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PPP's newest national survey finds that a 52% majority of GOP voters nationally think that ACORN stole the Presidential election for Barack Obama last year, with only 27% granting that he won it legitimately. [...] Belief in the ACORN conspiracy theory is even higher among GOP partisans than the birther one, which only [!!!] 42% of Republicans expressed agreement with on our national survey in September. [...] Full results here.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot...9/11/acorn.html

That's a shame. It really is.

The GOP is dead, and will remain dead until someone can arise from their party who has a shred of common sense and doesn't act like a fucking crybaby. Even then, they'll probably lose simply because their entire base is filled with a bunch of conspiracy theory idiots who get all their news from Glenn Beck.

You underestimate the power of sheer numbers and mass idiocy. Should the US fall under attack within the next few years, and Obama fail to act hasty and retributive, he will look exceedingly weak and you'll see a nation vote with its heart rather than its mind. Again.

I have a feeling Obama would attack the correct country, and attack them quickly if we were to have another 9/11. I really don't think he would hesitate on that issue.

Acorn... conspiracy?

I've said this argument before and I'll say it again ... Republicans are alleging that ACORN, a community based organization, stole 10 MILLION votes for Obama across the entire country.

Now imagine if Obama won the election by 500 votes in the state of florida, which was governed by his brother, and the liberal, activist supreme court ruled by a 5-4 decision to discontinue the recount, and then it was uncovered that the corporate heavyweights of the diebold voting machine company were HEAVY democratic campaign supporters ... can you imagine how fucking retarded these very people would be??? They would fucking engage in civil war. Of course being cowardly chickenhawks they would have a hard time finding people to fight for them ...

/doesn't believe bush stole the 2000 election

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Just sayin'.

Says all you need to know, really.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/a...klin-graham.php

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Originally posted by ziptnf The GOP is dead, and will remain dead until someone can arise from their party who has a shred of common sense and doesn't act like a fucking crybaby. Even then, they'll probably lose simply because their entire base is filled with a bunch of conspiracy theory idiots who get all their news from Glenn Beck.

lol... I love how you guys paint with the broad brush. If the GOP is dead, what just happened in Virginia (which obama won by a huge margin) and New Jersey (one of the bluest states) with the governor's races last month? Screaming "extremist" or "conspiracy theorist" for anyone who doesn't fall in line with liberal policies is retarded.

By the way, as of November 11th:

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Republicans have moved ahead of Democrats by 48% to 44% among registered voters in the latest update on Gallup�s generic congressional ballot for the 2010 House elections, after trailing by six points in July and two points last month.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124226/R...-2010-Vote.aspx

Indepentants went from a dead heat last year to +22% favoring the GOP. Sounds like a hell of a lot of buyer's remorse.

And....

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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 27% of the nation�s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -15. This is the lowest Approval Index rating yet measured for President Obama

As always, independents are the key:

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Fifty-two percent (52%) of Democrats Strongly Approve while 68% of Republicans Strongly Disapprove. Among those not affiliated with either major political party, just 16% Strongly Approve and 51% Strongly Disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...l_tracking_poll

Byron York further explains how internal polling data shows Obama is under 50% with every age group now for the first time, except 18-29 and making less than $2000/month.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...n-72577812.html

Not very Hopeandchangey if you ask me. But the GOP is dead... lol we'll see in 2010 when the backlash to the Left's overextending begins.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Says all you need to know, really.

You evidently never saw this photo.

Say what you will, but if Palin+Beck 2012 comes into fruition, all bets are off.

Oh, if only every problem brought onto the U.S. could be fixed with a magic wand like you want, 17. All presidents, regardless of how good they are, are going to have low support ratings during times of crises and times where huge decisions are made. People are going to be confused when the government is investing a lot of money and they don't immediately see results. If only the world worked like that.

Just because some GOP governors are winning in a few blue states doesn't mean that this flip flopping between states doesn't happen all the time. I'm sure you remember the 2006 Senate and House race VERY well, when several GOP seats were lost.

