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Im pretty happy with my decision not to get the swine flu shot...

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By Helen Branswell, Medical Reporter, The Canadian Press ADVERTISEMENT TORONTO - There have been 24 confirmed cases of a type of severe allergic reaction called anaphylaxis in Canadians who have received an H1N1 flu shot, including one person who died after getting vaccinated, the head of the Public Health Agency of Canada said Wednesday. Dr. David Butler-Jones said the person who died - identified in the media as a Quebec man in his 80s - met the criteria for having an anaphylactic reaction. But he said it's still not clear whether that or other health problems caused the death. "There were a number of other situations. So exactly what the ultimate cause was or what the issues are, that will take some time, I understand, to investigate," said Butler-Jones. Anaphylaxis is a severe allergic reaction that can cause a person's airways to close up. It can be fatal and must be treated quickly with adrenaline, generally administered via the EpiPen devices carried by people with severe food or insect sting allergies. Butler-Jones disclosed the information in Ottawa during a news conference at which federal health officials revealed flu activity appears to be levelling off in some parts of the country. They did not say where, though Butler-Jones did mention there has been a decline in new hospitalizations in British Columbia, which was at the forefront of the current wave of activity. However, Butler-Jones warned a good chunk of the Canadian population is likely still susceptible to the virus. He estimated between five and 10 per cent of people have probably been ill and about 25 per cent have been vaccinated. "Influenza remains an unpredictable disease," he said. "And reaching the plateau of the second wave in some communities does not mean that the pandemic is over. There is still the other side of the peak. And there remain millions of infections to be prevented." Officials hope to persuade millions more of those folks to get vaccinated, especially now that vaccine production is expected to more than keep pace with demand. Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq said she will be vaccinated within the next few days. She noted that by the end of this week a total of more than 15 million doses of vaccine will have been shipped to the provinces and territories. That's almost enough for half the country's population, nearly the proportion of Canadians who've indicated in the most recent public opinion polls that they intend to get vaccinated. Butler-Jones said despite the signals there may be a levelling off underway, flu activity remains four to seven times higher than is normally seen at this time of year. That's not altogether surprising - there generally isn't much flu activity at this point in the year. For the week ending Nov. 14 there were 1,674 new hospitalizations, 261 ICU admissions and 84 deaths, he said. As of Tuesday, there had been 279 laboratory confirmed deaths in Canada caused by this virus. On the issue of serious adverse reactions to the H1N1 vaccine, Butler-Jones said the rate of anaphylactic events was about 0.32 cases for every 100,000 doses of vaccine delivered - a figure that's within the norm for mass vaccination efforts. And an official of the Centers for Disease Control said the U.S. agency has looked at reports of severe allergic reactions after H1N1 shots and isn't seeing anything abnormal. "We've also looked in a little more detail at severe allergic reactions, and, again, those are not showing up more commonly than we would expect," said Dr. Anne Schuchat, director of the CDC's national center for immunization and respiratory diseases. Attention was drawn to the issue of anaphylaxis last week when vaccine maker GlaxoSmithKline told provinces to stop using vaccine from a batch of 172,000 doses that was sent out last month. The halt-use order was issued because six people vaccinated from that batch developed anaphylaxis - a higher than expected number of such cases. All but 15,000 doses of the vaccine had been used by the time the halt-use order was issued, said Dr. Danielle Grondin, assistant deputy minister of the public health agency. But confirmed cases of anaphylaxis have been seen with other batches as well. And some possible cases may still be under investigation. Ursula Fournier's son Max is one. The Halifax mother said Wednesday she's still waiting to hear if the reaction Max, 4 1/2, suffered when he got his shot on Nov. 3 was anaphylaxis. Almost immediately after getting the shot, Max went limp, Fournier said. His blood pressure dropped and his breathing got "really laboured and loud," she said. Staff of the clinic quickly used an EpiPen to revive the boy, who was then taken to the local children's hospital, IWK Health Centre, where he was kept under observation for six hours. Fournier was told Max's doctor would be contacted and the boy would be referred to an allergy specialist. But she'd like to know if her son had an anaphylactic reaction. "I would think as his parent it's my responsibility to get to the bottom of it," said Fournier, who expressed frustration at the lack of information.

