Warmduscher, Kai Tracid, Umek ----> Question

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Posted by tiesto14 on Jun-21-2002 20:35:

Warmduscher, Kai Tracid, Umek ----> Question

are Warmduscher, Kai Tracid, Umek considered TECHNO, HARD STYLE or HARD TRANCE?????

Posted by Asperge on Jun-21-2002 20:37:

umek is techno the others are hardstyle

Posted by tiesto14 on Jun-21-2002 20:52:

quote:
Originally posted by kreischer2000
umek is techno the others are hardstyle

ok thanks...whats the difference between Hard Style and Hard Trance?

Posted by Asperge on Jun-21-2002 21:00:

well kai tracid can play some hardtrance as well

hardtrance: nu-nrg, svenson&gielen
hardstyle: pavo, dana, technoboy, warmduscher
techno: liebing, clarke

Posted by Asperge on Jun-21-2002 21:01:

well kai tracid can play some hardtrance as well

hardtrance: nu-nrg, svenson&gielen,dumonde, cosmic gate
hardstyle: pavo, dana, technoboy, warmduscher
techno: liebing, clarke

Posted by Biohazard on Jun-21-2002 21:04:

quote:
Originally posted by tiesto14

ok thanks...whats the difference between Hard Style and Hard Trance?

Hard trance is hard but still maintains all of the uplifting trancey elements, hardstyle is much harder, faster and often 'darker'. The emphasis isn't placed on the synths and melody.

The stuff Kai Tracid & Warmdusher play is a mixture of hardtrance & Hardstyle

Umek is full out techno

Posted by tiesto14 on Jun-21-2002 21:04:

ok now that u added Cosmic Gate..i think i understand now.....thanks Krei

Posted by Biohazard on Jun-21-2002 21:08:

Gielen isn't hardtrance, he just plays it because its said to be "cool" here in holland

Posted by Hi-Voltage on Jun-21-2002 23:37:

quote:
Originally posted by kreischer2000
well kai tracid can play some hardtrance as well

hardtrance: nu-nrg, svenson&gielen,dumonde, cosmic gate
hardstyle: pavo, dana, technoboy, warmduscher
techno: liebing, clarke

I think Cosmic Gate play progressive techno more often than hardtrance>>listen hardcore
but thruth,back to earth,melt to the ocean are hardtrance u're right

Posted by Noisician on Jun-22-2002 00:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Hi-Voltage
I think Cosmic Gate play progressive techno more often than hardtrance>>listen hardcore

1. Progressive techno doesn't exist
2. None of Cosmic Gate's tracks are techno
3. Umek is 100% techno

Posted by Tranz on Jun-22-2002 01:25:

Re: Warmduscher, Kai Tracid, Umek ----> Question

quote:
Originally posted by tiesto14
are Warmduscher, Kai Tracid, Umek considered TECHNO, HARD STYLE or HARD TRANCE?????

Kai Tracid = Warmduscher

Posted by tiesto14 on Jun-22-2002 03:32:

Re: Re: Warmduscher, Kai Tracid, Umek ----> Question

quote:
Originally posted by Tranzlucent

Kai Tracid = Warmduscher

alot of people say that but it is NOT true....

Posted by Seventh City on Jun-22-2002 04:04:

hard trance

Posted by El Mariachi on Jun-22-2002 04:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Seventh City
hard trance

ha ha ha

Posted by Hi-Voltage on Jun-22-2002 13:05:

quote:
Originally posted by USSR Junkie

1. Progressive techno doesn't exist
2. None of Cosmic Gate's tracks are techno
3. Umek is 100% techno

then how do you call cosmic gate's harcore track?

Posted by Sand Leaper on Jun-22-2002 13:28:

Pointless discussion.Everyone will have a different view on an artist's music than the other.So quit arguing.

As for Warmduscher,it is a duo,consisting of Thilo Markwort + Kai MacDonald aka Kai Tracid.

Posted by Noisician on Jun-22-2002 13:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Hi-Voltage

then how do you call cosmic gate's harcore track?

listen to its bass and structure, u'll never find a techno track with such a bass. it's unacceptable for techno. i don't know why but when many people hear a steady bass that doesn't go anywhere they automatically think that track is techno. but it's not! techno in general is not characterized by its bass. a hard bass is not what makes it techno. call it hard trance or hardstyle, i don't care... but one think i know for sure 'hardcore' by cosmic gate has nothing to do with techno

Posted by YuVaL on Jun-22-2002 14:42:

WTF??!!?

Svenson & Gielen are NOT hard trance!!!!!
where da hell did u get that idea from??!?!?

Posted by Biohazard on Jun-22-2002 14:58:

Re: Re: Re: Warmduscher, Kai Tracid, Umek ----> Question

quote:
Originally posted by tiesto14

alot of people say that but it is NOT true....

yes it is..

Warmdusher as a producer is kai tracid with some other guy, as a DJ its just that other guy

Posted by Tak on Jun-22-2002 15:00:

Hey guys, why do you always have to go and ruin good song by trying to class them into a genre. The whole idea of a good song is that it breaks a genre, it new, different to anything before it.

To help settle your argument but:

Cosmic Gate = hard trance (Loud, strong bass, good melodies)

Kai Tracid = hard [insert styles here, commonly used: trance/techno/house/dance]

Posted by T_2199 on Jun-22-2002 15:28:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Warmduscher, Kai Tracid, Umek ----> Question

quote:
Originally posted by Biohazard

yes it is..

Warmdusher as a producer is kai tracid with some other guy, as a DJ its just that other guy

other guy = Thilo Markwort

[ source = www.warmduscher.info ]

warmduscher has also a radio show on sunshinelive [www.sunshinelive.de]

Posted by Noisician on Jun-22-2002 16:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Tak

Kai Tracid = hard [insert styles here, commonly used: trance/techno/house/dance]

u can delete techno from your list - kai tracid is as far from techno as vengaboys from trance

Posted by Eugene on Jun-22-2002 16:33:

I always thought Kai Tracid was Acid-Trance...

Posted by Noisician on Jun-22-2002 18:40:

Trance? Yes
Acid Trance? Occasionally and definitely not at its best <-- that's if u were only talking about K. McDonald as Kai Tracid alone (A*S*Y*S is a completely different case)

Posted by evil_bastard on Jun-22-2002 20:39:

Is hardstyle a Dutch word? I've never heard it here.

I think Acid Trance is the best way to define Kai Tracid, even if it's not totally accurate, as it's more a combination with hard trance. His music has plenty of 303's for a trance track, but also has the bass that you get with hard trance.

A lot of people seem to call all sorts of music techno. I saw on a TV Chart music programme today someone describe Scooter as techno! Fucking hell!

For a while I didn't actually know what techno was, but if you download some stuff from Dave the Drummer, Chris Liebing, Umek, Ben Sims, Christian Valera, and so on, you will definitely see a big difference between this and any type of trance.

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