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Guv All-Access Parties: On the decline?

What do you guys think?

Personally, although The Guv has traditionally gone with safe bets when booking their all access parties, it seems that they are ever more taking the easy way out with their bookings.

I remember when a proper Guv All-Access party would have been something like Demi, Digweed and Deep Dish in the mainroom, a big trance line-up in the Kool Haus, a breaks DJ in the Orange Room, and someone like John Acquiviva or Harry Choo Choo Romero in The Drink.

All access parties of the present day see two rooms with locals only, one room with pure cheese (Guetta and Sander? wtf?), and admittedly a really good trance room.

What do you guys think the reasoning behind this is?

Are big all-access parties just not that popular anymore?
Is our scene shrinking?
Is Guv taking a no-risk policy due to the economy?

Have Guv All-Access parties seen their day?

Or am I just not a part of the market that Guv targets any more?

Thoughts?

I think the all access parties have gone downhill but I also think they are targeting a different audience for their all access parties. It seems they bring in the more commercial DJs now and more mainstream sounding DJs. I'm sure its great for business but it definitely makes me want to stay away.

Guetta in the main room is just bad timing for us, he's going to be around and Decadence is in that time frame, Sander i don't know why...

Guetta is a sure shot money maker, fill up the main room & the koolhaus.. I don't really know if i i'll want to be there after i saw first hand what was Labour of Love. You can also look at it as a way for new people to come to guv, get someone like Guetta there and people will say " hey this is an amazing place" then go there from then on.

Dj's are getting bigger and there are higher demand for certain ones then a couple years ago, that could also be one of the main factors.

As long as they keep Canada Day & Family Day the same... i'll be happy, I don't mind the all toronto room either, maybe I'll get a shot to spin there one day so that doesn't bug me at all.

think its not really a thread worthy thing to talk about tbh.....everything has started to decline since LoL 2006, except for guv ten year, and canada day last year

Bring back the Ultra Spins!!!

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Originally posted by urban_legend Bring back the Ultra Spins!!!

I call it Guv all access cheese nowadays. They started becoming shit I say around 2004ish.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer I call it Guv all access cheese nowadays. They started becoming shit I say around 2004ish.

Like everything then.

Where's the variety, the different NEW djs of varying genres? (Not just techno or trance),

The booking staff has dropped the ball for sure over the past 3 years with their all access events. The unique variety of talent they used to bring in is no longer present. The safe route is played out by bringing in the same tired acts over and over. Like you said gone are the days of some breaks in the orange room or some internationl dj spinning house upstairs in the drink. Enough with the local talent which we can see week in and week out. The time has come to contain the local jocks to 1 room and/or simply playing in the opening time slot.

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Originally posted by The Highroller I remember when a proper Guv All-Access party would have been something like Demi, Digweed and Deep Dish in the mainroom, a big trance line-up in the Kool Haus, a breaks DJ in the Orange Room, and someone like John Acquiviva or Harry Choo Choo Romero in The Drink.

I absolutely loved that format, but I don't see how it could make money anymore. There were die hard fans, that showed and supported the lesser known DJ's in the smaller rooms, but they cleared out pretty quickly and the rooms became empty wastelands. It must cost a hell of a lot to start up an extra room.

But, I think most of the decline can be attributed to Circa opening up. It has all access all (?) the time, and definitely competes on that BIG CLUB feel. I think the timelines coincide pretty well.

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Originally posted by polkaudio The booking staff has dropped the ball for sure over the past 3 years with their all access events. The unique variety of talent they used to bring in is no longer present. The safe route is played out by bringing in the same tired acts over and over. Like you said gone are the days of some breaks in the orange room or some internationl dj spinning house upstairs in the drink. Enough with the local talent which we can see week in and week out. The time has come to contain the local jocks to 1 room and/or simply playing in the opening time slot.

i agree about the local jocks... lets stick deadmau5 in the drink or make him play at 10 pm

hahahahaha

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Originally posted by polkaudio The booking staff has dropped the ball for sure over the past 3 years with their all access events. The unique variety of talent they used to bring in is no longer present. The safe route is played out by bringing in the same tired acts over and over. Like you said gone are the days of some breaks in the orange room or some internationl dj spinning house upstairs in the drink. Enough with the local talent which we can see week in and week out. The time has come to contain the local jocks to 1 room and/or simply playing in the opening time slot.

