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Posted by Waza on Nov-13-2008 19:27:

New Daw which one?

Hi All,

If your where going for a new Daw, which one would you choose. I have Ableton just now but i don't like the GUI. So now i'm thinking of going for either cubase or sonar. I was just wondering which you would choose.

It has to have VST support....

On Pc only..

any suggestions would be appreciated.

Waza


Posted by Lolo on Nov-13-2008 19:33:

As a former cakewalk user, I'd go for Sonar. I used Cubase too, it's damn too expensive and lacks a lot of features that sonar brings. Too bad I'm on Mac and Cakewalk won't release an osX version of sonar. I'd use it.


Posted by Zak McKracken on Nov-13-2008 19:33:

Try Reaper
www.reaper.fm
its CPU friendly, very easy, very logicaly setup and very good actualy. and its free. Tho it feels like ur programming in java or something its quit geeky. I sometimes do some mastering in there after made my tracks in Reason. Considered mac/logic btw? Im trying that out these days and it seems nice so far.


Posted by atxbigballer1 on Nov-13-2008 20:43:

Reaper is the best! Who needs PROTOOLS 8!?


Posted by Watts on Nov-13-2008 20:56:

FL Studio for sure.


Posted by ad0nis on Nov-13-2008 21:04:

Definitely get cubase if your using PC


Posted by cryophonik on Nov-13-2008 21:05:

I "switched" from Cubase to Sonar years ago, but I stay current on both. I prefer Sonar, but they're both great DAWs. Demo both and decide which workflow you prefer. Sonar has a much better plugin bundle and better tools for EDM IMO (e.g, step sequencer, Beatscape, custom MIDI tools), is more configurable, and Cakewalk has better customer support than Steinberg could ever hope for. But, I'd say most people probably prefer Cubase's piano roll.


Posted by cryophonik on Nov-13-2008 21:05:

quote:
Originally posted by ad0nis
Definitely get cubase if your using PC


...because...????


Posted by Zak McKracken on Nov-13-2008 21:08:

isnt both sonar and cubase quit expensive? you should def try reaper man for this reason only.


Posted by thecYrus on Nov-13-2008 21:16:

quote:
Originally posted by palm
Try Reaper
www.reaper.fm
its CPU friendly, very easy, very logicaly setup and very good actualy. and its free. Tho it feels like ur programming in java or something its quit geeky. I sometimes do some mastering in there after made my tracks in Reason. Considered mac/logic btw? Im trying that out these days and it seems nice so far.


reaper is not free.


Posted by Zak McKracken on Nov-13-2008 21:29:

its free enough, to the day u plan to release anything.


Posted by echosystm on Nov-13-2008 22:23:

Cubase - best VST compatibility, easy to use
Sonar - best festures, but hard to use (GUI is horrible)
Reaper - best GUI, great workflow, terrible VST compatibility


Posted by thecYrus on Nov-13-2008 22:29:

quote:
Originally posted by palm
its free enough, to the day u plan to release anything.


it's free for 30 days. if you use it longer it's not legal.

if it doesn't stop to work after the trial period it doesn't make it more legal. though the non-commercial price is not that steep.


Posted by Zak McKracken on Nov-13-2008 22:50:

quote:
Originally posted by thecYrus
it's free for 30 days. if you use it longer it's not legal.

if it doesn't stop to work after the trial period it doesn't make it more legal. though the non-commercial price is not that steep.

is this new as of lately? ive had version 2.0 for a good while now for free? maybe its thirty days in working time... i only use it to convert wav to mp3 with lame.


Posted by Waza on Nov-13-2008 23:06:

thank you for all your reply's and debates its been good to read.

But now i feel I will have to try both demo version. Reaper sounds good but i'm looking for something that in years to come I will feel comfortable with when I upgrade.

Palm I would love to go Mac, my friend swears by it who is a classical composer. But funds do not stretch to that kind of budget.(new Mac and Daw).


Waza


Posted by atxbigballer1 on Nov-14-2008 01:51:

quote:
Originally posted by echosystm
Reaper - best GUI, great workflow, terrible VST compatibility

What do u you mean? Terrible VST compatibility?? VSTs work fine for me with NO bugs!


Posted by Stef on Nov-14-2008 04:10:

Get reason so you can come back here and make more threads.


Posted by kitphillips on Nov-14-2008 05:55:

You won't find anything better than ableton. If you can't make good music in it you won't make good music in anything.


Posted by pwnage1 on Nov-14-2008 06:53:

Try demos of them all of them, check out there support forums to find problems in them. Get which ever one you like the most.


Posted by Storyteller on Nov-14-2008 09:22:

Renoise! Old school (pre-piano-roll) music composition is making it's comeback!


Free version with only 2 limits, no wav export, no asio. But if you've got a decent pc you can run DirectX way below 20ms anyway .

Version 2 is coming soon, with full Plugin Delay Compensation. Then it's really starting to get good . The beta's are out now for registered (paid) users and it looks very promising.


Posted by Beyer on Nov-14-2008 16:03:

quote:
Originally posted by kitphillips
You won't find anything better than ableton. If you can't make good music in it you won't make good music in anything.


lol pretty bold statement I�d say. It just didn�t fit my way of doing things, but I should take another look at it. I really did want to like it, since it seems like you can hammer down ideas in an instant.


Posted by Zak McKracken on Nov-14-2008 18:26:

quote:
Originally posted by kitphillips
You won't find anything better than ableton. If you can't make good music in it you won't make good music in anything.

lol not true. ableton is soo heavy shit crashing and shit all the time destroying all the creativity flow (for me that is). ive tryed about everything soon and the only thing i can be creative in so far is reason.


Posted by Ray_Chappell on Nov-14-2008 21:02:

quote:
Originally posted by palm
is this new as of lately? ive had version 2.0 for a good while now for free? maybe its thirty days in working time... i only use it to convert wav to mp3 with lame.


I could have sworn it was free at one point - even recently - but I guess not.

quote:
The normal price for REAPER is $225.00 USD, however for users who wish to use REAPER only for non-commercial use we offer reduced price licensing for $50.00 USD. Upgrades from non-commercial licenses to full (commercial) licenses are available.

For more information on the terms of licensing, see the Licensing Terms below.

Full license purchase
A full REAPER license (which allows use of REAPER for commercial purposes as defined below) is available for $225.00 USD.


Posted by kitphillips on Nov-15-2008 02:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Beyer
lol pretty bold statement I�d say. It just didn�t fit my way of doing things, but I should take another look at it. I really did want to like it, since it seems like you can hammer down ideas in an instant.


There are other DAWs as good as ableton, but nothing thats so much improved that it'll revolutionalise your production ability. I wasn't saying that ableton is the best and everything else is inferior neccesarily, I don't have the experience to say that. only that ableton has no crippling flaws which bring it down terribly. IMO ableton has the easiest gui of any DAW, the other's are extremely cluttered by comparison and aren't as logically laid out.


Posted by atxbigballer1 on Nov-15-2008 05:26:

quote:
Originally posted by kitphillips
There are other DAWs as good as ableton, but nothing thats so much improved that it'll revolutionalise your production ability. I wasn't saying that ableton is the best and everything else is inferior neccesarily, I don't have the experience to say that. only that ableton has no crippling flaws which bring it down terribly. IMO ableton has the easiest gui of any DAW, the other's are extremely cluttered by comparison and aren't as logically laid out.
Im not a pro but i think you should try Reaper and Learn it! But do what ever works for you! Im just trying to help you out! I have them all! im going to get protools 8 soon, it looks ok but i think REAPER and REASON is still KING and going to be for a long long time!


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