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Why is PVD avoiding LA club gigs?

Anyone have a theory for why PVD stopped playing club dates in Los Angeles for the past 1.5 years or so. He's always spinning in SF or LV or other nearby cities. I assume he must have a beef with one of the LA promoters?

He still comes for the LA massives, but he stopped coming for all club dates. wtf? I thought LA was one of the primo cities for EDM?

Because it's easier for him and gives him 20x exposure to just be bokoed at a massive once a year, or twice sometimes.

It's the same reason you won't see Armin in a club in LA this year.

It's why Tiesto has done long breaks.

Markus didn't play in a club in LA for like a year and a half, too....and it's still be pretty sparingly overall.

It's just how is.

Again, SoCal massives really hurting the (trance) club scene, IMO. Been saying it, will keep saying it.

thanks Dave, you raise some interesting points. I totally agree the massive scene has ruined everything - not the least of which are the actual massives themselves (e.g., house, trance and will i am all on main stage at EDC - no logical progression is even possible). they really need to make those events 18+.

If PVD wants to skip clubs and play massives, then I would expect that PVD would book a slightly larger LA gig such as Palladium (like Ferry just did). He presumably could get primo dollar for that kind of gig. I don't think PVD can sell out a stadium like Tiesto, so a Palladium would maximize his earnings while he continues to build his audience at the massives? I guess I'm just bitchin'.

On a side note, I hope PVD is not trying to capture the massive attendees as fans. They're 100% ignorant about EDM. Not to mention mostly annoying underaged kids. To appeal to the masses, you have to dumb down your music, make it accessible and ramp up the cheese.

in other words, while the scene is big in LA, its big in the wrong way perhaps? with all the massives and all...

they get more money and more advertising, and can still gain plenty of fans! You can't tell me that 40,000 people can watch a DJ and none become a fan. with maybe 300-1000 in a club, those are already fans, what percent of those people will become a fan? And maybe buy the next artist album. With kids who don't follow a dj as close, they will actually buy mix albums and artist albums because they aren't hearing the tracks a hundred times before the release like trance heads and true fans are. They are the ones who go on iTunes and BUY albums or tracks

But i agree with you Dave!!
I'm bias, but i think i like SF scene more, but people have more fun is SoCal

Dave i'm sorry but i don't agree with you.

The reason we haven't seen any trance DJ's in the club scene this year is because Giant moved to Avalon...and Avalon hasn't really booked any trance DJ's.

Markus did a special event at Avalon 2 weeks ago and i'm sure the same will go for Ferry and Armin this year.

If you look at the bookings of these trance dj's the past few years, they only play at so.cal clubs once a year anyways. (one tour, so this may include an OC, SD, LA trio)

Ferry had his album tour at he palladium in april and armin is playing at EDC, so naturally there club gigs will be pushed back.

I'm 99.9% sure we'll see Armin and Ferry Corsten at a club by the end of the year in So.Cal.

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Originally posted by atilla On a side note, I hope PVD is not trying to capture the massive attendees as fans. They're 100% ignorant about EDM.

I became a fan of trance after my first massive and was 100% ignorant about EDM at that time.

If even 1% of the attendees at EDC (say ~1,000 of 100,000) become EDM fans as a result of attending the massive that will have a much greater impact on increasing the popularity of EDM than if PvD played one night at a relatively big club like Circus.

Big name hip hop and pop artists perform mostly at huge events. As EDM grows, expect the same from huge EDM artists.

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Originally posted by josbalstr in other words, while the scene is big in LA, its big in the wrong way perhaps? with all the massives and all...

Big in a different way for sure. But whether it is 'bad' is all about your POV.

At EDC this year I will have the opportunity to listen to dozens of big name EDM DJs in a crazy, carnival atmosphere. On Saturday, if I don't like the DJ flow of the main stage there is a solid second stage with excellent trance DJs.

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Originally posted by modthispny Dave i'm sorry but i don't agree with you. The reason we haven't seen any trance DJ's in the club scene this year is because Giant moved to Avalon...and Avalon hasn't really booked any trance DJ's. Markus did a special event at Avalon 2 weeks ago and i'm sure the same will go for Ferry and Armin this year. If you look at the bookings of these trance dj's the past few years, they only play at so.cal clubs once a year anyways. (one tour, so this may include an OC, SD, LA trio) Ferry had his album tour at he palladium in april and armin is playing at EDC, so naturally there club gigs will be pushed back. I'm 99.9% sure we'll see Armin and Ferry Corsten at a club by the end of the year in So.Cal.

I am talking about the BIG superstar trance DJs. Armin, PvD, Tiesto, and Markus is getting there. Ferry has even been sporatic, doing 18+ or 16+ one-offs at special venues others. Think the Shrine once. last time the palladium. These should not be considered "club" gigs persay. They are special one-offs at a special venue.

And if someone like PvD wanted a club gig in LA, he could get a club gig in LA. PvD hasn't always played at Vanguard, you know. It's been awhile, but I am sure someone could get him in the Mayan one night if he wanted a club gig. His old sets there on all the odds nights were EPIC. If they do a special PvD show or something with him at the palladium or shrine, that is NOT a club gig. Totally different feel. Totally different environment. Completely different crowd.

Do you honestly think that I am just pulling the "DJs don't play at a club for a period of time on purpose" stuff out of my ass?

Avalon is opening up to more trance, BTW. They have SvD on a regular Avaland night in August.

A good portion of the other non-superstart trance DJs could probably be booked easily by Circus...but again, that's not the DJ group I'm talking about. I'm talking about the superstar trance DJs, which are the most important in trying to create any type of buzz in the scene (unfortunately).

not at all man, I can't really speak for PVD and Tiesto but i was just responding to your reason to why armin/ferry haven't played at a 21+ club in la this yr.

in 2008 and 2009, armin and ferry both played at vanguard in the spring..given the whole avalon ordeal..it makes sense that they are a little 'late' for 2010. rest assured, they will play at a 21+ club in so.cal this yr.

