem. I see what you mean that it is something that we will not have a solution for in the near future, but do you think that they will find one?

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Originally posted by Gauss My final work for graduation was about nuclear plants and their effects on ecology. So, simply put, I'm all for it because there are far more pros than cons. With proper education of people who maintain power plants and proper disposal of nuclear waste, there should be no problems. Impact of nuclear plants on ecology is negliable compared to enormous ammounts of energy they give. Also, taken into account that we're quickly running out of fossil fuels that run thermal power stations, I think everything has been said.

Do you mind if I were allowed to read your paper?

Oh and for those that don't know, 3 of the 4 reactors at Chernobyl, are active and in use today.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel While waste storage is highly regulated, it is still a problem. I see what you mean that it is something that we will not have a solution for in the near future, but do you think that they will find one?

Man, why do interesting threads have to pop up right when I have to bail.

To be brief, I think I was a bit unclear - I do indeed think they'll find something to do with the waste, at least a better way to manage it than they have currently. My only hope is that they can find a practical application for it (i.e. the waste is used for something else).

Look forward to seeing where this thread goes over the afternoon.

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Originally posted by RJT Man, why do interesting threads have to pop up right when I have to bail. To be brief, I think I was a bit unclear - I do indeed think they'll find something to do with the waste, at least a better way to manage it than they have currently. My only hope is that they can find a practical application for it (i.e. the waste is used for something else). Look forward to seeing where this thread goes over the afternoon.

DAMN YOU! lol

Yeah I have the same view. I really hope that they will find a practical yet incredible use for the waste.

Also for the rest of us, what about the "not in my backyard" camp? I know everyone says this, but do you think people are really ready to have a massive nuclear reactor in the middle of a desolate place like Kansas or Oklahoma? I think that people are still assuming that all nuclear power is going to end up, or have the potential to end up, just like Chernobyl.

The German government has decided some time ago to abandon nuclear energy, giving in to the green movement and some other idiots talking shit about it. I think that's an immensely stupid decision for many reasons.
We throw away important technology and reasearch results, as well as some jobs in that area. And our neighbour countries just build new nuclear power plants along our boarder from which we continue to buy our energy . So all the stupid government has achieved is to give up control, independence and a cheap, reliable and (relatively) clean power source for idealistic ideas.

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Originally posted by Meat187 The German government has decided some time ago to abandon nuclear energy, giving in to the green movement and some other idiots talking shit about it. I think that's an immensely stupid decision for many reasons. We throw away important technology and reasearch results, as well as some jobs in that area. And our neighbour countries just build new nuclear power plants along our boarder from which we continue to buy our energy . So all the stupid government has achieved is to give up control, independence and a cheap, reliable and (relatively) clean power source for idealistic ideas.

What a shame. Was that Gerhard Schroeder's doing or before him?

The U.S. is still pretty backward that way.

In France, nuclear energy is the biggest source of power.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel What a shame. Was that Gerhard Schroeder's doing or before him?

Yeah, that was Schr�ders work, heavily influenced by B�ndnis 90/Die Gr�nen (German green party) and his environment minister Trittin.

I like the idea of pursueing renewable energy sources, but they are not fully adequate for a number of reasons. There just is no sensible reason to abandon nuclear power, and I get so pissed when politicians (usually supported by the press) manage to enforce stupid shit like that on people.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Do you mind if I were allowed to read your paper? Oh and for those that don't know, 3 of the 4 reactors at Chernobyl, are active and in use today.

Do you speak Croatian?

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Originally posted by Meat187 Yeah, that was Schr�ders work, heavily influenced by B�ndnis 90/Die Gr�nen (German green party) and his environment minister Trittin. I like the idea of pursueing renewable energy sources, but they are not fully adequate for a number of reasons. There just is no sensible reason to abandon nuclear power, and I get so pissed when politicians (usually supported by the press) manage to enforce stupid shit like that on people.

(I took german for 3 years in high school)
Hahaha I figured it was his work. He did a lot of good, but there were also a lot of things that he just fucked up. I guess he was better than god damned Bush though lol

For sure. Nuclear is one of the best renewable alternatives, as it has the highest yield for the smallest unit of fuel.

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Originally posted by Gauss Do you speak Croatian?

Unfortunately no. Oh well.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel I think that people are still assuming that all nuclear power is going to end up, or have the potential to end up, just like Chernobyl.

My knee-jerk reaction is "god, I can't believe there are people that stupid," and then I realize the place and age that I live in. And then I get depressed.





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Seriously though, as it has already been said in this thread, nuclear power is by far the most viable option right now. Build the fucking plants already!

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Originally posted by nrjizer Build the fucking plants already!

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Unfortunately no. Oh well.

Heh. I'm sure you could understand a part of it vaguely if you speak Russian, but that's not it.

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Originally posted by Gauss Heh. I'm sure you could understand a part of it vaguely if you speak Russian, but that's not it.

The amount of Russian I speak, is so miniscule, I wouldn't even vaguely understand it. It's all good. Thanks anyways!

I'm personally pro nuclear too. But to add a few caveats to what has been said. It isn't always cheaper. It isn't renewable. And those working at or around active sites do have a higher chance of cancer.

That said you'd need something like 1000-3000 100ft high wind turbines with a life of 20 years max to cover what one nuclear power plant would provide. Once these are dumped what happens to them? There would be massive amounts of waste.

End of the day if you have a manged repository so what if it's active at least you know it is. Try digging up some standard uranium ore or check out if you have radon gas in your house.

Also these days the amount of activated material is much lower. The materials used in reactors don't become active (obviously the fuel is). Then you have a dunt (a lot) of "low level waste" which is basically not active. Just stuff that has been used in an area where contamination is possible. But how bad are these areas? People work in them every day.... 99% of waste will actually not be "active in any way".

All for it. 100%

It's a simple equation, rewards outweigh risks.

...as long as nobody flies a 737 into it.

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