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Posted by djshan on Jan-22-2011 01:58:

who wants to fly with me?

Hey people,

As some of you probably know i am a pilot!!! yeh, a pilot! I fly out of brampton airport (i am a flight instructor) I trained one of the dj's on TA how to fly. Ill ask him if i can mention his name before i post here. Oh, and i have over 1000 hours flight time.

Unfortunately, it has been very slow for the last year for flying due to low demand for flight training and winter weather. I was planning on flying for fun this spring/summer (going sightseeing, etc.) and was wondering if anyone here would like to come along with me. the cost is roughly 140 to 150/hr ... if i can get 2 people, then you can split it half (75 each) If there are 3 people, even cheaper. However, with 3 people (sometimes even 2), we will be restricted with fuel capacity due to weight and balance limits, meaning we cant go far without making fuel stops on the way. please let me know if anyone is interested, drop a pm or post in the thread. The aircraft is a cessna 172, (picture below) I will give more info once we get in touch. See you all at PVD next weekend!


Posted by jad on Jan-22-2011 11:14:

Ahh that's so cool! I was pulled up by one of those when I went gliding. I need to learn how to fly one one day.


Posted by VDub on Jan-22-2011 14:11:

quote:
Originally posted by jad
Ahh that's so cool! I was pulled up by one of those when I went gliding. I need to learn how to fly one one day.




Where did you go gliding??


Posted by VDub on Jan-22-2011 14:18:

That's a pretty good way to build hours in renting rides...

Passengers pay for the ride, pilot builds hours..

Dude you should go go Ft McMurray when you get your commercial..

A buddy of mine is there working on the ramp, making 70k fueling planes, and flying bush part time just filling his log book...

You'll never build enough hours here unless you get a gig instructing...


Posted by VERTiG0 on Jan-22-2011 18:22:

Holy shit this is awesome


Posted by smuncky on Jan-22-2011 20:35:

where do you usually fly to?


Posted by Ozmozis on Jan-22-2011 20:43:

I'd actually be down for this!


Posted by Pett on Jan-22-2011 22:08:

If you had a water plane and could drop me off at the cottage on a long weekend I would so be in!


Posted by jad on Jan-22-2011 22:08:

quote:
Originally posted by VDub
Where did you go gliding??


Just west of Hamilton. Here's their site: SOSA Gliding Club


Posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* on Jan-22-2011 23:19:

Would you fly me btwn Windsor-Toronto?


Posted by VDub on Jan-23-2011 00:00:

quote:
Originally posted by jad
Just west of Hamilton. Here's their site: SOSA Gliding Club


I learned at York Soaring up near Arthur...

Gliding is absolutely the best...


Posted by Zyklon_Jay on Jan-23-2011 00:02:

your wife works at Lansdowne and Bloor?


Posted by jad on Jan-23-2011 00:11:

quote:
Originally posted by VDub
I learned York Soaring up near Arthur...

Gliding is absolutely the best...


Nothing like it. Especially if you go on a clear breezy day and the the air currents keep you up for hours. Do you fly on your own? If so how long did it take you to learn?


Posted by failsafe on Jan-23-2011 02:48:

I did the instructing thing too many moons ago. I quit and went up north to find work. Pickle Lake, Sioux Lookout, Fort McMurray, Buffalow Narrows. Finally back down in the real world. The ride was fun and learned a crap load up there. Waiting for jobs to come to you as a cream puff instructor is the quickest way to add an extra half decade until get a airline job unfortunately.

Good luck dude.


Posted by VDub on Jan-23-2011 02:53:

quote:
Originally posted by jad
Nothing like it. Especially if you go on a clear breezy day and the the air currents keep you up for hours. Do you fly on your own? If so how long did it take you to learn?


I did the full six week course when I was 16...

I had my glider license before my drivers...

Only been up a few times since though.. It was too expensive for me at the time...

Last time I was up was in '97 up at York...

I did a 4 hour flight riding the mountain wave in Chile in '91...

That was pretty incredible...


Posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* on Jan-23-2011 04:43:

quote:
[b]Originally posted by failsafe [/bWaiting for jobs to come to you as a cream puff instructor is the quickest way to add an extra half decade until get a airline job unfortunately.

Good luck dude.


is it true that airline pilots are some of the worst paid jobs? I've heard that a couple of times. You'd think they'd get paid a lot for that job!


Posted by djshan on Jan-23-2011 06:52:

quote:
Originally posted by jad
Ahh that's so cool! I was pulled up by one of those when I went gliding. I need to learn how to fly one one day.


Glad to hear that my friend. Feel free to take lessons (from me, lol) anytime.

quote:
Originally posted by VDub
Passengers pay for the ride, pilot builds hours..

Dude you should go go Ft McMurray when you get your commercial..

A buddy of mine is there working on the ramp, making 70k fueling planes, and flying bush part time just filling his log book...

You'll never build enough hours here unless you get a gig instructing...


1. Passengers also have a good time..

2. Working ramp is not my thing, but i wish your freind good luck. 70 K for ramp is more than what pilots get paid, lol. I doubt its 70 k, you might want to check with him about that.