My guess is that they just have not seen an acceptable revenue increase for having that many more headliners, vs having locals fill the rooms.

Interesting results so far...

Another take on it is: Is attendance at these parties declining because of our scene shrinking (resulting in poorer Guv bookings), or is attendance dropping because of a failure by Guv to bring in interesting acts?

*Note: I am not talking about this year's Decadence specifically because I'm sure that will be rammed, but I'm talking about the general decline in attendance in Guv All-Access parties.

I miss Ultra Spins
Contact doesn't even cut it close

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Originally posted by The Highroller Is our scene shrinking?

Yes.

Same thing has been happening in Montreal along the same timeline.

i think that the new generation are name whores.

And the big guys will draw the name whores everytime. The new generation wont go unless its on Z103 or Much.

The underground is shrinking....

HOWEVER....

Experience shows that if u have a gigantic commercial base, the underground usually benefits quite well.

So fear not, booking guetta and van burrin etc will inevitably have a GOOD effect on our scene.

Pretty much every teenager in canada knows of and is a fan of guetta and deadmau5 which is very very positive thing for the future of electronic music in this country.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 i think that the new generation are name whores. And the big guys will draw the name whores everytime. The new generation wont go unless its on Z103 or Much.

In all fairness, tickets are expensive for an all access party, and people want to go see somebody they know they are going to like.

$60 for a concert for your favorite band is nothing, but that same $60 for a bunch of DJ's you have never heard of can be an expensive gamble.

Toronto is a music city, and we have a hell of a lot of shows, large and small to compete with.

Is attendence declining?
Or is it just TA attendence?

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Originally posted by Intangible Is attendence declining? Or is it just TA attendence?

Compared to 5+ years ago, the number of All-Access events have declined (re: discontinuation of Ultra Spin), and I would wager to say that the number of people at the standard All-Access parties (Labour of Love, Decadence, Freedom) has also declined.

dude, there's less competition in the city these days. Don't you remember way back in the 99-03 era when the guv was relatively unopposed as 'the' place to party for EDM? It's the same thing now. No need to book talent when people will be coming thru your doors regardless.

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Originally posted by Intangible Is attendence declining? Or is it just TA attendence?

Thanksgiving was really dead. I don't think they even opened the drink.

This is an interesting thread Graham.

And I am far too new in the scene to make any sort of comparison.

I think scene is getting smaller though - and thats why I welcome these mainstream parties. Got to get new blood somehow. I think Guv is smart for what they are doing.

I would agree that the all access events have been getting bad.

Last one I can say was really good was LOL2006, with Digweed, Cataneo, Luke Fair, Brad Copeland in the main room, Armin, Ferry, Junkie XL in kool haus, Tommie Sunshine, Boys Noize in the tent. Plus all the others that I didn't mention. What a a line-up that was.

09 LoL roll call was probably the smallest all=access roll call I've ever seen
I think Vola gathers more TOTA's

I imagine that its a lot of work to coordinate door-staff and security for All Access events. Maybe the extra work and cost isn't worth it in the eyes of the management?

Why put extra work and extra staff on events when you can book guaranteed money in the likes of Guetta, AvB, etc. and keep it simple?

In terms of the massive roll calls of yesteryear, I think that its because as TOTA taste changes and evolves, everyone breaks off into small groups of party people. Back in 04-06 everyone's collective tastes were centered around the type of music offered at big Guv events, so that's where the TA's went.

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