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KOTOR goes MMO

i fucking hate MMOs. fuck you bioware and fuck you too EA.

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Ever since it was announced in 2006, BioWare's massively multiplayer role-playing game has been shrouded in mystery. Though the Canadian developer opened a satellite studio in Austin, Texas, just to develop it, its cofounders Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk maintained an iron wall of silence. However, Electronic Arts knew enough about the title to help convince the company to buy BioWare/Pandemic for $860 million last year. Today, as E3 2008 wound down, the fog hanging around BioWare's MMORPG appears to have dissipated. Less than 72 hours after presiding over EA's own press event--where the project was nowhere to be found--CEO John Riccitiello almost casually revealed the MMORPG in question is a sequel of sorts to Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. "We've got two of the most compelling MMOs in the industry in development," Riccitiello told Conde Nast Portfolio magazine. "The first title, based on the Warhammer property, will launch soon. And the one that people are dying for us to talk to them about in partnership with Lucas [Arts is] coming out of BioWare, which is, I think, quite possibly the most anticipated game, full stop, for the industry." When contacted by GameSpot, BioWare reps declined to comment further. BioWare's first Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic game was released in 2003 for the original Xbox and PC, and was named the year's top RPG by GameSpot. An Obsidian Entertainment-developed sequel was released in 2004 and 2005 on the same two respective platforms. Both critically acclaimed games are set several thousand years before the events of the Star Wars films, and cast players as adventurers who eventually become powerful Jedi Knights. Currently, the Knights of the Old Republic MMORPG is set for release sometime in 2009. Once it launches, it is unclear what will happen to LucasArts' current massively multiplayer title, the Sony Online Entertainment-developed Star Wars Galaxies.

oooooh, yay. a bunch of dicks running around with lightsabers yelling "owned!"

and seriously, why create more than one class? who will want to be anything but a jedi?

fuck MMOs are gay.

+ fucking 1

Coudnt they just make KOTOR 3 instead Im not touching any MMO, but i can just see the hordes of people that will grab this and make it one of the most successful MMOs ever, bioware will get shitloads of money and they will forget about making KOTOR 3 for those of us that cant stand MMOs.



Seriously i cant stand this fixation on MMOs anymore, i would like nothing more than to start my own game studio and focus on making proper RPGs.



perhaps after uni.

Im on the fence about this, since I have played MMO's and I really do like the idea of a properly done (let us hope...ugh SWG) MMO set in the Star Wars universe...but why ruin the KOTOR franchise when its proven to be such a great RPG game to begin with. I guess most other studios/publishers want to cash in on the blizzardisque-MMO domination once WoW starts to die out.

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Originally posted by Moongoose Seriously i cant stand this fixation on MMOs anymore

Same here, but MMOs are what bring the big bucks.

Why the hating? Obviously u guys are not RPG fans, or are still stuck with the old turn based style RPG's of 15 years ago. If they can pull off the star wars world to anything close to how WoW is, this will be a great game. Finally its been announced! RJT...I told u there was going to be another release to this game biatch!

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY Why the hating? Obviously u guys are not RPG fans, or are still stuck with the old turn based style RPG's of 15 years ago.

you fail at reading comprehension. we hate MMOs; that hardly means we dont like RPGs. especially since most MMOs arent RPGs at all, but merely dungeon looting and XP grinding. no choices, no story, no repercussions for those choices, asides from combat there's no role to be played at all.

so really, it is YOU that doesn't like RPGs.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you fail at reading comprehension. we hate MMOs; that hardly means we dont like RPGs. especially since most MMOs arent RPGs at all, but merely dungeon looting and XP grinding. no choices, no story, no repercussions for those choices, asides from combat there's no role to be played at all. so really, it is YOU that doesn't like RPGs.

lol, score pretty high on the SAT with your reasoning and logic skills? Shuffle off now and go play some metal gear solid. The word clueless never has applied so well to someone.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY lol, score pretty high on the SAT with your reasoning and logic skills? Shuffle off now and go play some metal gear solid. The word clueless never has applied so well to someone.

empty rhetoric is no substitute for a proper argument champ. show me how i am wrong or bugger off.

They did this already. Star Wars Galaxies

Boringest game I have EVER played...

No ones going to mention how star wars: galaxies failed?

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Originally posted by Darkarbiter No ones going to mention how star wars: galaxies failed?

irrelevant. do you think galaxies failed because it was star wars or because it was a bad game?

Bioware pretty much makes great games. Even their "bad games" are top of the line compared to other games out there.

the thing is, everyone i know plays wow.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY Obviously u guys are not RPG fans, or are still stuck with the old turn based style RPG's of 15 years ago.

MMORPGs and RPGs are two different genres.

People aren't hating on RPGs, theyre hating on MMORPGs. Not all RPGs are turn based. (hello... TES!?!)

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Originally posted by -FSP- the thing is, everyone i know plays wow.

