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ATB. Facts about the Planetlove festival and Paul Van Dyk...
Saturday, September 05, 2009
Facts about the Planetlove festival and Paul Van Dyk...
You won..t believe what you will read now.
I..m just back in my hotelroom (05.09.2009, 10:30 PM), but actually I should be on stage at the Planet Love Festival in Belfast now.
The reality is, that the organizers just told me and my manager one our ago at the festival, that Paul van Dyk told them, that when I play (my contracted playtime was 10-12 PM) my set right before his set 12-2 AM, he will not play! So the organizers decided to throw me out of the lineup!
I just want to let you know, how people in this scene and business works and of course this will have consequences to all concerned parties!
I..m so sorry for all the fans out there, who wasn't able to see me.
Andre
More information about this night coming soon!
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Sunday, September 06, 2009
Planetlove update...
Hi @ all,
as I see in some forums the organizers now try to tell the people that I refused the gig. Thats very funny and I..m very happy to have two witnesses that the organizers told me that I..m not allowed to play in front of Paul van Dyk.
They tried to give me a settime from 8:30 till 10 because they supposedly had trouble with some late DJ..s! But I was not able to play at this time because I just arrived in the hotel!
As we asked at 9:30 for a transportation to the Venue a guy from the organization told us, we don..t have to go to the venue because my show is cancelled. The reason: I did not took the playtime 8:30 - 10! This was a shock!
Anyway, we decided to go to the venue and talk with the organizers personally.
I TOLD THE ORGANIZERS, THAT EVEN IF THERE HAVE TROUBLE WITH THE SET TIMES I..M OPEN TO PLAY A SHORTER SET FROM 11-12! THATS ONE HOUR LESS! BUT THEY TOLD ME, THAT THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO GIVE ME THIS SET TIME; BECAUSE OF PAUL WOULD CANCEL HIS SHOW THEN!
But one thing in the organizers statement is right! I was not in a very good mood... and I think everybody can understand that.
Of course the organizers never would tell the truth about having no balls to tell Paul van Dyk that they are the organizers of this event... not Paul van Dyk.
Since 10 years I have the same question! What is Paul van Dyk..s problem with my person?
Andre
Here is the organizers Statement what is a big lie!
ATB refuses to play Planetlove
It is with regret that I have to pen one of the worst unprofessional incidents we have encountered in almost 25 years of booking artists.
At 7pm on Saturday evening we respectfully asked ATB to help us with the smooth running of the show by playing his set at the festival from approximately 9pm to 11pm instead of his requested time of 10pm to 12midnight and he point blankly refused.
Instead he arrived at the site and chose to verbally abuse and threaten Judith, so much so that he had to be asked to calm down by his manager and security called as Judith feared that things would escalate further.
The facts are very simple. ATB chose not to play at all to the same crowd, in the same arena for the same two hour set rather than play one hour earlier!
I ask any rational person to try and relate to this.
He was paid in full, in advance, as where his flights and transport. He was treated with courtesy and respect but rather than play one hour earlier than he wanted to he hurled abuse, issued threats, wouldn�t play the new time and proceeded to blame PVD and was so convinced from the outset that it was PVD's doing that he even tried to coerce Judith into writing down that it was PVD�s fault. Paul Van Dyk did not even arrive at the venue until 11:45pm.
Never before has an artist refused to help with the smooth running of our shows and try and dictate what they should do. At the end of the day this show was about all artists and the people who went to enjoy them, not about one individual.
My thanks to the other artists, in particular Judge Jules, who did adapt to the time changes which facilitated the production crews the time to change over the defective generator during his set which was causing the problem in the first place. It is my belief that because of Jules help in the set time before 12 midnight that the change over was done in such a professional manner that I believe the crowd were not even aware that there was a problem. So simple when people work together ....
i heard these 2 were not getting along.
Think that's documented. ATB even mentioned why has PvD had issues with him the last 10 years.
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Copy-pasted from the thread on this in MD...
Planet Love Respond to ATB's 2nd statement:
Unfortunately ATB wants to try and defend his actions by blaming others and on public forums.
I will answer this for the final time in public. We are exonerated as far as I'm concerned and his mistruths are exposed. We have witness, upon witness, written records from flights, arrivals, hotel times and on and on so I'm in no fear of contradiction as I can back up everything.
See responses below!
Planetlove update...
