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Making trance in reason

Hey guys, Im wondering if you know of any guide or any tutorial, ANYTHING that helped you make trance.

Im having a hard time trying to find the sounds I am looking for, sounds that are normally found in trance, that I am lacking the skills to produce in Reason.

I know this sounds really noobish of me, but I have been making trance for a little less than a year and I still sound like shit.
Proof?
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That was my remix of Children by Robert Miles..
my first remix, and probably my 10th song I made on reason. They say it gets better progressively, but it truly hasnt for me.

I have no idea on structure, all I know is that there is a intro, then main part, break down, main part, then outro.

Can someone please link me a guide or tutorial, give me advice, something, that can help me make trance?

listen to trance u like, find out what u like about it, analyze structure, levels etc. im not saying you should copy the tracks just find out what u like about them and try remember it when you start ur own track.

keep in simple,dont over examine things. start from the bottom ie make a good bassline and build a track around it. and find all pro's and con's of the music software you are using.

u could consider a diferent daw if u dont feel u understand it after a year. reason is like u either get it realy fast, or u dont at all, ever. maybe try other stuff like ableton etc.

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Originally posted by palm u could consider a diferent daw if u dont feel u understand it after a year. reason is like u either get it realy fast, or u dont at all, ever. maybe try other stuff like ableton etc.

I personally love reason and was able to do some a lot of awesome stuff in it, but in the end i realized how much i couldnt stand the sequencer and piano roll so felt i had to move away.

i like reason quite a bit and can do a lot with it.

what i would suggest is obviously keep practicing, use your ears to listen and really hear how other songs are made.

but also get "mutekki vengeance essential club sounds 1 & 2", and get some good refills geared toward trance. i think "sonic flavours-digital art trance station" is the best that i have seen.

also go to nonstop2k2.com and down load some midi files. have a look at how people are making basslines and synth lines. there's lots you can learn from there.

other then that just keep playing and always have fun. good luck

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Originally posted by rriparetti Hey guys, Im wondering if you know of any guide or any tutorial, ANYTHING that helped you make trance. Im having a hard time trying to find the sounds I am looking for, sounds that are normally found in trance, that I am lacking the skills to produce in Reason. I know this sounds really noobish of me, but I have been making trance for a little less than a year and I still sound like shit. Proof? [[ LINK REMOVED ]] That was my remix of Children by Robert Miles.. my first remix, and probably my 10th song I made on reason. They say it gets better progressively, but it truly hasnt for me. I have no idea on structure, all I know is that there is a intro, then main part, break down, main part, then outro. Can someone please link me a guide or tutorial, give me advice, something, that can help me make trance?

http://au.youtube.com/user/hydlide24

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=0YOX2iBZE90
10 part tutorial on making a trance song from scratch, what synths, kick etc... along with the melodies etc. More to the point... you see how they flow with each other as they are added and everything.

Too bad I don't like (mainstream) trance much :P

Haha, I think so far I've used every synth in thor except the multi oscillater one.

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Originally posted by Stef I personally love reason and was able to do some a lot of awesome stuff in it, but in the end i realized how much i couldnt stand the sequencer and piano roll so felt i had to move away.

I just got a hold of Reason 4 and was loving Thor and the new arp machine.
I haven't used Reason in years so it was quite pleasing at first, almost to the extent where I was considering abandoning FL.

Then after I got some sounds crunching I go down to the sequencer, mess around for 2 mins, than go to file > exit.

Its sad because I really love a lot about Reason and think it can be a great program, w/out a couple MAJOR setbacks.

Oh and in response to the OP have you got the ask Reason dvds?

They are packed with everything most people would need to know, + obviously a bit of experience.

Let me know if you need them.

I think reason is a good place to start when first getting into producing your own tracks. Get to know how to program each of the synths in Reason and how each of their parameters affect the sound.

I found that after learning how to program the synths in reason helped me out a lot when moving onto other DAWs and using various VSTs. Plus if there's certain synths you like in Reason, you could always ReWire it to another DAW and have the best of both worlds.

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Originally posted by Resequenced I think reason is a good place to start when first getting into producing your own tracks. Get to know how to program each of the synths in Reason and how each of their parameters affect the sound. I found that after learning how to program the synths in reason helped me out a lot when moving onto other DAWs and using various VSTs. Plus if there's certain synths you like in Reason, you could always ReWire it to another DAW and have the best of both worlds.

Great point with the rewire, as much as I know I can and want to do it for some reason I never do.

