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When will the obsession with "analog" stop?

Years after digital synths, sequencing, and effects have become by far the most common methods of production for electronic musicians, the term "analog" is still used as some kind of Holy Grail description of synthesizer or recording sound. Does this synth or compressor sound "more analog" than that one? Do I need a tape saturator VST to "add some analog feel" to my tunes?

When will this obsession end? When all the synth heads who cut their teeth on prog rock or Jean Michel Jarre finally croak? Or will it ever stop?

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Originally posted by Eric J When Gearslutz.com goes offline forever.

You beat me to it!

Gearslutz should be called Gearcollectorz. None of these idiots actually make music. They all have $3000+ worth of gear and all they do is show off pics of it on a forum

The obsession will go away when digital actually sounds better than analog... which will never happen, so it will never go away

Its fun sometimes to read some threads in there (gearslutz), heh,, take some hits, and then I start reading some mastering threads, is comparable to the experience of watching a sci-fi film.

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Originally posted by vikernes Gearslutz should be called Gearcollectorz. None of these idiots actually make music. They all have $3000+ worth of gear and all they do is show off pics of it on a forum

That's not entirely true. I've been a member there for years, have well over $3K worth of gear, and I've actually finished a song or two. I'm not the only exception.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Years after digital synths, sequencing, and effects have become by far the most common methods of production for electronic musicians, the term "analog" is still used as some kind of Holy Grail description of synthesizer or recording sound. Does this synth or compressor sound "more analog" than that one? Do I need a tape saturator VST to "add some analog feel" to my tunes? When will this obsession end? When all the synth heads who cut their teeth on prog rock or Jean Michel Jarre finally croak? Or will it ever stop?

I have been thinking the same also.

In movies, it's all digital now and when you look at movies such as Avatar, it looks much better than old analog films.

So why do we have not seen the same evolution in audio.

in my case i love the "analog sound" because it reminds me of the classic trance period. It's amazing how with less technology and less sound quality the result was better. Happens with all the human touches usually, really simple things such as meat for example i'm sure was more tasty 500 years ago.

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Originally posted by cryophonik That's not entirely true. I've been a member there for years, have well over $3K worth of gear, and I've actually finished a song or two. I'm not the only exception.

I was over exaggerating a bit of course. I read a lot on the mastering section there - some really smart people who know what they're talking about there. But I mainly meant the EMI section though.

But I remember seeing a thread with studio pics and I swear on every page there was at least 1 guy with B&W 800 series or something similar type speakers. Where do these people get the money?

To me, the biggest problem isn't that people like analog gear. I really don't care that someone else is lusting over a room full of Jupiters, Moogs, Andromedas, or front-end gear, etc. There is a certain mystique and sense of quality to many people regarding analog gear, and I can understand that. Generally speaking, analog gear is well made, so it is usually synonymous with quality, but I think that many people have a natural tendency to over-extend that perception when it comes to its sound. So, the bottom line for me is that if other people want a room full of analog gear, regardless of whether or not they're creating music with it, who am I to question it?

What annoys me is the constant debating over the supposed superiority of analog over digital sound. Blind tests show over and over that most people can't tell the difference and, once it's in the mix (and compressed to mp3), nobody can tell anymore and who the hell cares anyway, other than the person who created it? It's a silly debate.

NO IT'S NOT A SILLY DEBATE, START LIKING WHAT I LIKE

I'd personally take a Roland RE-301 over an RE-20 any day but I don't think it'd actually make a huge difference which one I got. At least not enough to justify spending $800 on the old analog unit instead of the digital.

EDM just attracts a crowd of very, very closed-minded people I guess. Analog vs. digital is just one of countless stupid debates I see constantly discussed here. Ah well.

The listeners don't really care what is used anyway, except autotune perhaps

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Originally posted by Kysora NO IT'S NOT A SILLY DEBATE, START LIKING WHAT I LIKE

Exactly.