Hi @ all,
as I see in some forums the organizers now try to tell the people that I refused the gig. Thats very funny and I..m very happy to have two witnesses that the organizers told me that I..m not allowed to play in front of Paul van Dyk.
Yes, he was asked to let Judge Jules play between him and PVD and was asked to play one hour early this is true
They tried to give me a settime from 8:30 till 10 because they supposedly had trouble with some late DJ..s! But I was not able to play at this time because I just arrived in the hotel!
Nonsense! He was asked to play his full 2 hour set from 8.45 to 10.45 (approx 9 to 11) to help us out. He was in his hotel from 3.30pm that afternoon of which we have proof, documented. Around 7pm when the problems arose, he was politely asked by artiste liaison at the hotel to play one hour early to which he point blankly refused stating it was 10pm to 12am or not at all. He then refused to leave the hotel unless we gave him the 10pm to 12am set. We had therefore no choice but try and put replacements in his place as he refused to move his time or leave the hotel. I personally contacted Judge Jules manager at 7.10pm and explained the situation, which he and the phone records will confirm, and he said Jules would be very happy to help us out.
As we asked at 9:30 for a transportation to the Venue a guy from the organization told us, we don..t have to go to the venue because my show is cancelled. The reason: I did not took the playtime 8:30 - 10! This was a shock!
Following us not backing down on the time change they then decided to get our people to bring them to the venue anyway. They arrived at the venue at 8.30pm, not 9.30pm as he states, (Perhaps this is a genuine error on his part as his watch was maybe still on German time, 1 hour ahead) but still well in time to perform at 8:45 or 9pm for a full 2 hours but instead of helping us he proceeded to hurl abuse and intimidate Judith..)
Anyway, we decided to go to the venue and talk with the organizers personally.
I TOLD THE ORGANIZERS, THAT EVEN IF THERE HAVE TROUBLE WITH THE SET TIMES I..M OPEN TO PLAY A SHORTER SET FROM 11-12! THATS ONE HOUR LESS! BUT THEY TOLD ME, THAT THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO GIVE ME THIS SET TIME; BECAUSE OF PAUL WOULD CANCEL HIS SHOW THEN!
There was no question of cutting his two hour set, the request was simple, allow Judge Jules to play between his 2 hours and PVD's 2 hours. If we had not corrected the problem which Jules agreed to help with then Paul van Dyk would not have been able to perform anyway as we would have had no show. I know of no REAL reason or can not find any reason why on earth he wouldn't play one hour earlier. What was the problem? Same crowd, same arena, same 2 hour set why would he not help us with our show?
But one thing in the organizers statement is right! I was not in a very good mood... and I think everybody can understand that.
Everybody understand??????? Is he serious??? How about No! No, absolutely not. No one but no one should intimidate, frighten and verbally abuse anyone, let alone 3 males against one female. Absolutely and utterly unacceptable, disgraceful and obviously shows the character of the individual/s involved. This was my wife and I personally will not tolerate such behaviour against any of my staff least of all my wife. I think he is a disgrace to his profession for these acts alone. If I repeated what language and names he called Judith it would paint a very clear picture of him for all to see.
Of course the organizers never would tell the truth about having no balls to tell Paul van Dyk that they are the organizers of this event... not Paul van Dyk.
This statement is total hypocrisy. Yes, we are the organisers of the event and our requests should be politely accepted and ATB refused our requests to play one hour early. By its very nature ATB is guilty of the act that he has just accused Paul van Dyk of in the above statement
Since 10 years I have the same question! What is Paul van Dyk..s problem with my person?
After reading all these twisted excuses, it is now my total understanding and personal belief that contained within the above 2 statements by ATB is the real motivation behind his actions as to why he created this storm and refused to play Planetlove.
WOW 
I didn't know there was that much bad blood
The promoters still didn't answer the question. Why was ATB asked to perform earlier and let Judge Jules play between him and PVD? So it does seem like PVD did asked to have ATB moved.
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| Originally posted by Maizie In addition..... (Taken from planetlove forum) Production needed to perform a double generator change over due to a faulty unit which would eventually knock out the LEDs if not corrected. They spoke with Judge Jules and asked for his help to allow them to do this without causing any prolonged breaks in the show and upseting the crowd. Jules kindly agreed to help in whatever way he could. As ATB was playing for two hours and Jules just over one hour this was the only time it could be done and needed to be done before the final set which was PVD's. The timing of this and what Jules would do to entertain the crowd whilst the two change overs took place was planned in advance, it would not have affected either ATB or PVD and all ATB had to do was just play one little hour earlier. I'm sorry if you are one of his fans but I can not for the life of me understand why anyone would refuse to play at all rather than play one hour earlier. |
whats the original story between pvd and atb?
didnt they have a public war of words about 5 years ago?can anyone dig up that story?