May go play around with it right now actually.

THis will fix your problem this is exactly what you need.

A masterclass in making trance in reason

http://www.computermusic.co.uk/page...m_tutorial_pdfs

CHeck down the list it is in 3 parts and even has the midi files to download. Its a complete step by step guise to making trance its called trance masterclass

Go to reasonstation and download some of the most popular reason songs. Learn from them as some of them are actually quite good. (Some digital art stuff for example).

That's what I did when I got reason 4.

I had the same problem as you did. Was never convinced that Reason could give me the trance sounds I was looking for until I heard some of the professional tracks that have been produced solely on Reason and managed to get hold of some of the track files.

I would say it is absolutely essential to have Vengeance sample packs or similar plus some good refills such as those mentioned already i.e. digital art. Creating trancy synths particularly leads and pads is extremely difficult if you don't fully understand how to use the synths and effects. For example to create a really good patch you need to be layering multiple synths in the combinator and routing to multiple effects also created in the combinator. Load up some of the refills mentioned and you will see what I mean.

In the end however it ultimately comes down to mixing as that is where the art truely lies and that takes practise and is indeed something I still struggle with no matter how good the melodies and patches sound.

Further to my last comment I would say however that changing to a DAW that supports VST's may give you the inspiration you're looking for. I use Reason rewired into Cubase now as with VST's you can have an awesome patch loaded within seconds. Plus I have an Access Virus TI (yum). I do think the Reason redrum and subtractor for bass are hard to beat with VST's hence the fact I still use those. I would never discount Reason altogether.

Having used Reason for a few years I can say its DEF much less friendly for trance than a workstation like Fruity.

However Reason does have some extremely useful features that can be used along with another program (like Fruity) to do pretty much anything you need.

I still say that little subtractor m/fkr makes nicer basslines than any vst (commercial or non) I've hosted in FL. I mean subtractor gets some really sharp, deep, and thick sounds.
Even with massive there seems to be a certain character I can't get that subtractor can do. Plus all the native affects processors in Reason seem to be better imo. FL's chorus/flanger make completely different sounds and their really dull.

call me crazy

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Having used Reason for a few years I can say its DEF much less friendly for trance than a workstation like Fruity.

how is it much less friendly? i think everything is really good except it could have a better EQ and should have a freq analyzer

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Originally posted by lowski freq analyzer

learn the vocoder man!

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Originally posted by Reno I had the same problem as you did. Was never convinced that Reason could give me the trance sounds I was looking for until I heard some of the professional tracks that have been produced solely on Reason and managed to get hold of some of the track files.

Daniel Kandi produces his tracks with Reason only! Hence the name of his new track with Robert Nickson, Rewire

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Originally posted by Theran Daniel Kandi produces his tracks with Reason only! Hence the name of his new track with Robert Nickson, Rewire

I believe he runs hardware as well. Some of his sounds just seem impossible with reason.

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Originally posted by Stef I believe he runs hardware as well. Some of his sounds just seem impossible with reason.

people seems to underestimate reason alot lately, i wonder why, many people make great music with it. many master outside maybe on analog compressors etc to warm up and push up the levels but the music itself made in reason can be very good.

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Originally posted by palm people seems to underestimate reason alot lately, i wonder why, many people make great music with it. many master outside maybe on analog compressors etc to warm up and push up the levels but the music itself made in reason can be very good.

I really like the work-flow of reason, i think it is a terrific plug in, and although it sounds somewhat digital, i get some of my favourite sounds out of it.

My computer atm is a piece of shit, so i make a melody export it to audio, drum loop, export it etc. And then i arrange it in acid pro. I also, have fl studio which i use for software synths. I think in a mix Reason sounds great, Especially my drums that come out of it, for some reason (to me) they sound a lot punchier and fuller.

I'm still very new to trance production, less that 6 months... I started using reason, and found that while I learnt loads about routing and modulation etc... (the operations manual is a good read), I struggled to make anything more that utter crap. Then I got abletons free witha keyboard and that opened my world. VST's with awesome presets, abletons clip view is amazing for arranging if you just want to play around... Anyway, my opinion is that Reason is great to learn with and Im sure you can make it sound good if you know what your doing, but I've been having much more success since moving on.

something that helped me was picking a good trance track that i though was relativey simple and try and copy it. half way through it turned into my own creation, but an excellent starting point.

didnt someone do a copy of airwave using the thor and it sounded like liquid sex?

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