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Amanda O'Brien wrote:

Can't believe 2 weeks of covering the capital murder trial of amy hebert is almost over.just waiting for the jury to decide if she gets the death penalty for stabbing her 2 kids and dog to death.

Amanda O'Brien at 1:58pm May 14 via Facebook Mobile wrote:

You know what knight ryan...she can't help it that satan told her to get the 11 knives (1 of which was electric) and stab her family so they could all go to heaven together. She was just doing what the voice told her to do...jeez



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are you in favor or against the death penalty? should it be abolished or kept? is it beneficial or detrimental for the legal system?

Before I go on, I consider myself to lean slightly left of the middle overall. But I am a firm believer in the death penalty and I believe it wholly underutilized.

I'm not opposed to torture in certain scenarios either.

In favour, providing the evidence is concrete. People need more deterrents for things and esp in the UK the justice system needs completely changing. life means life for one.

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Originally posted by Ian In favour, providing the evidence is concrete. People need more deterrents for things and esp in the UK the justice system needs completely changing. life means life for one.

I agree 100%. If you are convicted of 1st degree murder, you should be sentenced to death. And I'm not talking about sitting on death row for 25 years. You get one appeal. If you lose that appeal, you get euthanized within 48 hours.

Now for serial murderers and convicted terrorists, the government should have a public viewing of the torture and subsequent death. Sell tickets at the venue and Pay-Per-View for those at home. Instead of spending countless thousands to keep these people alive in prison, we should instead make exponentially more $ by selling it as a must-see event. The benefits greatly outweigh the negatives.

Oh, and why not use our career criminals as human guinea pigs for medical testing?

The cost of litigation during appeals in death penalty cases is often so overwhelming that the murder of a few people does not justify the burden of the case being put on the rest of the people in the state. I do not want to pay to keep defending the appeals of some idiots death sentence, I don't care how bad the victims family suffered.

It is cheaper to keep them in prison for life. In most cases if their crime is heinous enough than the prison system will sort out a just punishment via "extracurricular" activities.

I would favor it if I had substantial confidence in the accuracy of the results of criminal trials. Alas, the conclusion of a gaggle of random idiots picked off the street does not inspire such confidence. Imagine that.

the execution scene in bangkok hilton was good.

Also I question the people who demand blood for blood in criminal cases. Denying someone their freedom, keeping them locked away like an animal with no chance of escape is far more of a punishment.

In death there is freedom.

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In that regards, death for lesser crimes might be more fitting. Death for grand-theft or other crimes that are easily repeated by people, but do not justify a long prison sentence.

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Originally posted by Arbiter I would favor it if I had substantial confidence in the accuracy of the results of criminal trials. Alas, the conclusion of a gaggle of random idiots picked off the street does not inspire such confidence. Imagine that.

^ Agree completely. And if the mistaken verdict of the "gaggle of idiots" is eventually found to be erroneous, you can't "take back" the death penalty or even give the wrongly convicted person any compensation, since he's dead.

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Originally posted by Brian Scott I agree 100%. If you are convicted of 1st degree murder, you should be sentenced to death. And I'm not talking about sitting on death row for 25 years. You get one appeal. If you lose that appeal, you get euthanized within 48 hours. Now for serial murderers and convicted terrorists, the government should have a public viewing of the torture and subsequent death. Sell tickets at the venue and Pay-Per-View for those at home. Instead of spending countless thousands to keep these people alive in prison, we should instead make exponentially more $ by selling it as a must-see event. The benefits greatly outweigh the negatives. Oh, and why not use our career criminals as human guinea pigs for medical testing?

First off, that just seems immature, watching the torture of people will do nothing productive. If anything it will make people more violent.

Second, keeping the number of people who are on death row in prison for life would not increase the amount of money by any noticeable margin. In the US they are often on death row for multiple decades while the appeal process is handled. This costs millions of tax payer dollars on top of the cost of keeping that person on death row. It just doesn't make sense.

Life in prison with a minimal and strict set of appeals rules would be the most cost effective way of keeping people who are dangerous and deserving of a life of solitude and confinement while also satisfying international law and scrutiny.

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Originally posted by Brian Scott Before I go on, I consider myself to lean slightly left of the middle overall. But I am a firm believer in the death penalty and I believe it wholly underutilized. I'm not opposed to torture in certain scenarios either.

+1
For example they should cut pedopholiles' balls first and leave them in agony for a lil bit.

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Originally posted by bananas +1 For example they should cut pedopholiles' balls first and leave them in agony for a lil bit.

Acting purely on emotion is never a good way to handle anything.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Acting purely on emotion is never a good way to handle anything.

