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I've a request:

Could one of you fine folks record up a sample of successfully beatmatching? Only thing is, I'd like for it to be flat(No EQing)...I get the feeling that I might be doing something wrong, and I want to be sure.
I mean, the tracks stay in time, but I have to EQ the bass out(phase cancellation and whatnot), and when I do there's still a very sharp *click* on each beat.

Any help/samples appreciated.
(Note that I am using CDJ-200s and a Korg KM202.

you probably should eq


your levels will spike otherwise

Well, I do EQ...But as I said, a prominently annoying click remains on the beat... :|

EDIT: Moreover, EQing the higher stuff takes out the sheen of the track.

Um, my mixer has different EQ presets, is there a range that you might recommend?
Here they are:
KM-Q
HI: -25dB - +15dB MID: -25dB - +15dB LO: -25dB - +15dB

Round-Q
HI: -28dB - +12dB MID: -28dB - +12dB LO: -28dB - +12dB

Boost
HI: -20dB - +18dB MID: -12dB - +12dB LO: -20dB - +18dB

Slamming
HI: -30dB - +6dB MID: -30dB - +6dB LO: -60dB - +6dB

Isolator(Uses a trapezoidal curve)
HI:-[infintity]dB - +9dB MID:-[infintity]dB - +9dB LO:-[infintity]dB - +9dB

Hyped(Uses a gradual curve)
HI:-[infintity]dB - +9dB MID:-[infintity]dB - +9dB LO:-[infintity]dB - +9dB

Thanks for any suggestions

The Pioneer DJM-500 goes from -20 to +12 which is like Boost on your mixer. Not sure what that click sound is. I'll see if I can get a sample up sometime.

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Originally posted by ReclusNdangrmnt Could one of you fine folks record up a sample of successfully beatmatching? Only thing is, I'd like for it to be flat(No EQing)...I get the feeling that I might be doing something wrong, and I want to be sure. I mean, the tracks stay in time, but I have to EQ the bass out(phase cancellation and whatnot), and when I do there's still a very sharp *click* on each beat. Any help/samples appreciated. (Note that I am using CDJ-200s and a Korg KM202.

Any chance you can post a sample? It's hard to tell without hearing it... Is it happening on ALL your mixes?

It's hit and miss. Luckily I try to record as much of my mixing as possible, so I think I've got a sample of this...I'll edit this post with a link.

EDIT:
Alright, here's a .wav(Didn't want compression to misconstrue us all )(Only 6-7MB)

http://files.filefront.com/exwav/;10984779;/fileinfo.html

Kicks in around 30 seconds.
Songs are Luminary-Amsterdamn(Smith and Pledger remix) and Free Radical-Surreal(En-Motion remix)
Both songs used were in CD-quality format.

My beatmatching has improved a lot since then...But this still haunts me occasionally, and I'm trying to finish a summer mix 'n such ...Hopefully it's some quick fix. Again, many thanks for the help.

You are hearing the high end of the kick. It's like throwing a highpass filter on a kick beat... you'd basically be left with a clicking sound. That is what you are hearing as you are switching the bass frequencies. 2 things... ensure your bass is balanced. When one fades out faster than the other fades in, what is left of the kick is a pop/click. Second, watch your mids, this is where the click actually resides when the bass isn't balanced. Hear it fade as you flip the bass in from the second track.

Duly noted. I suppose there are many kicks that are a pain in this regard, more so than others...
Just keep on my toes then :P

Thanks for the help

Any advice with regards to what EQ setting I should use? Or just whatever I want?

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Originally posted by ReclusNdangrmnt Duly noted. I suppose there are many kicks that are a pain in this regard, more so than others... Just keep on my toes then :P Thanks for the help Any advice with regards to what EQ setting I should use? Or just whatever I want?

Personally I like the look of the Round EQ because I tend to cut frequencies when mixing more than boosting (why I'd choose it over the first option)... and by the looks of it, the Round EQ gives you a more aggressive cut, along with a balanced spectrum on the hi, mid, low. Your call - whatever sounds best, but just looking at the numbers, that'd be my preference.

Alrighty. Cheers.

You DO NOT NEED TO EQ a mix for it to sound proper.

EQ is like salt, a little here, a little there.

You can mix VERY nicely using just the upfaders. The gain structure of DJ mixers is such that you can bring two tracks in and have quite a bit of control without peaking the levels... unless of course you are just throwing the fader all the way up (which you shouldn't do anyway).

Try practicing without EQ's first, focus on your gains and levels, and when you should subtly switch the faders a bit on the top end. DJ's did this for many, many years (including folks like Sasha and Digweed on Twilo's UREI 1620, which doesn't have EQ's).

