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Carl Craig or James Zabiela

Just thought I'd get the opinions of any TAs who've seen one or both of these guys live in the last year or two. They're both playing this weekend and I can only afford to go to one. Which should it be?

Any insight into how good either of them are, what kind of stuff they do and so on is helpful.

Re: Carl Craig or James Zabiela

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Just thought I'd get the opinions of any TAs who've seen one or both of these guys live in the last year or two. They're both playing this weekend and I can only afford to go to one. Which should it be? Any insight into how good either of them are, what kind of stuff they do and so on is helpful.

I've not seen Carl Craig in over a year, but I caught James at Creamfields in August and he was truly excellent, totally took me by surprise. Definitely one of my favourite sets of the festival.

Anyway, I recommend James, you can expect everything from techno to drum & bass and everything in between, done very tastefully.

Saw JZ at Tomorrowland this summer, wax my third time I saw him play and he performed well. As stated above, his sets consist of multiple genres smoothly blended together. He's also fun to watch, always smiling and bopping his head like a madman.
If you want an impression of him live, check out that be at tv site, an extract of his tomorrowland set is on there. I think about 35 mins in he inserts a dnb track (really wanna know how he did that temposwitch).

JZ for suuuurreeee!!

He threw DOWN at Electric Daisy when i saw him in June! One of the best sets at the festival imho.

zabiela is an amazing technical dj that plays horrible music...carl craig is a legend.

go with craig it is not even close.

not for the technical merit, but to get a dose of proper music spanning from several generations vs zabs robotic shit nerd funk.

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Originally posted by Goebbel Goebbel zabiela is an amazing technical dj that plays horrible music...carl craig is a legend.

Zabiela played some absolutely lush music on his Essential Mix, including some awesome atmospheric drum 'n bass.

possible.

i last saw him with that god awful one plus one project, it was really really bad...and the time before that he spent so much time messing with the tracks that people were standing on the dancefloor wondering what to do with themselves.

a matter of taste i suppose...but i did not hear his recent em.

carl craig is not a good technical dj...but he will play good music every time. At least to me.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Zabiela played some absolutely lush music on his Essential Mix, including some awesome atmospheric drum 'n bass.

I can say the same for his set at Creamfields, I knew he was a good DJ and I've always been a fan, but his set was really impressive.

I agree with everything that was said here..

I guess what it really boils down to is.. What kind of mood are you in amd what are you feeling?

Lets be honest.. either way you cant lose!

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Originally posted by Goebbel Goebbel possible. i last saw him with that god awful one plus one project, it was really really bad...and the time before that he spent so much time messing with the tracks that people were standing on the dancefloor wondering what to do with themselves.

uhh..listen?

if you want to fist pump all night best bet would be seeing pauly d

Looks like Zabiela wins. Carl Craig is always playing, anyway. He'll be around again before long.

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Originally posted by geroin uhh..listen? if you want to fist pump all night best bet would be seeing pauly d

ehh i can understand what he's saying, though. haven't you ever been out, dancing, and suddenly the dj starts doing something and you sort of stop dancing and think "hmm. can't really dance. what's going on where'd the groove go?". not a fist pumping vs. listening issue.

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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights ehh i can understand what he's saying, though. haven't you ever been out, dancing, and suddenly the dj starts doing something and you sort of stop dancing and think "hmm. can't really dance. what's going on where'd the groove go?". not a fist pumping vs. listening issue.

agreed but it all depends on many factors, who is playing, what kind of vibe it is, what time is he dropping this particular part. I have a hard time believe james zabiela stopped music for 2 minutes to let some melody play but i can see seth troxler or james holden doing that np and it will be good. A lot of times you just have to listen with your ears, dancing is not always mandatory to appreciate a set.

James Zabiela.

When I saw Carl Craig it was nothing but a bunch of crappy white noise, big room Techno interspersed with generic 90's House and Carl Craig classics. Think Dubfire's remix of Spastik into some shitty 200x remix of Good Life.

I used to be huge into Zabiela, but just sort of faded out of his stuff over the last three years or so. To be honest, I haven't heard anything he has done recently, but I've heard great things (see: System-J's reference to his recent EM). Plus, he's technically fantastic.

Definitely Zabiela for no reason except that I've loved his EMs.

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Originally posted by idoru When I saw Carl Craig it was nothing but a bunch of crappy white noise, big room Techno interspersed with generic 90's House and Carl Craig classics. Think Dubfire's remix of Spastik into some shitty 200x remix of Good Life.

Sounds pretty grim. He's playing at some "Ibiza party" in front of a couple of thousand people too, so it will definitely edge towards the big-room stuff.

Thanks for the info, guys. Next time it's a choice of Magda, Mr Scruff or Lee Coombs!

mr scruff can't mix for shit, but fuck is his music a breath of fresh air.

i'll get to the zabiela em. i don't really listen to em's in general because pete tong is a bag of wank, and james hasn't really done anything in the past little while to make me go out of my way. I might eat my crow.

So I listened to the EM...i actually enjoyed parts of it quite a bit. Plur and Bass/Breaks is just not for me i guess.

It would depend on the type of venue for me to know if this is the type of stuff I would want to hear out. In a small place that I would just feel like having a few drinks and a seat sure, but personally it isn't what I would look for if I wanted a night of extended dancing. Then again, I don't know what you tend to do when you go out System. You don't strike me as the dancing type, I could be wrong.

System-J chin-scratches into the wee hours.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J ... Magda...

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Originally posted by Goebbel Goebbel Then again, I don't know what you tend to do when you go out System. You don't strike me as the dancing type, I could be wrong.

You are wrong, although you can believe what you like. Granted I'm not a huge fan of dancing to drum 'n bass, but I'm not afraid of beats that don't go untz-untz-untz-untz at 126bpm all night.

My main worry with Zabiela is that there won't be anywhere to dance. It's at Back2Basics, which is one of the biggest nights in the country and I've had bad experiences with big name DJs filling up superclubs with wankers who stand in circles on the dancefloor and stroppy girls pushing through the crowd constantly looking for their friends.

Like i said before, i simply didn't know if you were the dancer type or not. You have to admit, that in many cases the "think deeply about music" people usually have 2 fingers up their own ass and their feet firmly planted on the floor; albeit from a couch.

I just don't think that Zabiela is the guy to make me want to sweat so much that i have to burn my clothing. It in no ways means he is shit. (just boring )

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Looks like Zabiela wins. Carl Craig is always playing, anyway. He'll be around again before long.

good choice!
and about it being too packed....most likely its gonna be bad....
but JZ is completely worth it! He killed it when i saw him in LA last march.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Sounds pretty grim. He's playing at some "Ibiza party" in front of a couple of thousand people too, so it will definitely edge towards the big-room stuff. Thanks for the info, guys. Next time it's a choice of Magda, Mr Scruff or Lee Coombs!

Skip Carl Craig for all the reasons listed above. Not going to vouch for zabiela though - I cant stand the star wars efx.


As for your other choice... Mr Scruff is awesome. Highly recommended. Great selector

go see carl craig cause he's black.

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