What's your point? They knew this about the vaccine.


edit: Sorry, my bad...just read the last bit at the end there.

holy shit.
yeah I can say I'm pretty damn happy myself!

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On the issue of serious adverse reactions to the H1N1 vaccine, Butler-Jones said the rate of anaphylactic events was about 0.32 cases for every 100,000 doses of vaccine delivered - a figure that's within the norm for mass vaccination efforts.

Good grief, man! Do you even read the articles you post???

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Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers Good grief, man! Do you even read the articles you post???

yup... and i dont believe in even that minute risk for the sake of nothing.

OMG!!!

IT'S THE V'S!!!!!!!

There hiding some kind of poison in our flu shots!!!

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Originally posted by VDub OMG!!! IT'S THE V'S!!!!!!! There hiding some kind of poison in our flu shots!!!

lol

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Originally posted by VDub OMG!!! IT'S THE V'S!!!!!!! There hiding some kind of poison in our flu shots!!!

no.. but the damn thing hasnt been properly tested.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 yup... and i dont believe in even that minute risk...

You do nothing that has a chance greater than 0.00032% risk of causing a potentially life-threatening situation?

Really?

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...for the sake of nothing.

And that pretty much tells us where we are in this conversation.

Re: Im pretty happy with my decision not to get the swine flu shot...

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Originally posted by Jayx1

Me too, I feel the same way.

We actually agree on something!

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Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers You do nothing that has a chance greater than 0.00032% risk of causing a potentially life-threatening situation? Really? And that pretty much tells us where we are in this conversation.

why because i happen to believe that healthy people have no business taking a flu shot?

Tell me this vaccine is going to prevent AIDS or cancer which are deadly and are actual epidemics then id probably take the vaccine (assuming it had properly been tested) even with a small risk.

But there is no sense in risking anything for the sake of not getting the flu unless u are already infirm.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 no.. but the damn thing hasnt been properly tested.

false.

the H1N1 vaccine is the same as any other seasonal flu vaccines which have been tested thoroughly in the past, IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME minus the flu flavor of the season, in this case AH1N1.

It's like an old cake recipe where 99.5% of the ingredients is known in advance except if it's going to be adding nuts, choclate chips or dried raisin in it.

There's hundreds maybe thousands of flu variants, it's impossible to take years to redo tests on one variant alone because

1) there's not enough time between the moment the variant of the season is discovered and that flavor hitting the population

2) if they take their time to test it, the flu wave might be long over and the population already getting into the next one(s)

and 3) Price of vaccines would explode because of the ad nauseam testing, and God knows how much you hate being taxed and paying for frivoulous shit, this being one of them.

You don't want the vaccine? fine. Keep it to yourself and stop spreading lies and help the cause of tin foil hate wearers.

funny but the tin foil hat wearers to me are the ones running to get the shot because they think if they dont they are going to die tomorrow.

And you have just illustrated why i wont get ANY flu shot since there is "not enough time" to properly test every variant. And to me its not necessary to begin with unless the flu could cause complications with someone who is already infirm.

As for the cost of vaccines... i think its absurd that the government is spending billions on this flu shot BS when we could be trying to cure cancer or AIDS or something that ACTUALLY KILLS OTHERWISE HEALTHY PEOPLE.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 As for the cost of vaccines... i think its absurd that the government is spending billions on this flu shot BS when we could be trying to cure cancer or AIDS or something that ACTUALLY KILLS OTHERWISE HEALTHY PEOPLE.

You gotta blame the sheep that make up the better half of the Canadian population.

Hypothetically, if the CDN government had decided not to finance flu shots, the population would be up in a hissy fit saying the government isnt looking out for the people. Then again, im probably preaching to the choir here..

Until people understand what personal responsibility is, you can expect many more debacles like this for years to come.

