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Posted by Ry Thomas on Jul-23-2009 08:54:

I'm thinking of doing the unthinkable . . . .

. . . . I'm thinking of getting rid of all my hardware and working ITB with a nice fast pc. Dont get me wrong i love having my gear, but i get sidetracked too easily delving into it all and become LESS productive.

Ive made 2 tracks(almost complete), in FL in about 2 weeks working ITB.

If i decide to sell i'll give you guys first dibs before i list on Ebay.

Posted by Kismet7 on Jul-23-2009 09:03:

I dont get how you can get sidetracked by hardware...if anything its easier and faster to get good sounds out of hardware, I bet the abundance of software and their parameters sidetracks people far more.

That said...be ready to accept a sound quality downgrade by going all ITB from a Hardware setup...I would not do it for the reason you stated.

Posted by Waza on Jul-23-2009 10:39:

yeah i'm with kismet on this one. I had very nice hardware about 15 years ago sold it all and now regret selling it. Now all the hardware i own is a yamaha sy85, Novation Super bass station a roland mc303 which sucks apart from the drums. and a mackie mixer.

I really need to get back to buying hardware again.

i do miss tweaking those knobs.....

After a while you might think dam i wish i still had my hardware.

Posted by DjStephenWiley on Jul-23-2009 11:00:

Sell it all and get a badass controller (I'd recommend novation)

Posted by sixofour.604 on Jul-23-2009 11:50:

Sell it, use the money to buy awesome monitors/pc/acoustic treatment. Maby take a few courses in music theory. Or sound engineering. If you get engineering, hardware/software it won't make a fucking difference, you can get the same sounds because you actually have the skills.

The people who say hardware sounds different from software are the same people who say they can tell the difference between a 450kbps mp3 and a 44/16 wav file.

Btw, do you have a 303 in there anywheres? :P

Posted by Ry Thomas on Jul-23-2009 11:59:

quote:
Originally posted by sixofour.604
Sell it, use the money to buy awesome monitors/pc/acoustic treatment. Maby take a few courses in music theory. Or sound engineering. If you get engineering, hardware/software it won't make a fucking difference, you can get the same sounds because you actually have the skills.

The people who say hardware sounds different from software are the same people who say they can tell the difference between a 450kbps mp3 and a 44/16 wav file.

Btw, do you have a 303 in there anywheres? :P

Yeah think im gonna get some Event Opals and a 3 screen setup mate.

I don't have a 303 sorry

Posted by Eric J on Jul-23-2009 14:01:

I did it, and I'm not regretting it. I work so much faster, and for me the difference in quality is negligible. Total recall is a big plus. That being said, I have toyed with the idea of picking up maybe a Moog Voyager or LP just as a supplement. If I am going to pick up hardware at this point, its going to be vintage or modern analogue (Moog, SE, etc.).

I sunk all my money into my monitors, computer and converters.

Posted by Ry Thomas on Jul-23-2009 14:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Eric J

I sunk all my money into my monitors, computer and converters.

Thats what i'll be doing mate, been working so much faster ITB its unreal

Posted by Ry Thomas on Jul-23-2009 14:07:

- Furman PL-PLUS E II Power Conditioner,
- Tannoy Precision 6D Active Monitors,
- Tannoy TS10 Subwoofer,
- 2 x MOTU 2408 mk3 Interface,
- M-Audio 8x8 Midisport Midi Interface,
- 2 x Lexicon MPX-550 Reverb Units,
- Lexicon MPX-500 Reverb Unit,
- Alesis Midiverb 4 FX Unit,
- Akai MFC42 Analogue Filter,
- TL Audio Fat 1 Stereo Valve Compressor,
- Mackie d8b Digital Mixing Console
- Access Virus TI,
- Clavia Nord Lead 2,

Here's the list if anyone may be interested, pm for details

Posted by Zak McKracken on Jul-23-2009 18:49:

ITB is that like in the computer? software? I couldnt work with hardware myself so i totaly get u. And im much happier now. Good call. after i got rid of my hardware ive been more productive.

Posted by orTof�nChiLd on Jul-23-2009 18:57:

Save the TI

Posted by Zak McKracken on Jul-23-2009 18:59:

Virtual Analog is so 90s anyway, get a bad ass sampler.
Let me know if u find any, I have not.

Posted by Ry Thomas on Jul-23-2009 19:01:

quote:
Originally posted by palm
ITB is that like in the computer? software? I couldnt work with hardware myself so i totaly get u. And im much happier now. Good call. after i got rid of my hardware ive been more productive.

