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Posted by tehlord on Jan-21-2010 12:27:

Effects, transitions, whooshes, swooshes

I'm a bit tired of going for the cutoff knob on meh 'noise' patch, and the delayed crashes, and the reverbed samples, and the delayed vocal chops.

What else to do?


Throw me your ideas.


Posted by Crash on Jan-21-2010 12:40:

Re: Effects, transitions, whooshes, swooshes

quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
I'm a bit tired of going for the cutoff knob on meh 'noise' patch, and the delayed crashes, and the reverbed samples, and the delayed vocal chops.

What else to do?


Throw me your ideas.


I've hit that wall to. I was even fiddling with a snareroll yesterday. I havent done a snareroll since...2007?


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-21-2010 13:00:

I would say just about any sound can make a good fx/transition - just fuck around with effects and see what you come up with. I've been particularily fond of bitcrushed effects lately myself.


Posted by tehlord on Jan-21-2010 13:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
I would say just about any sound can make a good fx/transition - just fuck around with effects and see what you come up with. I've been particularily fond of bitcrushed effects lately myself.


Ohhh that's a good call

I did have a play with that on an older track of mine where I used a mongolian chant throughout too. It got a bit lost in the mix though and I keep meaning to re-visit it.


Posted by rufus the dog on Jan-21-2010 13:37:

I'm liking that bussed reverb effect at the mo (someone posted about it a little while ago - it might have been you actually!)

Steve Angello uses it on his masterclass video (fairly good demo of how to do it)


Posted by Beatflux on Jan-21-2010 13:45:

Listen to something different...


Posted by tehlord on Jan-21-2010 13:46:

quote:
Originally posted by rufus the dog
I'm liking that bussed reverb effect at the mo (someone posted about it a little while ago - it might have been you actually!)

Steve Angello uses it on his masterclass video (fairly good demo of how to do it)


I think it MAY have been me, I do tend to use it a lot


Posted by Crash on Jan-21-2010 14:01:

quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
I think it MAY have been me, I do tend to use it a lot


Reversed piano note with alot of reverd. Just tried it. But meh, felt like ive heard it before.


Posted by tehlord on Jan-21-2010 14:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Crash
Reversed piano note with alot of reverd. Just tried it. But meh, felt like ive heard it before.


Done that, although the track I did it in was one of my very first remixes about 18 months ago and therefore doesn't count as it's shite


Posted by Kysora on Jan-21-2010 15:13:

Stutter the volume of the entire track, that's one of my favorite effects to use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNGuYC7OCmw 3:58 is one of the best transitions I've ever heard using stutter effects. Aksesson - Perfect Blue has a pretty good one too near the beginning.

Silence is pretty effective, even if you just let the track fade into nothing for a measure or two with anything that's delayed/reverbed playing until it's quiet, and then bringing everything back in.

I also liked throwing in 2 measure breaks, where you build up to the end of an 8/16 measure phrase and instead of leading into a new phrase, interrupt it with 2 measures of whatever transitions you want before leading back into it. It gives a lot more impact to otherwise boring reverse cymbals or stutters or whatever, I think, and it creates a lot of tension.

Dunno if any of this stuff is standard or would fit with the music you make, but they're things that work well enough for me.


Posted by rufus the dog on Jan-21-2010 15:17:

RAMSTERDAM!!!! Tune!!

Stuff like those stutter effects can be done pretty usefully using Effectrix or Glitch


Posted by LoveHate on Jan-21-2010 15:32:

quote:
Originally posted by rufus the dog
I'm liking that bussed reverb effect at the mo (someone posted about it a little while ago - it might have been you actually!)

Steve Angello uses it on his masterclass video (fairly good demo of how to do it)



actually i made that thread.


anyways for transitions synths & pads and stuff like that are good to.


Posted by Sonic_c on Jan-21-2010 15:40:

suddenly hold onto a repeating bar, then half bar then quarter bar and so on then silence for a bar let your reverbs play out then boom.

How about automating the release on all of your synths untill everything is a muddy mess, drums drop out, side chain gradually pumps the entire mix while i high/low pass filter reduces the mix to a rumble/hiss then some silence and into next section?

Or a sudden modulation to another key ?


Posted by tehlord on Jan-21-2010 15:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Kysora
Stutter the volume of the entire track, that's one of my favorite effects to use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNGuYC7OCmw 3:58 is one of the best transitions I've ever heard using stutter effects. Aksesson - Perfect Blue has a pretty good one too near the beginning.