17, Can you name a single GOP senator that would make a suitable president? One who doesn't rudely interrupt the president during an ADDRESS TO CONGRESS, one who doesn't bring babies and small children to the Senate Floor to make a point, one who can make good decisions, and don't you dare say John McCain.

Edit: Did you watch that video that Hal posted? That's your base, 17. That's the core of your party. Are you willing to stand beside them as they cast their votes for Sarah Palin?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On :] Just sayin'.

grass roots

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Originally posted by ziptnf Edit: Did you watch that video that Hal posted? That's your base, 17. That's the core of your party. Are you willing to stand beside them as they cast their votes for Sarah Palin?

In fairness, it would be very easy to make a video like that asking the droves of Obama sheep the same questions.

A better place to ask those questions would be a Christian university and a liberal one.

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Originally posted by Spam In fairness, it would be very easy to make a video like that asking the droves of Obama sheep the same questions.

It's true - they can edit these sorts of things however they like, and often do. But then again, the type of people who would show up to a Sarah Palin book signing.... ughh.

The troll in the lotr sweater was best.

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Originally posted by The17sss lol... I love how you guys paint with the broad brush. If the GOP is dead, what just happened in Virginia (which obama won by a huge margin)

Um, did you SEE who the Dems put up in that race? I was ashamed to even vote in that election.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On It's true - they can edit these sorts of things however they like, and often do. But then again, the type of people who would show up to a Sarah Palin book signing.... ughh. The troll in the lotr sweater was best.

I may be going to the one in the DC area... I'm very tempted.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I may be going to the one in the DC area... I'm very tempted.

lol! i reckon id end up getting bashed at one of those. or shot i suppose, it being a palin rally of sorts.

australia's had its own sarah palin, but she was never within a cunt hair of challenging for its leadership. i think a TA in here said that- mccain's pick for VP was a cynical choice and showed a real lack of respect for the american people.

cant remember who said it, but right on the money imo.

i was pretty hurt when Q5 voted for her. i thought the poor guy was selling himself short. he deserved better. we miss you Q!

That may have been me. It more or less sums up how I still feel about it. If you unpack some of the polling numbers around her, it is interesting. She's wildly popular among the conservative base, but her unfavorable numbers are still quite high (30% or so) - all the other potential 2012 candidates have unfavorables in the teens.

I think a lot of the support is tacit - they approve of her in the sense that they know she strikes the fear of God in Democrats, and so supporting her just adds to that fear by making her a viable candidate. One of the blogs I read made an interesting point about Sarah Palin's support being synonymous with protest voting - that the support for her policies is actually quite low - but the fact that she is anathema to Barack Obama (who they hate) in every way makes her an appealing outlet for their frustration.

I think people know I read The Atlantic fairly religiously, but here's an interesting point posted yesterday:

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Palin's base confuses "liberal fear" with some kind of populist power, by ignoring the fact that a lot of people who want nothing to do with us pinkos, are afraid of Palin too. People misunderstand fear. It doesn't always cause your foes to cower in a corner. Sometimes it causes them to beat the crap out of you with a bag of rusty nails.

http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic....om_the_base.php

LOL I thought this article was hilarious and not without accuracy:

Sarah Palin, WWE Star

Matt Taibbi

Obama knows the long odds against a right-wing populist winning the presidency, no matter how good she looks in a skirt or running clothes, brandishing a gun. He shouldn�t be too cocky, however, because the death of the center is ultimately a problem for him and the whole country. If the Palinistas seize the GOP, they probably cannot take the White House. But their brand of no-prisoners partisanship sure can tie up Congress.

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The really beautiful thing about the culture war, from an entertainment standpoint, is that it is fundamentally irresolvable. There isn�t a concrete set of issues involved, where in theory both sides could give in a little and find middle ground, reach some sort of compromise.