Over time mixers like the 1620 were complimented with a separate 3 band isolator on the master, which would allow you to do things like drop the bass a tad or do some drop effects... modern mixers with EQ's on every channel let you be more creative, but it's not "necessary" to EQ on every mix.

why dont you try every eq setting and see for yourself? its best to get a good feel

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 You DO NOT NEED TO EQ a mix for it to sound proper. EQ is like salt, a little here, a little there. You can mix VERY nicely using just the upfaders. The gain structure of DJ mixers is such that you can bring two tracks in and have quite a bit of control without peaking the levels... unless of course you are just throwing the fader all the way up (which you shouldn't do anyway). Try practicing without EQ's first, focus on your gains and levels, and when you should subtly switch the faders a bit on the top end. DJ's did this for many, many years (including folks like Sasha and Digweed on Twilo's UREI 1620, which doesn't have EQ's). Over time mixers like the 1620 were complimented with a separate 3 band isolator on the master, which would allow you to do things like drop the bass a tad or do some drop effects... modern mixers with EQ's on every channel let you be more creative, but it's not "necessary" to EQ on every mix.

I have done this, and still experience phase cancellation.

Practice more?

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Originally posted by ReclusNdangrmnt I have done this, and still experience phase cancellation.

Since this last week I've been trying to get in like 20-30 minute sessions a day. I just waltzed over to the ole setup and gave some of the stuff on here a try. The faders do indeed work wonders, so thanks for that...And the phase cancellation is easily EQ'd out. Boatloads of help.

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Originally posted by nefardec you probably should eq your levels will spike otherwise

Not if you control the gain or fader levels properly. I hardly ever EQ. Only when absolutely necessary. Not saying it is the wrong or right thing to do, but I don't spike my levels.

I don't mean to sound like an ass, but really you should be able to mix without EQ's. There are still venues around with rotary mixers without them, so it's good to know how to do it.

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Originally posted by ReclusNdangrmnt Since this last week I've been trying to get in like 20-30 minute sessions a day. I just waltzed over to the ole setup and gave some of the stuff on here a try. The faders do indeed work wonders, so thanks for that...And the phase cancellation is easily EQ'd out. Boatloads of help.

Yeah seriously don't use the EQs like you're cutting up a dead animal. If you're having phase problems (poor beatmatching) work on that first. Don't try to cover up shoddy mixing by abusing the EQs.

I can point you towards a mix I did using no EQ at all. Actually a few if you're interested in hearing what it sounds like.

Please do.

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Originally posted by ReclusNdangrmnt Please do.

Mixes

Scroll down the the bottom and download the Mixes that say "J Cavazos". Those are all mine and they're all done with zero EQ only gains and level faders. I'd go for the August 2007 one as it is the most recent but they're all done with no EQ.

Here's one I did live at a club with a Rane 2016, with no EQ's at all on the mixer (so I couldn't cheat):

Live at Rise Part 10-7-2007, Part 1 (right click, save as...)

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 You DO NOT NEED TO EQ a mix for it to sound proper. EQ is like salt, a little here, a little there. You can mix VERY nicely using just the upfaders. The gain structure of DJ mixers is such that you can bring two tracks in and have quite a bit of control without peaking the levels... unless of course you are just throwing the fader all the way up (which you shouldn't do anyway). Try practicing without EQ's first, focus on your gains and levels, and when you should subtly switch the faders a bit on the top end. DJ's did this for many, many years (including folks like Sasha and Digweed on Twilo's UREI 1620, which doesn't have EQ's).

Bam-O!

Right on the nose! Props to you Ryan.. Listen to this man, he knows what his on about.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Practice more?

+1

20-30 min sessions aren't going to do shit

when i first started mixing i would put in 8-9 hours a day, i'd take a little break now and then to grab a drink or something to snack on, hit the bathroom and back to it i went

to play any instrument takes a large level of dedication

i could probably mix my first 100 records i ever had with my eyes closed but it was worth it

it takes many years to master a craft, i've been doing this for over 8 years now and i'm still nowhere near where i want to be

keep playing, one day everything will just "click"

20-30 minutes is all I can manage with my schedule...I'm a hobbyist, I'm not trying to find work (Well...Not at this point >_>).

then know, with 20-30 mins a day, it's going to take you a while to figure this out

djing is all about time spent behind the decks, every time i play i learn a little something new, how to eq better, beatmatch a little bit faster and read the crowd

i can say it's almost like how pilots rate their experience with hours logged

other things come into play as well, like if you have a musical background or not

and about learning to mix with no eq, it's a valuable skill to learn, you learn to pick tracks better, ones that won't clash, your sets will develop better flow

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