Silence is pretty effective, even if you just let the track fade into nothing for a measure or two with anything that's delayed/reverbed playing until it's quiet, and then bringing everything back in.

I also liked throwing in 2 measure breaks, where you build up to the end of an 8/16 measure phrase and instead of leading into a new phrase, interrupt it with 2 measures of whatever transitions you want before leading back into it. It gives a lot more impact to otherwise boring reverse cymbals or stutters or whatever, I think, and it creates a lot of tension.

Dunno if any of this stuff is standard or would fit with the music you make, but they're things that work well enough for me.


That is a great stuttered break, not heard that particular track before. I'm doing a break at the moment where i've got a delay on the master where i'm automating up the mix level (feedback a constant 100%) while also filtering it down to nothing and then letting it all drop back in.

I like the idea of building up to a buildup too


Posted by tehlord on Jan-21-2010 15:44:

quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
That is a great stuttered break, not heard that particular track before. I'm doing a break at the moment where i've got a delay on the master where i'm automating up the mix level (feedback a constant 100%) while also filtering it down to nothing and then letting it all drop back in.

I like the idea of building up to a buildup too




quote:
Originally posted by Sonic_c
suddenly hold onto a repeating bar, then half bar then quarter bar and so on then silence for a bar let your reverbs play out then boom.

How about automating the release on all of your synths untill everything is a muddy mess, drums drop out, side chain gradually pumps the entire mix while i high/low pass filter reduces the mix to a rumble/hiss then some silence and into next section?

Or a sudden modulation to another key ?


Kind of what i'm trying at the moment.

All good ideas here, like it


Posted by kitphillips on Jan-21-2010 15:55:

Tape stop (Ala Airwave - Coka's Song fucking AWESOME effect)
Reversed piano note/chord
Reverse a bar of your drum loop (with or without kick)
reverse crash
Reversed sound timestretched beyond all recognition (possibly with greater time stretch towards the end)
Low pass the entire mix gradually then slam it back in
Loop a bar, then a half bar, then a quarter bar, then an eighth, then a 16th etc
Gate effects on pads/basses

So many transition effects to be had... use your imagination...


Posted by RichieV on Jan-21-2010 15:56:

there is also the old synth sync fm trick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owhpwmhVUnQ

at 4 50


Posted by tehlord on Jan-21-2010 16:02:

quote:
Originally posted by RichieV
there is also the old synth sync fm trick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owhpwmhVUnQ

at 4 50



Yup, I like that.

I can see some morphing or vocoding doing a similar trick.

Nice.


Posted by RichieV on Jan-21-2010 16:11:

also fragmenting voice samples can be effective

example

this effect is really simple. Just set loop points and move the time frame back instead of forward. IT then goes forward and at the end the loop end is shortened to give that effect when Keanu takes the red pill. Or was it the blue pill ?


Posted by tehlord on Jan-21-2010 16:16:

quote:
Originally posted by RichieV
also fragmenting voice samples can be effective

example

this effect is really simple. Just set loop points and move the time frame back instead of forward.


I'm still not too hot with sampling. I do like the effect though, I've got Shortcircuit and Kontakt to play with now too.


Posted by RichieV on Jan-21-2010 16:18:

that was done with battery 1 when it came out so I'm sure alot cooler things can be done with stuff like artillery and Kontakt

I also like this transition. Just Chaos really

At 3:50
Lower State of Consciousness - Justice Mix


Posted by tehlord on Jan-21-2010 16:28:

quote:
Originally posted by RichieV
that was done with battery 1 when it came out so I'm sure alot cooler things can be done with stuff like artillery and Kontakt


Actually I have Battery 3 as well in Komplete but I just moved away from that in favour of Shortcircuit for sample mapping. Take a look at shortcircuit if you haven't already, Vember have released it into the wild for free too. Great, and resource light sampler.


Posted by Crash on Jan-21-2010 17:29:

quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
That is a great stuttered break, not heard that particular track before. I'm doing a break at the moment where i've got a delay on the master where i'm automating up the mix level (feedback a constant 100%) while also filtering it down to nothing and then letting it all drop back in.

I like the idea of building up to a buildup too


Like this? One tip, when you make the effect and bounce it, bounce it without the BD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zefepp5GTjc


Posted by tehlord on Jan-21-2010 19:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Crash
Like this? One tip, when you make the effect and bounce it, bounce it without the BD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zefepp5GTjc



LOL

That's pretty much exactly what i've just done.

Without the post drop tail though.


Posted by johncannons1 on Jan-21-2010 23:06:

vengeance


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