3. I have a commercial pilot license (CPL). A CPL entitles you to make money when you fly. With other licenses, you arent allowed to make money. Instructing is also considered commercial becuase the instructor gets "paid" to teach. As a matter of fact, in Canada, you need to have a commercial license to get your flight instructor license (we call it rating).

quote:
Originally posted by smuncky
where do you usually fly to?


Well, 95 % of my job involves teaching flying lessons. Therfore, i just fly local to our practice area. Once in a while I get to go different places, but these days its rare. The farthest ive flown myself was from brampton to quebec city, with stops in ottawa and montreal enroute. The farthest ive flown west is Sarnia (i think).

quote:
Originally posted by Ozm�zis
I'd actually be down for this!


Just drop a pm whenever your ready, Also, it would help if you can find more people (friends/family, etc.) I look forward to it

quote:
Originally posted by Pett
If you had a water plane and could drop me off at the cottage on a long weekend I would so be in!


I wish i could but unfortuantely im not qualified to fly on water planes (float planes). A pilot has to have a certain number of hours on those types before he/she can take people up. Im not a fan of water planes anyways, i wanna fly boeings.. lol

quote:
Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
Would you fly me btwn Windsor-Toronto?


The origin is brampton.... from there, we can go anywhere.... most people like to do downtown toronto city tours (fly around cn tower)... ive done those many times. But, like i said, we can go anywhere, as long as there is an airport to land at... and, you asking windsor to toronto or toronto to windsor?? toronto to windsor would work, the other way around, well.... its gonna cost some $$

quote:
Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
is it true that airline pilots are some of the worst paid jobs? I've heard that a couple of times. You'd think they'd get paid a lot for that job!


when you start new in the industry, expect to get paid shit. Its a loong road before you start making the big bucks. In some cases, you might be with a company for 8-9 years making say 90 to 100 K, but then air canada calls you and you will have to start at 37K for the first year, and it increases slightly each year... These days (in canada), you get paid well when youve been with a company for a looooong time, say 6-10 years??


Posted by Abercrombie on Jan-23-2011 17:22:

Do I remember asking you a few years ago if you take couples up discretely to join "the club"?


Posted by FunkyCrew on Jan-23-2011 19:57:

quote:
Originally posted by smuncky
where do you usually fly to?


let's go!


Posted by VDub on Jan-23-2011 20:33:

Yup he's making that much fueling planes in the Fort. Ppl are making insane money up there and yes his ramp job is paying him a lot more than his flying gig. But he's building hours and thats the important thing.

It is true that pilots make dismal amounts when they're starting out. Most small companies, PemAir (still in business?) for example, where paying their Beechcraft pilots only for actual flight time and it was around $20 an hour. This was about 15 years ago..

But when you're a die hard pilot with goals of that left seat on an airliner, you suck it up and work for peanuts at first...

The end result is well worth the effort..


Posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* on Jan-23-2011 21:02:

quote:
Originally posted by djshan
The origin is brampton.... from there, we can go anywhere.... most people like to do downtown toronto city tours (fly around cn tower)... ive done those many times. But, like i said, we can go anywhere, as long as there is an airport to land at... and, you asking windsor to toronto or toronto to windsor?? toronto to windsor would work, the other way around, well.... its gonna cost some $$


How much would it cost for you to fly me from Toronto to Windsor? (Whitby to Windsor would be even better, but I could deal with Toronto).


Posted by malek on Jan-24-2011 02:29:

If you ever come to Montreal let me know, I want to do some aerial photography.

Can windows be opened to let a lense through?


Posted by failsafe on Jan-24-2011 03:18:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RayMaswju1A


To get to those level of jobs in Canada you're investing about 60k of your own money into training, which takes usually 2-3 years to complete. After which you'll work within the industry making almost certainly less than 15k for the next 3-7 years. And after your 60k investment and time suffering in pickle lake you'll start there in hopes of making it to an airline. 2-8 years at a job like that, and you'll be considered by airlines like Air Canada or WestJet.

When I interviewed with Air Canada they were hiring 1/3 of interviewees.
So after your decade of trying to pay off your 60k of debt while working well below the poverty line, you're looking at a 1/3 shot of getting a job that you want. If you fail at the interviews then you can write off the decade and a half you just spent getting there.

It's a tough row to hoe.


Posted by djshan on Jan-24-2011 08:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Abercrombie
Do I remember asking you a few years ago if you take couples up discretely to join "the club"?


haha... i dont remember anything about taking couples up... but i did ask people to come along with me in flight, back when i was building flight time toward my CPL.


Posted by djshan on Jan-24-2011 08:32:

quote:
Originally posted by VDub

It is true that pilots make dismal amounts when they're starting out. Most small companies, PemAir (still in business?) for example, where paying their Beechcraft pilots only for actual flight time and it was around $20 an hour. This was about 15 years ago..

But when you're a die hard pilot with goals of that left seat on an airliner, you suck it up and work for peanuts at first...

The end result is well worth the effort..


Agreed on the first point.

If only pilots could say "no" to low paying jobs, then the situation might be different. But sadly, some dont mind paying the company to fly.


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