Think the feud has been going on lnoger than that...ATB said 10 years?
This all said, I do think PvD called out ATB calling him and his music cheese and all that in some magazine article a long time ago. Maybe five years ago. I forget. Sure someone mentioned where in the main thread on this in Music Discussion.
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| Originally posted by DaveT PvD called out ATB calling him and his music cheese |
If this is a problem fans in this country are well aware of, how did the agents and promoters in those countries not prevent this in the long run?
In my experience the timeslots have to be agreed upon far in advance so I'm assuming someone or more had to have known this was possibly going to happen. In relation the artist and agent are always curious to know who's playing prior and after.
Looking at this campaign this appears to be a very well organized production obviously working with long time industry people.
I just don't understand how this problem developed the day of the event. Both agencies had to have known both PVD and ATB were playing at the same event in the same arena. I'm surprised this problem didn't happen sooner, so by the time the event comes everything is resolved.
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| Originally posted by Alain If this is a problem fans in this country are well aware of, how did the agents and promoters in those countries not prevent this in the long run? In my experience the timeslots have to be agreed upon far in advance so I'm assuming someone or more had to have known this was possibly going to happen. In relation the artist and agent are always curious to know who's playing prior and after. Looking at this campaign this appears to be a very well organized production obviously working with long time industry people. I just don't understand how this problem developed the day of the event. Both agencies had to have known both PVD and ATB were playing at the same event in the same arena. I'm surprised this problem didn't happen sooner, so by the time the event comes everything is resolved. |
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| Originally posted by Alain If this is a problem fans in this country are well aware of, how did the agents and promoters in those countries not prevent this in the long run? In my experience the timeslots have to be agreed upon far in advance so I'm assuming someone or more had to have known this was possibly going to happen. In relation the artist and agent are always curious to know who's playing prior and after. Looking at this campaign this appears to be a very well organized production obviously working with long time industry people. I just don't understand how this problem developed the day of the event. Both agencies had to have known both PVD and ATB were playing at the same event in the same arena. I'm surprised this problem didn't happen sooner, so by the time the event comes everything is resolved. |
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| Originally posted by DaveT Alain, well the promoter says they had to replace two genereators and ask Judge Jules to help out...to entertain the crowd?....so the change could be done. I guess ATB couldn't entertain the crowd or something? Not sure. That said, every once in awhile you see stuff like this happenin Europe. And from what I can tell, European agencies and groups are far more laxed going into events like this. I only hear about the absurd amount of politics with timeslots and all that stuff in the US. |
Interesting! Here is the official statement from the atb management:
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Dear friends of the electronic dance music,
My name is Werner Griese, I am the owner and director of the management, booking and event agency Dancefield.
For over 8 years, Dancefield has been a solid and reliable member of the electronic music scene, representing a variety of artists like for example Dr. Motte, Felix Kr�cher, Lucca, Mauro Picotto and ATB.
Each weekend, with our worldwide partners, established through high quality, honest and trustworthy work, we schedule artists all over the globe. Furthermore, we have a long-established and trusty partnership with the Love Parade, Nature One, Mayday and the Alpha Festival.
Until today, I had the utmost faith in this electronic scene and especially in the people working within this scene. But sadly, last weekend I had to realize that there are black sheep in this scene who put their money aims above quality and foremost above your rights and wishes to have the promised party with the scheduled and booked artists.
As you all know, this weekend at the Planet Love Festival our artist ATB was scheduled to play a two hour set for you, other artists at the festival were Judge Jules, Marco V, Fedde le Grand and Paul van Dyk. For this performance, a booking contract was made between ATB and Planet Love Festival via Dancefield, in which ATB was contracted to be presented by the festival as the 2nd Headliner. Among other things, this contract specified a fixed time slot for ATB�s 2 hour performance from 22.00 hours - 00.00 hours. ATB was the only artist besides Paul van Dyk to be contracted with a 2 hour performance time.
