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I put my heart and soul into the production on this - Production feeds (unmastered)

Ok deleted the other thread was too silly.

Basically this is a remix I am working on for the record label. I have tried my level best gave it everything I have and would like to know if the production is ok.

Nb - How low must my confidence be in my tracks to have put ozone on it to show you guys? Im embarrassed

This one has no mastering plug ins on it nothing at all on the master bus.

Again sorry for volume drops I am not allowed to post full versions

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That phasing problem is gone. What is the track RMS? It sounds loud enough here.

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Originally posted by Eric J That phasing problem is gone. What is the track RMS? It sounds loud enough here.

I tried to leave the label -3.0db for their mastering af few peaks snook up to about -1.0 I think.

The phasing was the stereo imager in ozone like I said this is just fresh out of cubase unprocessed.

Mix does sound a BIT too muddy, look into your pad too sounds like its hitting the wrong note

just listening now, these are just my opinions.

i think the snare needs to be a little louder

the kick in the breakdown could do with a longer reverb tail

i think the build up to the droop needs to be more intense

feels like theres a lack of energy, but i reckon the energy will appear when it gets mastered.

the sounds are great and fit well together and i like the melody and chord and bass progression. great work overall

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Originally posted by djandymac feels like theres a lack of energy, but i reckon the energy will appear when it gets mastered.

nope

It doesn't have much of a groove. It needs one of those famous Vengeance loops.

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Originally posted by sako487 nope

+1

Here's my 2c.

Your balance in the mix is quite a bit out IMO. The kick needs to be louder and punchier, sounds like your using too much compression. The kick needs to be more full bodied in this style of music I think.

That sweeping arp needs to go, its too distorted and taking up too much space in the mix. Its fine for the intro, but you need to filter it down or round it off for the body of the track.

Breakdown needs a better transition I think, and the lead is a bit loud. I'd try and getting a bass sound to punch in a bit harder and get the lead a bit more rounded and a touch quieter.

The two leads (pluck and vibrato ones) need to be more differentiated, try panning and also filter one and leave the other more unfiltered. This is an overall problem with the mix, you have too many elements competing for the same space with similar timbres. Its a bit too busy in many parts.

Again, the sweeping sound 4 42 is just too obnoxious. But the roll back into the final segment is nice and that drum fill is great.

Its a good track. but needs a bit more work to be releasable imo.

some things i think would improve the track:

add stereo width to your pad either doing it in the synth or rendering it out mono two times with +8,-8 fine tune and pan each hard left/right, also add lots of reverb, cutoff could be lowered when other synths are playing, you could add a bass note on the pads during the break.

add delay to your pluck, i think this would definitely sound better when the delay/pads are playing solo during the break.

replace "boom" sample with something that lasts longer (vengeance impact FX).

It could use much more stereo field usage. Everything sounds too centered, that's why it seems muddy.
I've noticed that at the end 5:05 the stereo mix seems fine, but the first time when the lead is introduced, you don't have it stacked with some more stereo field stuff and it sounds too centered (1:23)
The acid style midbass could use some filter automation and could be turned down at least 0.5 dB.


However, I don't agree with other people saying that the kick or snare should be louder, it seems fine to me.

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Originally posted by sako487 nope

+1 how many times does this need to be said???

If its not there in the mix it wont be there after its mastered

The acid sound is a bit much.

Bassline has no definition.

The drums lacks rhythm.

A bit muddy overall mix.

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Originally posted by evo8 +1 how many times does this need to be said???

One more time, evidently

So the majority think its shit really. No energy,muddy,no groove, no definition, not enough stereo, and several elements that are totally shit arp,acid etc

No way... I really thought this was my best work so I clearly over rated my ability. That has to be the most demotivating thing thats happened to me in music so far.

I think the responses are more constructive than "insert sean tyas bassline".

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Originally posted by Morvan I think the responses are more constructive than "insert sean tyas bassline".

No I dont doubt that mate, people on here know what they are talking about and I am going to look at everything people said and try to see where I can improve the mix. I just hoped that after all I have learned I could have made something good for once.

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Originally posted by Sonic_c So the majority think its shit really. No energy,muddy,no groove, no definition, not enough stereo, and several elements that are totally shit arp,acid etc No way... I really thought this was my best work so I clearly over rated my ability. That has to be the most demotivating thing thats happened to me in music so far.

It happens to us all, you think you have the best thing since sliced bread, passes it around only to discover its no good after all.
As time goes though, you will understand why it wasnt as good as you hoped as you progress.

Yeah I guess, learn to fail before you can succeed right?

Edit: I been thinking about the muddy thing, which has never been an issue usually when I post something. Like you seen from my other thread regarding this track I tried for the first time to layer up loads of basses like the tyas tracks. I think I have got it wrong because I just played it without the basses in cubase and the mix is ok. Then I unmuted just 2 basses and it sounded better.

I actually thought it was pretty good, I'm sure the posts here are just pointing out flaws because you're specifically looking for them, and posting nothing but those without much praise can get discouraging

Or maybe I'm full of shit and the track sucks, I'm sure at least one person here is willing to take that position. Either way I wouldn't get discouraged from the comments here, just take them for what they're worth and keep doing what you're doing.

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Originally posted by Sonic_c Yeah I guess, learn to fail before you can succeed right? Edit: I been thinking about the muddy thing, which has never been an issue usually when I post something. Like you seen from my other thread regarding this track I tried for the first time to layer up loads of basses like the tyas tracks. I think I have got it wrong because I just played it without the basses in cubase and the mix is ok. Then I unmuted just 2 basses and it sounded better.

In my opinion it should not be necessary to use more than 2 layers for the bassline.

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Originally posted by Sonic_c So the majority think its shit really. No energy,muddy,no groove, no definition, not enough stereo, and several elements that are totally shit arp,acid etc No way... I really thought this was my best work so I clearly over rated my ability. That has to be the most demotivating thing thats happened to me in music so far.

Oh, it IS good, but it just needs a few more tweaks. I'd say it might get a release on a smaller crappier label as it is, but if you want to aim for something better, it needs a touch more work on the balance and stuff.

I'm also pretty biased against this style, so don't by any means let me get you down mate.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Oh, it IS good, but it just needs a few more tweaks. I'd say it might get a release on a smaller crappier label as it is, but if you want to aim for something better, it needs a touch more work on the balance and stuff. I'm also pretty biased against this style, so don't by any means let me get you down mate.

Thanks man, you have no idea how much I was beating myself up about this yesterday. I was mooding around my house thinking fuck this man 5 years and I cant even remix a track. I've cheered up now though having another look at it today

Oh ty Kysora

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Originally posted by Subtle It happens to us all, you think you have the best thing since sliced bread, passes it around only to discover its no good after all. As time goes though, you will understand why it wasnt as good as you hoped as you progress.

Everyone thinks their own baby is beautiful.

I think it is good. Thats my opinion as an avarage music listener because i dont listen trance a alot. But it definitely needs a good mid-side mastering to make it shine. Or better mixing.

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