That�s because there are no issues at all. At the end of this decade what we call �politics� has devolved into a kind of ongoing, brainless soap opera about dueling cultural resentments and the really cool thing about it, if you�re a TV news producer or a talk radio host, is that you can build the next day�s news cycle meme around pretty much anything at all, no matter how irrelevant � like who�s wearing a flag lapel pin and who isn�t, who spent $150K worth of campaign funds on clothes and who didn�t, who wore a t-shirt calling someone a **** and who didn�t, and who put a picture of a former Vice Presidential candidate in jogging shorts on his magazine cover (and who didn�t).

It doesn�t matter what the argument is about. What�s important is that once the argument starts, the two sides will automatically coalesce around the various instant-cocoa talking points and scream at each other until they�re blue in the face, or until the next argument starts.

And while some of us are old enough to remember that once upon a time, these arguments always had at least some sort of ideological flavor to them, i.e. the throwdowns were at least rooted in some sort of real political issue (war, taxes, immigration, etc.) we�ve now got a whole generation that is accustomed to screaming at cultural enemies as an end in itself, for the sheer dismal fun of it. Start fighting first, figure out the reasons later.

Sarah Palin is the Empress-Queen of the screaming-for-screaming�s sake generation. The people who dismiss her book Going Rogue as the petty, vindictive meanderings of a preening paranoiac with the IQ of a celery stalk completely miss the book�s significance, because in some ways it�s really a revolutionary and innovative piece of literature.

Palin � and there�s just no way to deny this � is a supremely gifted politician. She has staked out, as her own personal political turf, the entire landscape of incoherent white American resentment. In this area she leaves even Rush Limbaugh in the dust.

The reason for that is that poor Rush is an anachronism, in the sense that his whole schtick revolves around talking about real political issues. And real political issues are boring.

Listen to Rush any day of the week and you�ll hear him playing the old-fashioned pundit game: he goes about the dreary business of picking through the policies and positions and public statements of Democrats and poking holes in them, arguing with them, attacking them with numbers and facts and pseudo-facts and non-facts and whatever else he can get his hands on, honest or not, but at least he tries. The poor guy nearly killed himself this summer trying to find enough horseshit to arm himself with against the health care bill, coming up with various fairy tales about how state health agencies used death panels to try to kill cancer patients who just wanted to live a little longer, how section 1233 is Auschwitz all over again, yada yada yada.

Rush is no Einstein, but the man does research. It may be fallacious and completely dishonest research, but he does it all the same. His battlefield is world politics and most of the time the relevant action is taking place in Washington. As good as he is at what he does, he still has to travel to the action; he himself isn�t the action.

Sarah Palin�s battlefield, on the other hand, is whatever is happening five feet in front of her face. She is building a political career around the little interpersonal wars in the immediate airspace surrounding her sawdust-filled head. And in the process she connects with pissed-off, frightened, put-upon America on a plane that�s far more elemental than the mega-ditto schtick.

Most normal people cannot connect on an emotional level with Rush�s meanderings on how Harry Reid is buying off Mary Landrieu with pork in the health care bill. They can, however, connect with stories about how top McCain strategist and Karl Rove acolyte Steve Schmidt told poor Sarah to shut her pie-hole on election day, or how her supposed allies in the McCain campaign stabbed her in the back by leaking gossip about her to reporters, how Schmidt used the word �fuck� in front of her daughter, or even with the strange tales about Schmidt ordering Sarah to consult with a nutritionist to improve her campaign endurance when she herself knew she just needed to get out in the fresh air and run (If there�s one thing Sarah Palin knows, it�s herself!).

Complaining about the assholes we interact with on a daily basis is the #1 eternal pastime of the human race. We all do it, and we get to do it every day, because the world is full of assholes. Me personally, I waste an enormous amount of time seething over people who get onto crowded subway cars with big backpacks on and/or talk in the Amtrak quiet car and/or drive 57 mph in the fast lane or, my personal favorite, walking with glacial slowness in a horizontal row four overweight tourists across on a New York City sidewalk. We all get into furious arguments at work that make us want to explode in self-righteous fury (in my office dramas I always realize I was actually the asshole a day or so later) and when we get home from work, this is usually what our loved ones hear about for at least the first hour or so.