Surprisingly, this Saturday evening (5th September 2009) I was called at our hotel by the festival shuttle services. I was asked by shuttle services if we could play at another time slot as there were delayed flights of some DJs who consequently wouldn�t make it on time to the festival. Generally, I have absolute understanding for situations like this and I always try to help, but it simply would not have been possible for us to make the proposed 20.45 � 22.00 time slot, as we were still at the hotel. Besides, it was not the contracted 2 hour performance time. And last but not least, I don�t know why the Planet Love promoter didn�t call me himself, he has my mobile number!
What is more, in my 15 years of working as a stage manager at the largest festivals and events in Germany, I have never encountered the situation that a headliner was moved from his contracted time slot to a shorter and earlier performance time. Arriving on the festival site, we tried to talk to the promoters to discuss and clarify the situation and to find a solution. But during the various talks, it became clear that in the run-up to the event the organisers were informed by Paul van Dyk that ATB was not to play directly before him, otherwise he threatened the organizers that he wouldn�t perform at the festival.
I was told this straight to my face and in front of many witnesses, and I have to say I am more than shocked by this!
The organizers told us that they have no possibility of changing this situation and they were very sorry about this. My question as to whether this was common practice and a basic example of how their organisation works, letting certain DJs decide who is to be contracted for the line-up and when they are to perform, was shamefully ignored and not answered.
In the end, the issue was not about changing artists in the line-up due to problems like delayed flights or other problems, but it was only about Paul van Dyk not wanting ATB to perform directly before him until 00.00 hours, because Paul van Dyk did not want this.
But now the promoters have started spreading wrong and false facts which I will not discuss in detail here. Such behaviour can not be tolerated and certainly will not be tolerated by me, as it throws an unfair light onto my artist who is innocently dragged through the dirt.
Sadly, Planet Love did not and still does not have the courage to stand up against someone who tries to dictate to them how to do their job. They are still continuing this behaviour after the event, which saddens me deeply.
Also, I do not understand why it is impossible for Paul van Dyk to have ATB play directly before him. Up to this very day, nobody can explain this to me. Such behaviour in our scene is absolutely intolerable, especially for you, the fans, the lovers of the music, who have paid to party and can expect to be treated respectfully.
Surely, everyone can understand that such a situation is simply not tolerable for us. Although the behaviour of the organizers and promoters put us into a state of shock, we did offer to play from 23.00 � 00.00 hours. But this offer was also refused by them due to the instructions given to them by Paul van Dyk.
You can be assured that this decision of not performing was not easy for us at all, and I feel very sorry for all the fans. Everyone who knows me and ATB is well aware that we always do everything to make a gig possible, but in this case even with our willingness to help and our offers to solve the situation, it was just not possible.
Finally, I want to make clear that at no time during the discussions were there securities present or in the vicinity or even necessary, and that at no time were threats issued by ATB or myself towards the organisers/promoters or their staff.
We want to clearly dissociate ourselves from the allegations made by the promoters/organizers of the Plant Love Festival at this time.
This event will leave a black spot in our memories, because in the end the people who got really hurt are you, the fans. And that surely is something we never ever want to happen!
Yours faithfully
Werner Griese (CEO Dancefield)
bad mood or not, gotta still keep your head on and be careful what you say. Because now Atb just shot himself in the foot, even if what he says is true. There's no excuse for verbal abuse.
Such kindergarten shit if its lasted 10 years. Geez. Doesn't help Atb is tempermental. Maybe I can see why PVD doesn't want to even see him on the same stage.
I recall something at "LoveParade" in SF and PvD, it was still called LoveParade so guessing 3 years ago? I can't recall all the details and I am sure some of it was rumors.
- PvD wouldn't spin on the Spundae float
- PvD's wife put a veto on him playing
- PvD couldn't play due to the proper insurance, though everyone else mysteriously could
- PvD REALLY wanted to and apologized but just couldn't
Now take everything I just said with a grain of salt, nothing was ever confirmed. Only thing I can confirm was I thought it was stupid and childish and refused to go see him again. Skipped the next time he was at 1015, then went to see him the following year, then saw him at Popsikle last year...
Point? Well...people will forget and still pay to see both ATB and PvD. Though I wish I stuck to my guns, I didn't enjoy PvD at either events following his LoveParade issue...
who the fuck cares? This was not even on this continent.
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| Originally posted by |Thrax| who the fuck cares? This was not even on this continent. |
its like why this board exists for some people.
people people people.. i think we all know who's behind this..
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| Originally posted by theSEAN people people people.. i think we all know who's behind this.. |
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