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God, I'm a ****ing idiot.

I just randomly downloaded Winamp today since I'm getting rather tired of iTunes. Every time I export a new version of a track I'm working on, something I have to do constantly because I literally can't listen to the track in my DAW due to memory shortages, it'll end the song at the point where the earliest version of the track used to end. So if I export a track as "untitled", and it's 45 seconds long, then do it again with the same name, it won't play past 45 seconds. Unless I skip ahead, but then it starts playing only at 46 seconds onward. Kind of annoying.

Anyway, my songs sound completely different in Winamp. The bass is louder and my music sounds horribly muddy. I think iTunes colors the sound in some way, even though I've never touched the EQ settings.

I have Audacity but never really had much use for it since all of my mixing and mastering is done in FL, but doing a quick listen with both that and Windows Media Player, they all sound very different from iTunes. I don't know if it's my settings or not but if anyone's using that as a reference it's probably a bad idea.

Sorry for the rant, not really sure what there is to discuss about this, but fucking hell this is annoying. My music is always being called muddy and I've never been able to hear it before. My mixes sound fucking awful outside of iTunes. Don't use it.

I wouldn't call you an idiot.

Wonder what the difference is...

winamp has a built in EQ.. did you see if it was enabled?

Itunes also has built in EQ... Maybe that's enabled.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Itunes also has built in EQ... Maybe that's enabled.

that.

Itunes colours music quite a bit as far as I can tell.

Even the player is a bit odd, doesnt work with different earphones, and the ipod earphones sound weird in any other device.

I don't use iTunes normally, but my parents both do.

When I visit them I download some stuff to listen to on my dad's computer, and it always sounds abnormal to me (even with my usual headphones). Guess this is why.

After I've bounced a track down, and I want to listen to it critically, whilst A/B'ing it to a commercial reference track, I will always do it in Soundforge. I just don't trust iTunes, Winamp, Windows Media Player etc etc.

I listen to mine in Media player with no EQ on it.

I've compared its visual EQ to how it is in FL and its generally the same.

There's nothing wrong with the playback quality in iTunes. If you notice a clear difference between the two players then there has to be an equalizer or enhancer turned on in at least one of them.

These features might be useful when you have crap speakers and only listen to music but as producers we need to hear the music exactly as it is. Not just your own music but that of others as well or you'll have no reference.

In iTunes turn off the equalizer and also switch off Sound Enhancer and Sound Check. It will then playback the music as it is.
Winamp has similar features so these should be turned off too if you want to properly judge the music.

for reference comparison , best way for me is to load up Traktor , load my track and the reference track and cross-fade between them , this is by far the best way .

disable all of these.

Yeah I know about the EQ and sound enhancer, turns out the EQ was activated after all. I don't remember ever messing with it before but the bass frequencies were at about half volume. I don't know why the hell anyone would do that.

What a stupid mistake. Three damned years of listening to my music thinking the bass was quieter than it really was. No wonder my tracks always sounded bass-heavy on other systems.

Ugh.

i cant believe what im reading lol

edit: the most correct threadtitle-award goes to you haha

edit2: why do you even preview your songs in iTunes only? use quicktime or something else more instant, iTunes is the worst prog ever for instant random mp3s and shit. use Preview or even just the fileexplorer.

Just for fun try foobar 2000

There is something else to also be aware of. If you are using Windows 7, ensure that "Disable all Enhancements" is checked in the properties section for your audio device as it totally messes with your sound. For the longest time I couldn't figure out why all the music I was listening to on my PC sounded strange and colored. You have to dig a bit to find it. Here is a screenshot:

Thanks, I'm planning on upgrading to 7 soon so I'll keep an eye out for that

yeah in windows 7 it was hell to find out. had a problem at a friends house some weeks ago, had to dive all kinds of places into things, probably due to the shitty internal soundcard software. but its pretty easy to hear when something like that is going on, and thats whats makes this thread a little lol. you should have noticed that it was different from when u where making it. ESPECIALLY since its you making it.

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Originally posted by Kysora Yeah I know about the EQ and sound enhancer, turns out the EQ was activated after all. I don't remember ever messing with it before but the bass frequencies were at about half volume. I don't know why the hell anyone would do that. What a stupid mistake. Three damned years of listening to my music thinking the bass was quieter than it really was. No wonder my tracks always sounded bass-heavy on other systems. Ugh.

This is a common problem when mixing with headphones.

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Originally posted by ken_lee you should have noticed that it was different from when u where making it. ESPECIALLY since its you making it.

I don't think you get it, I literally can't listen to my tracks in the DAW as I'm mixing. Any part of the song that has more than 4 or 5 layers has so much latency and clipping that it runs at about 20-40 BPM, and there's so much noise I can't accurately hear anything. I export new versions of the track every few bars or any time I add a new synth just so I can hear what the hell I'm doing. I do this at least 50 or so times before the song is done. And I've always used iTunes for that, giving me a bad reference of what I'm doing the whole time.

I used to that have that problem before. I would bounce the CPU intensive sounds into wav and it really has not given me any problems.

And then I got a new computer.

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Originally posted by Kysora I don't think you get it, I literally can't listen to my tracks in the DAW as I'm mixing. Any part of the song that has more than 4 or 5 layers has so much latency and clipping that it runs at about 20-40 BPM, and there's so much noise I can't accurately hear anything. I export new versions of the track every few bars or any time I add a new synth just so I can hear what the hell I'm doing. I do this at least 50 or so times before the song is done. And I've always used iTunes for that, giving me a bad reference of what I'm doing the whole time.

you have a few options from here: learn to bounce or work more effective (less instruments), buy a new computer or get a new hobby.

im shocked anyone work like this, its really fucking retarded. its like painting in blind and watching the result afterwards.

edit: seriously, get a grip!

Re: God, I'm a ****ing idiot.

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Originally posted by Kysora I just randomly downloaded Winamp today since I'm getting rather tired of iTunes. Every time I export a new version of a track I'm working on, something I have to do constantly because I literally can't listen to the track in my DAW due to memory shortages, it'll end the song at the point where the earliest version of the track used to end. So if I export a track as "untitled", and it's 45 seconds long, then do it again with the same name, it won't play past 45 seconds. Unless I skip ahead, but then it starts playing only at 46 seconds onward. Kind of annoying. Anyway, my songs sound completely different in Winamp. The bass is louder and my music sounds horribly muddy. I think iTunes colors the sound in some way, even though I've never touched the EQ settings. I have Audacity but never really had much use for it since all of my mixing and mastering is done in FL, but doing a quick listen with both that and Windows Media Player, they all sound very different from iTunes. I don't know if it's my settings or not but if anyone's using that as a reference it's probably a bad idea. Sorry for the rant, not really sure what there is to discuss about this, but fucking hell this is annoying. My music is always being called muddy and I've never been able to hear it before. My mixes sound fucking awful outside of iTunes. Don't use it.

try quicktime?

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