Bad taste is a very common thing.

I know plenty who play WoW...I don't understand it. Can somebody explain to me what Blizzard did that made their game so much different and special? From my perspective, its just the same shit with Warcraft characters. Meaning boring and repetitive as fuck.

Whats not to understand? Its video gaming that caters to both hardcore and casual gamer, its easy on the system, and pretty cheap if you consider the amount of playability you get to the amount you spend per year.

MMO's can actually be fun if you have time to play them. *shock*

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Originally posted by Rodrico Whats not to understand? Its video gaming that caters to both hardcore and casual gamer, its easy on the system, and pretty cheap if you consider the amount of playability you get to the amount you spend per year. MMO's can actually be fun if you have time to play them. *shock*

Well, if the game is easy to play for casuals as well, then Blizzard did do something extremely right there (the biggest complaint with MMO's is how un-user-friendly or complicated it is).

That being said, and this is my personal opinion, no game is worth a monthly fee.

...well maybe that statement is a little too absolute...but I've played so many free games in my life that paying monthly to play just one is something I just hate.

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Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000 Well, if the game is easy to play for casuals as well, then Blizzard did do something extremely right there (the biggest complaint with MMO's is how un-user-friendly or complicated it is). That being said, and this is my personal opinion, no game is worth a monthly fee. ...well maybe that statement is a little too absolute...but I've played so many free games in my life that paying monthly to play just one is something I just hate.

Why is no game worth a monthly fee? Its probably more cheaper than buying a new video game every 1-3 months at retail value?

To add to this discussion, yesterday, someone asked me why I bought Madden '09 when its similar to Madden '08, my response..."Im not fucking poor like you"

The real question is, why are most gamers the most poorest mother******s i've ever seen? Get a job you bunch of lazy bastards.

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Originally posted by Rodrico Why is no game worth a monthly fee? Its probably more cheaper than buying a new video game every 1-3 months at retail value?

You are right about saving cost, but I have a short attention span when it comes to video games. I can't dedicate myself enough to want to play a game for months on end. Of course, this is just my situation...there a lot of people out there who can get hooked on something and never stop loving it (the people I know that play WoW, etc.). With me, I'll want something new a few weeks down the line, so a monthly fee doesn't bode well with my interests.

Are there games that I come back to? Of course! But when I come back to them, its usually for a sitting or two. Not for several months. Take Counter-Strike, for example. I've been playing the damn thing off and on for over 8 years. Ridiculous amount of time to say the least, but 5 or 6 of those later years, I probably didn't play more than...oh, I'd say 20 times in the whole year. I'm not one to think that justifies a monthly fee.

Another thing that bothers me with the whole monthly fee scenario is the number of free online games out there. Every single one of the Steam products (example), once you own it, its yours and you don't pay a dime more. I know, I know, the monthly fee ensures 24/7 server tech support (as well as customer over-the-phone, etc.), plus it allows for endless expansions to be made to improve the game experience. But then, I realize, you usually have to pay for those expansions anyway, in addition to the monthly fees that you've already stacked according to however long you've been playing said game.

Could I afford to do it? Absolutely, but there are so many other alternatives out there that I easily persuade myself otherwise.

The only MMO I play is Eve Online but that's an entirely different beast and a niche market.

As for RPGs, I prefer epic singleplayer campaigns. I don't want to grind for XP just so I can beat some other kid in PvP.

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Originally posted by Fledz As for RPGs, I prefer epic singleplayer campaigns. I don't want to grind for XP just so I can beat some other kid in PvP.

exactly why i dont want this game to be true
how is it going to work in terms of going through the story and the choices you make? hopefully even though they are making this they can still continue the tale of revan and the exile in another single player game a bit later.

anyway here is an ign article on the things they would want in an online kotor:
http://au.pc.ign.com/articles/910/910963p1.html

not being a jedi is in there, but i think in the kotor games there is pretty good room for this. in the last two games you could build some pretty good blaster pistols and melee weapons, and energy shields took care of fighting against sabres. if you had high enough stats you can resist force powers too. so it shouldn't be too hard.

anyway still waiting on an "official" announcement about this game, we just have to keep waiting

Mass Effect was the real Kotor 3.

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Originally posted by Project-K Mass Effect was the real Kotor 3.

That thought makes me sick to my stomach.

I'm sure the Mass Effect trilogy will be great as a whole, but I'm still a bit miffed about having to pay $180 to get through it. The first game was about a third of a good RPG with two thirds filler.

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Originally posted by RJT That thought makes me sick to my stomach. I'm sure the Mass Effect trilogy will be great as a whole, but I'm still a bit miffed about having to pay $180 to get through it. The first game was about a third of a good RPG with two thirds filler.

Yeah, I got that feeling while playing through it that, although there was a solid quality to the game, the experience felt a little shallow. I'm not sure if I'm going to bother with sequels.

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