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Posted by Irishaddict on Dec-10-2008 02:48:

I feel sorry for York U students

I would go ballistic if I lost a semester. I haven't kept up on the discussion and debate, but do you think it will be done before December 15th (York U students here??)? That has been labeled as 'drop-dead date' for classes. What have you been doing in the interim? Does any of your funding extend for provisions like this? Oh man, my heart goes out.

The Star Article


Posted by FunkyCrew on Dec-10-2008 02:52:

York's offer to CUPE - http://webapps.yorku.ca/Negotiation...mmunication.pdf


Posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* on Dec-10-2008 02:56:

Definitely feel their pain. I know how upset I was about the 3 week strike here. Fortunately it didn't affect us TOO much. I hope you guys get back to shcool soon.


Posted by Special K on Dec-10-2008 02:59:

im enrolled for a graduate course starting in january

i wonder if I will be screwed over as well hmmmmmmm . . .


Posted by MarkT on Dec-10-2008 03:08:

I went through it a little over 10 yrs ago the last time it happened...so I feel the students' pain.

very shitty to screw over the students for this long...


Posted by LKD on Dec-10-2008 03:09:

when york manages to do 5 years straight without a strike, that will be the day all theories of space will be null and void


Posted by dEsidEL on Dec-10-2008 03:17:



i'd be absolutely livid too .. just imagine some of the implications

- graduating later resulting in potentially lost wages
- being ineligible to attend graduate school in Sept. if you're in your 4th year because you can't finish on time
- students who are staying in housing having to incur additional rent
- student loans accruing interest during the time of the strike
- economic impacts to other nearby businesses who depend on students to help their bottom line
- inability to take summer school
- disrupting the flow of learning
- screwing your plans for a winter or summer vacation/holiday should classes spill over

I mean really the losers at the end are the students and not York or the union so I think there's less pressure on the 2 sides to come to an agreement since the majority of the fallout falls squarely on the students.

My brother is at York right now and I keep telling him that the Student's Union should really start looking at possible legal action, i.e. class action lawsuit if a case exists for it


Posted by Ania_xox on Dec-10-2008 03:28:

I've just taken on extra hours at work and been working full-time.
Trying to look at any possible positives (ie. extra cash, time off)

Had to cancel my cuba trip for reading week.
I can't book my flight to Poland to see my grandma with the rest of my family because I have no idea when they will schedule 2nd semester exams.
Money for residence is basically in the toilet.
If they extend into May then I will miss the first 2 weeks of my internship ... aka I lost it.
I won't complete my program in 2 years like I planned.

I love how a majority of the conflict is being put up by TA's whose grounds for striking are because they don't make enough money to live above the poverty line. I would like someone to name a job that earns enough salary to live above the poverty line working 10 hours per week.

I feel REALLY sorry for international students... at least my home is only about an hour away and I can work during the strike period.


Posted by exstasie on Dec-10-2008 03:29:

Yeah, I feel bad.

I went to York and graduated a year and a half ago from there.

There was 2 threats of strikes when I was there I believe. Both times the it went right to the strike deadline, but they were both resolved!


But yeah, i still have quite a few friends who are in there graduating year this year (attempting too) and are screwed.

It can even set a lot of people back an entire year, especially with full year-courses and those that are split into semesters (Fall Semester is course I, Winter semester is course II. But Course I isn't offered in the Winter, and you can't take course II without Course I...so you have to wait until the following year).

I would personally be pissed off.

Especially if you think of the opportunity cost of school. You lose half a semester of tuition (my friend who's at Glendon informed me they were getting a bit of a refund on the year they lost) + 1/2 year - 1 full year of income...especially if you take the present value of how much you would lose based on an annual raise every based on the salary you missed.

Even if there the Student Union decides to take legal action, you can't get that semester back.



Posted by rabbitjoker on Dec-10-2008 03:44:

One of the most socialist schools in the nation. Is anybody surprised?


Posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* on Dec-10-2008 03:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Ania_xox
I've just taken on extra hours at work and been working full-time.
Trying to look at any possible positives (ie. extra cash, time off)


When our school went on strike I definitely thought of the positives as well. My study group met regularly too and kept on with the readings, so when we finally got back we didn't have to do any readings for over a month. It gave me a chance to get a lot of thinsg done that I've been pushing off b/c of school.


Posted by 1dawoman on Dec-10-2008 03:56:

I was in first year during the last strike which lasted over 2 months...it was horrible but profs surprisingly had sympathy & helped us make our deadlines. Luckily, I ended up finishing the year on time....but I completely understand what students are going through right now...


Posted by Shade on Dec-10-2008 04:00:

I'm heading out of the country to study abroad - something I actually wanted to do for a while, this is just my excuse.
It will suck if my professors don't let me defer my courses, but I'm just going to try to make the best of the situation


...Oh and I find it very unlikely that they'll settle before they have to (i.e. before 12 weeks arives and at that point York is required to give full refunds).


Posted by jchung52 on Dec-10-2008 04:03:

good thing i didnt go there.. although international bbb and a $4500 scholarship was very appealing


Posted by Nicolas Oliver on Dec-10-2008 04:38:

I also feel bad for York U students; I'd be going crazy if I was still in school and experiencing something akin to this.


Posted by _Go_ on Dec-10-2008 04:42:

Yea it sucks for the students.
It also sucks that ttc buses no longer go anywhere in the campus as i work just on the other side of the campus. Takes me an extra 20 minutes to get to work now!

I cant wait till the strike is over.


Posted by Courtesy on Dec-10-2008 06:51:

University of Toronto may be going through this very thing in the near future


Posted by evil_cookie on Dec-10-2008 07:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Courtesy
University of Toronto may be going through this very thing in the near future


no we wont...

even if the current negotiations fail and TA's go on strike, the university will not be shutdown like York.


Posted by activate on Dec-11-2008 01:28:

quote:
Originally posted by El K Dee
when york manages to do 5 years straight without a strike, that will be the day all theories of space will be null and void



ya no shit.. what the hell is wrong with school and their staff? lol


I remember when I was taking broadcasting at Seneca @ York back in 99.. the TA's went on strike and shut the school down.. they were stopping people from entering the grounds. school was still on for me. I used to drive my car over a hill, through some trees and across a field every day to get to class. lol


Posted by FunkyCrew on Dec-11-2008 01:39:

yeah it outrages me that they don't let buses into campus - I'd get out and beat the shit out of whoever is blocking the way
stupid ******s

half of the time those TA's are absolutely fucking useless - either speak 1.5 words of English or can't help with questions at all

I just thought of what would have happened if I was still there, aka as an international students.. I think my parents would be livid! and I'm pretty sure I'd just fly home - there is no way they will have any exams in December, might as well start the Christmas holiday right now

class lawsuit is something all the students should look into very seriously!


Posted by Skipper on Dec-11-2008 01:41:

I'd be absolutely livid.
Unions that strike this long are atrocious. Actually, most unions are atrocious.


Posted by FunkyCrew on Dec-11-2008 01:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
I'd be absolutely livid.
Unions that strike this long are atrocious. Actually, most unions are atrocious.


agreed!
I honestly believe that the need in unions has died a long time ago
now they're just a nuisance

arghh I'm just so angry right now! profs are better be more then just understanding once this is over!


Posted by Skipper on Dec-11-2008 02:43:

In this case, the union does more to polarize opposite sides than it does to actually, erm, unite anything.


Posted by Special K on Dec-11-2008 05:04:

well the course that I am taking is still a go ... strike or no strike!


Posted by Dior Homme on Dec-11-2008 05:06:

I feel sorry for those peeps that go there. I got a few friends that are still there... they've been working since the strike.

I feel even worse for those international students... they must think York is fucked to continually strike.


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