Also as a general statement, from someone who's done 5 years of molecular biology and 2 years of immunology, I can tell you with confidence, that if your 20 something, and you dont have an immune deficiency. You DO NOT need the flu shot. Eat your veggies, dont go on clubbing benders too often and you'll be fine. Ill get off my high horse now.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 why because i happen to believe that healthy people have no business taking a flu shot? Tell me this vaccine is going to prevent AIDS or cancer which are deadly and are actual epidemics then id probably take the vaccine (assuming it had properly been tested) even with a small risk. But there is no sense in risking anything for the sake of not getting the flu unless u are already infirm.

Where the hell did AIDS and cancer come into this? Please - stay on topic (if you're unsure what the topic is, READ YOUR ORIGINIAL POST).

H1N1 is NOT seasonal flu:

http://www.infectioncontroltoday.co...rus-danger.html

It is more capable of killing healthy people (7-35 years old) because it infects cells deep in the lungs, unlike seasonal.

If you're going to post articles on this forum to try and inform people, can you please do SOME research instead of finding the most controversial articles nearly void of any useful information? Is that a lot to ask?

woo just had the flu for 2.1 days

I swear some of you fucks would argue the point that the sky was blue if Jay made it...

I believe he is in fact very informed on this issue...

I also side with him on this vaccine topic...

Didn't we already have a discussion about this?

Deletefromusers, please find a more recent news-article.

Better yet, pull up the raw numbers of swine flu infection/deaths, rather than posting an article about how harmful it is to monkeys and ferrets.

If 25% of Canadians have got the H1N1 shot, and 24 people have had confirmed allergic reactions, that's just under the .3/100,000 doses ratio that they calculated in their studies.

How many unconfirmed allergic reactions there have been will bump that number up a bit as well, but by and large it looks like their calculated risk was fairly accurate.

Too bad someone had to die from the shot all because they didn't want to risk death by the flu. But that's the risk you take when you inject shit into your body. Who knows, maybe H1N1 would have got 'im anyway.

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Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers

pls check ur pm's

GSK recently recalled a batch of vaccines that showed an unusual increase in allergic reactions from 1 in 100,000 to 5 in 100,000. This is for a batch that includes 170,000 doses. A "lot" of people means 6 or 7 instead of 1 or 2. Is that about right?

Strange that the vaccine supplier would recall the vaccine if it's really involved in some sort of wacky global depopulation conspiracy thing...

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Originally posted by basilisk GSK recently recalled a batch of vaccines that showed an unusual increase in allergic reactions from 1 in 100,000 to 5 in 100,000. This is for a batch that includes 170,000 doses. A "lot" of people means 6 or 7 instead of 1 or 2. Is that about right? Strange that the vaccine supplier would recall the vaccine if it's really involved in some sort of wacky global depopulation conspiracy thing...

its not a depopulation scheme. Its a get rich quick scheme.

So in PEI they have delayed the HPV vaccine. Here is a vaccine that in my opinion is much more important than swine flu. This vaccine prevents HPV which in women is proven to cause cancer. If there is any small risk in taking a vaccine i would think cancer>>>>>>flu

I wonder what else is delayed? I wonder what other jurisdictions are affected? I wonder what the next scare will be?

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HPV vaccination delayed by swine flu program Last Updated: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 | 7:21 AM AT Comments14Recommend15 CBC News The province of P.E.I. has delayed a program to vaccinate young girls against HPV, a virus linked to cervical cancer. The series of three shots is offered to girls in Grades 6 and 9. The vaccine is administered by public health nurses, but deputy chief health officer Dr. Lamont Sweet told CBC News on Tuesday those nurses were assigned to deliver the H1N1 vaccine instead. "The first dose has been given, the second dose, which is normally given a month later, has been delayed in many schools because the nursing staff have been busy with the H1N1 vaccine program," said Sweet. The third shot will be administered by the end of the school year.

HPV can diagnosed by doing regular check-ups and doing appropriate tests (pap smear and etc)

not a fan of this being imposed on such young girls

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