Oh, that would be a well judged act.

kill her. no use for people like that in society. i'd rather my tax dollars go towards educating & housing foster kids or something i dunno...but fuck repeat criminals and sadistic killers. burn them all and the world will be a better, safer place. and i am not acting on emotion either. it's all about being practical if you ask me lol

it's like problem, meet solution. ok let's move on

she can't help it that satan told her to get the 11 knives (1 of which was electric) and stab her family so they could all go to heaven together.

I don't think Satan would tell someone they were going to heaven...

Thats not practical in any modern system, where there is a court system and things need to be followed. Its one of the corner stones of modern peaceful and intelligent civilizations.

The things suggested in this thread border on anarchy and to some extent sadism.

The practical is not to kill them, as that demands much more from our legal system. Decades of appeals, time spent by the victims families as they have to re-live the horrors of testifying over and over again, money spent by the state on prosecution.

It is much simpler to toss them in a cell and throw away the key. Appeals are a lot less crucial in these cases, and maybe someway of tightening or restricting appeals would work much better.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Thats not practical in any modern system, where there is a court system and things need to be followed. Its one of the corner stones of modern peaceful and intelligent civilizations. The things suggested in this thread border on anarchy and to some extent sadism. The practical is not to kill them, as that demands much more from our legal system. Decades of appeals, time spent by the victims families as they have to re-live the horrors of testifying over and over again, money spent by the state on prosecution. It is much simpler to toss them in a cell and throw away the key. Appeals are a lot less crucial in these cases, and maybe someway of tightening or restricting appeals would work much better.

This is why I suggested only one appeal. Today's technology allows for science to be utilized in ways never imagined when most of the legal laws were implemented. Therefore, I have more faith in our judicial system to correctly exonerate or convict those who are on trial. Allowing the one appeal would seemingly give a convicted suspect another chance at proving his/her innocence.

The annual cost per prisoner in California is $34,000. When that prisoner reaches geriatric age, that number increases $60,000 or greater. The cost of the drugs used in a lethal injection? $86

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Originally posted by Brian Scott This is why I suggested only one appeal. Today's technology allows for science to be utilized in ways never imagined when most of the legal laws were implemented. Therefore, I have more faith in our judicial system to correctly exonerate or convict those who are on trial. Allowing the one appeal would seemingly give a convicted suspect another chance at proving his/her innocence. The annual cost per prisoner in California is $34,000. When that prisoner reaches geriatric age, that number increases $60,000 or greater. The cost of the drugs used in a lethal injection? $86

Wouldn't it be more cost effective then to execute people for a vast number more crimes?

Like I said though, adding or removing the people on death row will not affect the budget of a prison system in any noticable way.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Thats not practical in any modern system, where there is a court system and things need to be followed. Its one of the corner stones of modern peaceful and intelligent civilizations. The things suggested in this thread border on anarchy and to some extent sadism. The practical is not to kill them, as that demands much more from our legal system. Decades of appeals, time spent by the victims families as they have to re-live the horrors of testifying over and over again, money spent by the state on prosecution. It is much simpler to toss them in a cell and throw away the key. Appeals are a lot less crucial in these cases, and maybe someway of tightening or restricting appeals would work much better.

any psychiatrist will tell you that once an adult, it's very hard to make changes in the personality...especially in the ones of criminals/sadistic people.

and look i was like half serious, but only because i know it will never happen. i literally meant like take em out back and shoot them lol

life is short and no one really knows why we're here or where we go when we die...when there's people all seriously fucked up who think that satan talks to them, i'm sorry but there's no time for trying to cure people like that...they're long gone already. either keep them around for science purposes or get rid of them. it's bad genetic makeup and people like that shouldn't be able to reproduce or live in society.

/hitler lol

Money and lawers would somehow worm its way into the system and the rich would find loopholes. Its a much better idea to rehabilitate people instead of kill them. Hell for all we know maybe after death something cool happens! Are you willing to give those murderers that chance!

half of TA says "OMG NO DEATH PENALTY"

the other half of TA says "OMG YES DEATH PENALTY"

*Argue back and forth who is right and who is wrong*

/thread.

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Originally posted by Banora she can't help it that satan told her to get the 11 knives (1 of which was electric) and stab her family so they could all go to heaven together. I don't think Satan would tell someone they were going to heaven...

+1

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Originally posted by Banora she can't help it that satan told her to get the 11 knives (1 of which was electric) and stab her family so they could all go to heaven together. I don't think Satan would tell someone they were going to heaven...

Sure he would, so that he could make them think that they were going to heaven for doing some action that would actually send them to hell. Because Satan wants to drag people down with him.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Sure he would, so that he could make them think that they were going to heaven for doing some action that would actually send them to hell. Because Satan wants to drag people down with him.

True, but you'd have to be an idiot to believe anything Satan says

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