Not health care, not financial regulatory reform, not Iraq or Afghanistan, but � assholes.

Sarah Palin is on an endless crusade against assholes. It�s all she thinks about. She doesn�t really have any political ideas, in the classic sense of the word � in fact the only thing resembling real political convictions in Going Rogue revolve around the Trans-Alaska pipeline and how awesome she thinks it is.

Most of the rest of the book just catalogs her Gump-esque rise to national stardom (not having enough self-awareness to detect the monstrous narcissistic ambition that in reality was impelling her forward all along, she labors in the book to describe her various career leaps as lucky accidents or mystical acts of Providence) and the seemingly endless parade of meanies bent on tripping her up along the way. The book is really about her battles with these people, how much they did and do suck, and how difficult and inherently unfair life is for a decent hardworking American gal who just wants to live life, serve God, and try to be president without being bothered all the time.

Viewed through the prism of this particular brand of insanity (Palinsanity? does that work?), Katie Couric�s notorious Palin interview last year really was a cheap shot. After all, Katie was trying to nail Palin � which is mean! Who among us can�t sympathize with the experience of being sandbagged by some slick professional rival who catches you in a moment of weakness and, instead of lending a helping hand, drives a fireplace poker through your eye?

You�d have to be thinking about the broader picture, about the fact that the president of the United States ought not to be a drooling yahoo whose two favorite Supreme Court cases are Roe v. Wade and Roe v. Wade and who thinks living near Canada counts as foreign policy experience, to not see what an asshole Katie Couric was being. And that other reality, the reality where one worries about a national political candidate having the brains of an innertube, is less immediate than the five-foot airspace radius around the Palin bobblehead. It�s harder for the average person to connect with, I guess.

Palin�s extraordinary ability to inspire major national controversies around these injustices done to her immediate person is going to guarantee her some kind of major role in American politics for the next dozen years. In this regard she is going to have a willing ally in her supposed keen enemy, the mainstream media, which likewise loves nothing more than a political narrative that has nothing to do with politics. It�ll be a virtually endless war over nonsense like this latest Newsweek cover, which hilariously is being seen as one or the other of a) a liberal media plot or b) a sexist assault on a prominent female politician by the male-dominated media world when in fact, as all of us in this dying print media business know, the magazine�s motive was grounded entirely in the nihilistic desperation to sell newsstand copies.

And Sarah Palin sells copies. She is the country�s first WWE politician � a cartoon combatant who inspires stadiums full of frustrated middle American followers who will cheer for her against whichever villain they trot out, be it Newsweek, Barack Obama, Katie Couric, Steve Schmidt, the Mad Russian, Randy Orton or whoever. Her followers will not know that she is the perfect patsy for our system, designed as it is to channel popular anger in any direction but a useful one, and to keep the public tied up endlessly in pointless media melees over meaningless nonsense (melees of the sort that develop organically around Palin everywhere she goes). Like George W. Bush, even Palin herself doesn�t know this, another reason she�s such a perfect political tool.

With Going Rogue, the 2012 reality show has already begun. As brainless political theater, she can�t be topped. It�s just too bad for conservatives that she happens to be unsustainably divisive and, as Newsweek points out, a really good bet to permanently marginalize the Republican party by reducing it to a pissed-off, semi-coherent mob that repulses independent voters on a visceral level. To paraphrase John Doman�s Deputy Ops Rawls character from The Wire, she�s �brilliant � fuckin� shame it�s gonna end our careers, but still.�

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On :] Just sayin'.

Pretty biased video. You can find tards like this on every corner of the planet. Conservatives release their version of these videos all the time.

P.S. That blonde pretty hot.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov

i wish your link worked

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