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Posted by cmay119 on May-24-2009 02:56:

Read This! Hurray! Saturday night Math question?! Girlfriend...

Alright, I'm hoping some of you guys can explain this out to me in lehman's terms, because I can't for the life of me wrap my head around it.

Here we go:

0^0 = 1 How can this be?

Zero to the power of Zero = One?

I just used my calculator for it to confirm on this, and it comes up with the answer of 1, but I don't get how this is an excepted answer.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I understand (fairly well) why other numbers to the power of 0 = 1, but not 0 itself.


Posted by Joss Weatherby on May-24-2009 02:58:

http://www.google.com/search?client...=utf-8&oe=utf-8


woah.


Posted by cmay119 on May-24-2009 02:58:

*brains*


Posted by Joss Weatherby on May-24-2009 03:00:

Its a hack basically...

http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.0.to.0.power.html

I like math sorta, too bad I suck at it.


Posted by idoru on May-24-2009 03:01:

quote:
This fact is based on the laws of indices:

1) (x^a)(x ^b) = x^(a+b)
2) (x^a) / (x ^b) = x^(a-b)
3) (x^a)^b = (x^b)^a = x^(ab)

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Consider x^n / x^n where n is a non-zero integer.

Using the second law of indices, x^n / x^n = x^(n-n) = x^0

However, we also know that anything divided by itself is equal to 1 (ignoring 0).

Therefore x^n / x^n = 1

Putting these two answers together:

1 = x^n / x^n = x^(n-n) = x^0

Therefore x^0 = 1.

[x=0 is a curious case and is undefined]

Hope that clears things up


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...09133746AAuXWPt


Posted by cmay119 on May-24-2009 03:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Its a hack basically...

http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.0.to.0.power.html

I like math sorta, too bad I suck at it.


I'm also in the 'I suck at math' group.


Posted by Zombie0729 on May-24-2009 03:04:

anything to the zero power is 1


Posted by Armitage on May-24-2009 03:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Zombie0729
anything to the zero power is 1


but zero to the power of anything is zero! stupid math.

3^0 = 1
2^0 = 1
1^0 = 1
0^0 = ?
0^1 = 0
0^2 = 0
0^3 = 0


Posted by cmay119 on May-24-2009 03:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Zombie0729
anything to the zero power is 1


That makes sense when the value you're putting to the power of 0 actually is a value. 0 has no value. So what you're saying is, I have zero apples and I take my zero apples and power the amount of apples I have by 0. Suddenly 1 appears out of thin air?

Sorry, I can't except that as a logical answer.


Posted by cmay119 on May-24-2009 03:17:

quote:
Originally posted by idoru
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...09133746AAuXWPt


Sorry, didn't see this right away, Idoru. So the value is undefined? Not 0? So my calculator is wrong?


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on May-24-2009 03:23:

Re: Hurray! Saturday night Math question?! Girlfriend...

quote:
Originally posted by cmay119
lehman's terms


i dont think your problem is with math.


Posted by cmay119 on May-24-2009 03:26:

Re: Re: Hurray! Saturday night Math question?! Girlfriend...

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i dont think your problem is with math.



Posted by Joss Weatherby on May-24-2009 03:45:

quote:
Originally posted by cmay119
That makes sense when the value you're putting to the power of 0 actually is a value. 0 has no value. So what you're saying is, I have zero apples and I take my zero apples and power the amount of apples I have by 0. Suddenly 1 appears out of thin air?

Sorry, I can't except that as a logical answer.


Its 1 due to the laws of indice, it has no place in terms of real powers... I mean when could you ever power an apple by another apple anyways?

You have to think of this on a graph.


Posted by Rose on May-24-2009 03:48:

Math


Posted by cmay119 on May-24-2009 03:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Its 1 due to the laws of indice, it has no place in terms of real powers... I mean when could you ever power an apple by another apple anyways?

You have to think of this on a graph.



Fair point. I guess I'm just thinking of 0 as being the representation of nothingness in terms of real world value. So that's probably why I'm having a nose bleed trying to wrap my head around this, lol.


quote:
... I mean when could you ever power an apple by another apple anyways?


This part right here is sig worthy .


Posted by Krypton on May-24-2009 03:59:

So something really can come from nothing?


Posted by cmay119 on May-24-2009 04:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
So something really can come from nothing?


According to quite a few sources. Though others say this isn't the case... I'm leaning towards the nay-sayers myself.


Posted by kadomony on May-24-2009 04:08:


Posted by yukii on May-24-2009 04:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
So something really can come from nothing?


fuck.
he stole what i was gona write.


Posted by Krypton on May-24-2009 04:14:

quote:
Originally posted by kadomony



Posted by skot_e on May-24-2009 09:19:

quote:
Originally posted by cmay119
I have zero apples and I take my zero apples and power the amount of apples I have by 0. Suddenly 1 appears out of thin air?


It worked for Jesus with fish...


Posted by ziptnf on May-24-2009 22:44:

What an interesting subject. The link that Joss posted is great, it looks at it from a calculus perspective, testing limits of trig functions that approach zero and find out if they're both zero, what happens. Math is crazy shit, I averaged B's all semester in linear algebra, it's kinda cool how you can solve Differential Equations just by throwing it into a matrix and doing some row operations and simple algebra to solve it.


Posted by ziptnf on May-24-2009 23:49:

Btw, this dude's tattoo rules.


Posted by Joss Weatherby on May-25-2009 00:04:

quote:
Originally posted by ziptnf
What an interesting subject. The link that Joss posted is great, it looks at it from a calculus perspective, testing limits of trig functions that approach zero and find out if they're both zero, what happens. Math is crazy shit, I averaged B's all semester in linear algebra, it's kinda cool how you can solve Differential Equations just by throwing it into a matrix and doing some row operations and simple algebra to solve it.



I should really learn math... I failed it all through high school. Then again you'd fail it too if the normal level math classes involved chapter long story problems about the Oregon Trail and you learned more history than math...


Posted by ziptnf on May-25-2009 00:06:

Yeah, dude, I suck at history, I'm much more logical. I'm good at things like Logic Design, Digital Electronics, and most programming classes.


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