Yeah 'in the box' i think is the term they use now, i was totally digitally setup albeit very hardware

Posted by mfitterer1 on Jul-23-2009 21:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Kismet7
I dont get how you can get sidetracked by hardware...if anything its easier and faster to get good sounds out of hardware, I bet the abundance of software and their parameters sidetracks people far more.

That said...be ready to accept a sound quality downgrade by going all ITB from a Hardware setup...I would not do it for the reason you stated.

LOL still not learning...

Posted by mfitterer1 on Jul-23-2009 21:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Eric J
I did it, and I'm not regretting it. I work so much faster, and for me the difference in quality is negligible. Total recall is a big plus. That being said, I have toyed with the idea of picking up maybe a Moog Voyager or LP just as a supplement. If I am going to pick up hardware at this point, its going to be vintage or modern analogue (Moog, SE, etc.).

I sunk all my money into my monitors, computer and converters.

Smart man.

Posted by Jason_R on Jul-23-2009 22:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Eric J

I sunk all my money into my monitors, computer and converters.

This is good advice. I've had to sell all my hardware following unemployment after a car accident and to be honest I'm not really missing it at all (Access Virus C / Novation K Station / JP8080).

The only thing I wished I could have kept are my monitors but that goes without saying really. Still headphones will do for now.

Posted by Beatflux on Jul-23-2009 22:42:

Re: I'm thinking of doing the unthinkable . . . .

quote:
Originally posted by Ry Thomas
Re: I'm thinking of doing the unthinkable . . . .

You should have said, "...produce a song in irregular meter."

This thread fails in that regard.

Posted by alanzo on Jul-23-2009 22:44:

I'm assuming that most of the issue is in physical synthesizers and effects/processors. Personally, I don't use any physical effects/processors and doubt I ever will. UAD sounds great to me and I kinda get the feeling that they're a lot easier to emulate than synthesizers, so that is comforting enough to stay software.

But for physical instruments, I used to hate using them until I figured out how to CORRECTLY use them. By using your DAW to compensate in the MIDI track for latency. Once I figured that out, every synth I had became like a physical VSTi. It's awesome!

I don't use any software instruments (as of today), but if you do go that route, I'd say 1st: BUY THE SOFTWARE. It's not only to support the company, but if you actually buy the software, you'll be a lot more likely to actually use it, abuse it, learn it, and won't be overwhelmed with all the (free/warez/cracked) VSTis you can get your hands on.

Second, all the physical instruments you have now suck balls, so sell them. But you still need at least one real instruments because software just doesn't cut it if you want any sort of edgy (out of the box) sound. If I was forced to have only a single instrument, it would be the Nord Lead 3. So I say either get one of those, or if you just want to make some really phat basses, get a Voyager. Use your one instrument and your VSTis to back it up. Nice and simple.

Posted by Beyer on Jul-23-2009 22:45:

I�m with on that one mate. I only have one hardware synth, but still I get sidetracked
so easily. It�s just been a glorified midi controller for a while now
Though I have to say, I won�t be selling it, because it�s just so much fun making sounds
with it.
But I usually end up jamming around with nothing to show for in the end. Software is
the only way for me to go.

Posted by Subtle on Jul-24-2009 01:23:

quote:
Originally posted by alanzo
But for physical instruments, I used to hate using them until I figured out how to CORRECTLY use them. By using your DAW to compensate in the MIDI track for latency. Once I figured that out, every synth I had became like a physical VSTi. It's awesome!
Hmm.. i use Cubase and have not a single time experience any sort of MIDI latency during recording or playback of external synths.

Posted by alanzo on Jul-24-2009 01:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Subtle
Hmm.. i use Cubase and have not a single time experience any sort of MIDI latency during recording or playback of external synths.

I route them in directly as "external instruments".

Posted by Subtle on Jul-24-2009 01:34:

quote:
Originally posted by alanzo
I route them in directly as "external instruments".
Oh ok.. then i understand

Posted by Beautiful Beast on Jul-24-2009 07:44:

Do it. I went PC based a while back and I have no regrets. Invest in decent monitors and keep the number of vsti's/fx limited: learn them inside out. Or else you risk getting swamped in the zillion possibilities.

Only thing I regret in switching is losing my 303

BB

Posted by music2dance2 on Jul-24-2009 12:58:

Its all down to what works for you. If your tracks come out how you want them to be, whatever you use, then who's to argue?

Posted by flutlicht junky on Jul-25-2009 15:27:

What synths are you using that caused you to make this decision?

I'm really hoping that the D:CAM set will be an essential buy when it comes out.

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