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Originally posted by Kysora EDM just attracts a crowd of very, very closed-minded people I guess. Analog vs. digital is just one of countless stupid debates I see constantly discussed here. Ah well.

Yeah, but it's not just here and it's not just the EDM crowd. I'd actually say that TA is pretty mild when it comes to analog vs. digital, especially in comparison to GS and KVR. Those guys get pretty hostile over it.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Yeah, but it's not just here and it's not just the EDM crowd. I'd actually say that TA is pretty mild when it comes to analog vs. digital, especially in comparison to GS and KVR. Those guys get pretty hostile over it.

That's totally true - I've seen some guys have their parentage brought in to question because they suggested some piece of software could be as good as the beloved analogue hardware of yesteryear.

TBH, it's a pointless debate. Avid gear collectors (not avid the brand) will always defend tooth, claw and nail about how much better or real it sounds, yet to 99% of the population (and I daresay GS regulars) they would not tell the difference once it's in the mix.

I actually really don't give a shit either way. both have advantages and disadvantages and what matters way more is who is using the kit and what they get from it.

I've seen people have no.1 hits and make stunning music from notihing but freeware and I've seen the same from guys with $500,000 in vintage analogue gear do the same. By the same token, I've seen so much droos also come from both those parties and everything in between.

analog sounds random. i like to have control.

It's like the debate over vinyl and digital - It's largely a matter of personal preference, and the average person couldn't care less. Regarding the OP, however, I feel like it'll take the same route as vinyl - it'll eventually die out for a while, but then it'll get a big revival as people try to recreate an older, warmer sound.

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Originally posted by Scrittah Regarding the OP, however, I feel like it'll take the same route as vinyl - it'll eventually die out for a while, but then it'll get a big revival as people try to recreate an older, warmer sound.

Isn't that exactly what's happening now?

LEAVE ANALOG ALONE. WHATS NEXT? SIDECHAIN?! FUK!!!

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Originally posted by Rebel Brown Isn't that exactly what's happening now?

I dunno, I wasn't even alive in the 80s. Did analog ever really die out?

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Originally posted by ken_lee analog sounds random. i like to have control.

Good luck with those monitors you bought













/runs

Re: When will the obsession with "analog" stop?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Do I need a tape saturator VST to "add some analog feel" to my tunes?

lol I do that

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Originally posted by Timothy In movies, it's all digital now and when you look at movies such as Avatar, it looks much better than old analog films.

No way. Nothing has surpased the look of Alien 1979 or Predator 1986.

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Originally posted by vikernes Gearslutz should be called Gearcollectorz. None of these idiots actually make music. They all have $3000+ worth of gear and all they do is show off pics of it on a forum

yeah but most of them are engineers, so they polish the music.

Because all of these major companies like Roland would stop making huge sums of money on these overpriced keyboards off of all the brainwashed sheep...baaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh.

/hides

Personally though, having made some stuff with an old moog, I find it really hard to get that sorta sound off of any kind of digital synth...It just seems fatter and more awesome for some reason. *shrug*

Man... some of you are busters. Talking about how well it is going on mp3 so it doesn't matter what you use. There is a time and a place for everything.
Take for example this track.

Produced with real synths in a production room then mixed out on a big board by a professional mix engineer using 50k worth of outboard, hardware reverbs ect then send to mastering studio where a master was made using gml 8200s and 5k m/s processors fairchilds....

Then a record was made. This record that is now quite worn was ripped into a computer using a cheap soundcard then uploaded on youtube. Youtube is 64kbps....
Right here baby...
Peep this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CCIjz1ZXAs

See how good, wide and professional it sounds? ^

Oh yeah what a waste of money all that shit was it is going on mp3 where your cracked software sounds just as good.
Fuck outta here

If you are really talented with potential like msz is, figure out what you need to get your sound closer to the quality that does justice to your talent if you are not it doesn't matter figure out how to write great songs first then you can worry about the technical shit that make no mistake is very important as well.

There.

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