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Originally posted by DaveT Ferry has even been sporatic, doing 18+ or 16+ one-offs at special venues others. Think the Shrine once. last time the palladium.

He also was at Nocturnal last September. 3 hours of "Twice In A Blue Moon: The Experience"

Remember you are talking about world famous artists!
Think about any artsit known world wide and you won't see them in many club shows

Bookmarking this thread.

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Originally posted by DaveT Bookmarking this thread.

haha...we'll see what happens.

Whats happening in London can give you an indication maybe of what's really the reason

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/mus...ondon-clubland;)

I think there are other elements in play. In LA area there is 3 major driving force that has the $$$ to book big talents. Giant, Insomiac and Goventures.

Each of the big name DJs when they are being book has a contract that states they are not allowed to play for others (for example) 90 days before and 90 days after their gig, unless the gig is sanctioned by the organization that has booked them. (having talked to the agent handling one of them)

So this creates some sort of, monopoly. Thats why when Markus came, he played at Sutra and Avalon, both handled by Giant. His contract forbid him to play at other venues. Thats why sometimes you see big name dj's doing after parties or 'surprise' appearance without prior notice. Its in the contract.

My point of view. Can't say its the same reason why PVD won't play LA clubs thou. Are we digressing too much?

(this is completely my own belief which could be completely wrong. I think on top of the agent's booking fees to the artist. There might be bribes that goes towards the agents as well. Think about it. Super DJ. Every club wants him. If 3 large groups are bidding for him are willing to pay up the nose, which group is the agent going to pick? I would suspect a little under the table envelope might help facilitate the pick.)

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Originally posted by alan Whats happening in London can give you an indication maybe of what's really the reason http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/mus...ondon-clubland;)

Link wasn't working so here is the working one

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/mus...london-clubland

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Originally posted by DaveT Because it's easier for him and gives him 20x exposure to just be bokoed at a massive once a year, or twice sometimes. It's the same reason you won't see Armin in a club in LA this year. It's why Tiesto has done long breaks. Markus didn't play in a club in LA for like a year and a half, too....and it's still be pretty sparingly overall. It's just how is. Again, SoCal massives really hurting the (trance) club scene, IMO. Been saying it, will keep saying it.

it's not the money for PvD!!

LA people's are bunch of PvD HATER.

Please appreciate their work more!!
then he will come back!!!

Atomu - I agree that much of LA likes the dreamy dutch DJ sound exemplified by Tiesto, who is the only DJ who can sell out stadiums here in LA. PVD is way underappreciated. That being said, PVD has sold out every club date in LA. The last couple Vanguard appearances were insanely crowded (longest bathroom line i've ever seen at vanguard). So my original question was why no more club dates in LA? You can't sell more than "sold out". all you have left is to move to a bigger venue (hence my suggestion to copy Ferry and go to Palladium next).

Jimji - That was an interesting article. Your posting has inspired me to create a new posting. I actually always wondered about the exclusivity issue for promoters - if you're gonna pay to fly PVD first class from europe, then you might as well book him for SD, SF, LV and LA if you can (it's cheap to fly him 1st class between those cities). I am surprised that exclusivity would extend 90 days before and after - that's 180 days or 1/2 year. Anyways, you would think that PVD would recognize that while his music is better than Tiesto, he can't appeal to the uninformed masses as much as the cheesy dutch Tiesto.

I'm still wondering whether there's some bad blood between PVD's agent and one of the LA promoters.

PVD needs to come back to the Mayan and drop some hard techno like he used to there. His sets there were always amazing. I remember he used to ride the whole spectrum from breaks to house to trance to hard techno in one night. It used to get so packed in there that the whole floor would wobble from people jumping up and down. Simply amazing!!!! I guess there's something about the Mayan that most nights there were always magical and TA's were always front row!!! I can only think of one night there where I was kinda bored, otherwise nothing but good times.

I loved seeing pvd at the mayan. I'd always try to make it down to LA to see him when he played there, even if it was the in the middle of the week.

I think the last time I saw him there was October 2003, though.

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Originally posted by DjWoody

Hey, I'm in that pic...I guess I enjoyed it too!

Gareth Emery, Andy Moor, Thrillseekers etc arnt big djs??? Circus/LMD are doin quite well in bringin in top djs in my opinion, if I need Armin Ill go to Ibiza lol
As long as Markus keeps comin to LA/LV/SF thats as big as dj we need. #8 DJ, whoever else above him doesnt deserve to be IMO
Also, that pix above is pretty typical of the front of the stage (3 women 50 men) LOL

ah man... sausage fest, and true LMD is doing a great job of posting up artists that are up and coming. sorry guys but the top #3 can't be on top forever.. times change. I thinks the Tiesto, PVD, and Armin era is on its way out. They will always bring in the crowds but I feel confident to say the talent out will or is now surpassing them. The music has to evolve.. can't stay stuck on "traffic" for the rest of time. Look at the crystal method... household name.. but honestly do they really have any good recent tracks?.. just and example.

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Originally posted by RPT Gareth Emery, Andy Moor, Thrillseekers etc arnt big djs??? Circus/LMD are doin quite well in bringin in top djs in my opinion, if I need Armin Ill go to Ibiza lol As long as Markus keeps comin to LA/LV/SF thats as big as dj we need. #8 DJ, whoever else above him doesnt deserve to be IMO Also, that pix above is pretty typical of the front of the stage (3 women 50 men) LOL

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