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Are there any dance tunes that use a different time sig for the break?(like 5/4, 3/4)

I would like to try something different with the break and I need ideas on how to go about it. I guess the easiest thing would to do a waltz kind of thing.

Re: Are there any dance tunes that use a different time sig for the break?(like 5/4, 3/4)

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Originally posted by Beatflux I would like to try something different with the break and I need ideas on how to go about it. I guess the easiest thing would to do a waltz kind of thing.

I don't think so.
5/4, 3/4?
I all ways use 4/4 for edm.
what about a 1/4 for a brake?

I'm totally with ATX, 1/4 sounds mint. Very mnml.

No there are no tracks that use anything other than 4/4 that I know of anywhere except for maybe tracks by trofonic, aphex twin, etc... Its an IDM thing mainly.

there are tracks in 3/4 but thats about it, like the dark side.
alot of dubstep also uses main elements in 3/4 like the baseline but all the drums still claims the sig is 4/4 after all.

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Originally posted by ken_lee there are tracks in 3/4 but thats about it, like the dark side. alot of dubstep also uses main elements in 3/4 like the baseline but all the drums still claims the sig is 4/4 after all.

Do you have any examples of this? I can't help but suspect that you're thinking of "triplets" instead of 3/4 time.

you might actually be right. see "The Dark Side" and correct me if im wrong, i dont really know much about shit like this (well i know a whole lot about rhytm, but not terms). Halucinogen has also experimented with this, yotutube "Me Looney Um". Also for inspiration start listen to Tool (metal).

7/4 is pretty useable in breaks, I did it in two of my earlier songs. The only real trouble is trying to go back to 4/4 afterwards, unless you want the break to have elements in it that aren't anywhere else in the track.

Could you post em?

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Originally posted by david.michael I can't help but suspect that you're thinking of "triplets" instead of 3/4 time.

Yeah, I'm sure that's the case. Also, adding enough swing to your groove can make it sound like it's in compound quadruple meter (e.g., 12/8) by making the second (i.e., swung) 8th-note that is not on the beat sound like it is on the "a" of a triplet, as in:

ONE-and-a-TWO-and-a-THREE-and-a-FOUR-and-a....

If you add enough swing to a straight 8th-note pattern, the groove will take on this triplet feel, although only the notes falling on the beat (i.e., ONE, TWO, THREE, and FOUR) and the "a"s will be sounding, whereas the "ands" will be implied, as in:

ONE-_-a-TWO-_-a-THREE-_-a-FOUR-_-a....

then i truly wonder what 3/4 is. when i put the timesig in Reason to 3/4 this is exaclty the result i get which you describe above.
3/4 in my head means 3 16ths each beat in a 4 beat bar.
which is ompapa ompapa ompapa ompapa.

Well what he described is not 3/4 so, that's probably not the case

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Originally posted by ken_lee then i truly wonder what 3/4 is. when i put the timesig in Reason to 3/4 this is exaclty the result i get which you describe above. 3/4 in my head means 3 16ths each beat in a 4 beat bar. which is ompapa ompapa ompapa ompapa.

The primary difference is in the number of beats in each bar. 3/4 has three beats per measure and the downbeat is *usually* accented:

ONE Two Three | ONE Two Three | ONE Two Three....
(that's three measures of 3/4 time - think waltz)

12/8 time has four beats per measure, with each beat subdivided into three triplet 8th-notes each, as I described above (ONE-and-a-TWO-and-a-THREE-and-a-FOUR-and-a).

thanks!! so what im actually meaning is 12/8 then on that "The Dark Side" track. please confirm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjOu...feature=related

because of the speed of the triplets and the quarter note pulse, would still call it 4/4

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Originally posted by ken_lee thanks!! so what im actually meaning is 12/8 then on that "The Dark Side" track. please confirm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjOu...feature=related

Yeah, that's exactly what I was talking about with my first post. There are 4 beats per measure (just like in common 4/4 time), but it has a triplet feel. If you listen to the part at 0:45, you'll hear the 12/8 time perfectly.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad because of the speed of the triplets and the quarter note pulse, would still call it 4/4

True, you could do it either way - 4/4 time with triplets on everything, or 12/8 time.

edit: actually, in hindsight, I sorta disagree. From a lister's perspective, yes, you can get the same result using either time signature. But, from a performer's or composer's/sequencer's perspective, I think 12/8 makes more sense because the entire track has a triplet feel, so I think it makes more sense to present it (or sequence it) without triplet bars on virtually everything. From a performer's perspective, if a song maintains a triplet feel throughout, I find it much cleaner to read a 12/8 chart, regardless of the tempo, compared to 4/4 with triplet bars everywhere. Occasional triplet bars are fine when the song is primarily broken down into even-notes (e.g., 8th, 16th, 32nd), but a distraction when the entire track is broken out into triplets. Just my opinion. YMMV.

Dubstep and DnB use different structures over the 4/4, you can find 6/8 percussions for example

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Originally posted by cryophonik True, you could do it either way - 4/4 time with triplets on everything, or 12/8 time. edit: actually, in hindsight, I sorta disagree. From a lister's perspective, yes, you can get the same result using either time signature. But, from a performer's or composer's/sequencer's perspective, I think 12/8 makes more sense because the entire track has a triplet feel, so I think it makes more sense to present it (or sequence it) without triplet bars on virtually everything. From a performer's perspective, if a song maintains a triplet feel throughout, I find it much cleaner to read a 12/8 chart, regardless of the tempo, compared to 4/4 with triplet bars everywhere. Occasional triplet bars are fine when the song is primarily broken down into even-notes (e.g., 8th, 16th, 32nd), but a distraction when the entire track is broken out into triplets. Just my opinion. YMMV.

You don't have to notate every triplet if they repeat so technically it is simpler to read the 4/4 and at that speed you aren't counting the subdivision so it will also reflect how you are reading it.

Pretty much all popular music, including "underground" music like EDM, is done in 4/4. The human sub-conciousness is trained to expect music in patterns of four. Four beats per bar, four bars per transition.

BT made a really cool track that transitions from one time signature to another. Dynamic Symmetry on This Binary Universe. It made for an awesome effect and it really throws off the listener. BUT, being thrown off when you're in a club is not something that normally works well. But I'm sure it can be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7JiCZvJh5Q I believe it goes from 3/3 to 4/4 at 8:36. Really awesome. But keep in mind that this entire album is more art than music (IMO).

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad You don't have to notate every triplet if they repeat so technically it is simpler to read the 4/4 and at that speed you aren't counting the subdivision so it will also reflect how you are reading it.

Yeah, that's a good point. In hindsight, compositions like "Moonlight Sonata" were written in 4/4 and, just looking at a few examples of sheet music for it on the web, it looks like many/most of them don't use any triplet bars at all. Regardless, it's mostly just an academic issue, but my tiny brain has an easier time adapting 12/8, etc. to triplet patterns compared to 4/4.

just convention really. THere is no logical reason for alot of the rules but it is something you do because performers expect it. For example, Jazz, you would notate the rhythms as straight 8ths and the performer would swing them making the notation easier to write and read. You would only see a triplet if the stab or melody was on the 2nd triplet.

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Originally posted by alanzo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7JiCZvJh5Q I believe it goes from 3/3 to 4/4 at 8:36.

No it doesn't. It just doubles in time or tempo, depending on your POV. 3/3 time doesn't really exist in practice - 3 3rd-notes? Maybe M4B can enlighten us, but I sure as hell have never seen it.

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Originally posted by alanzo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7JiCZvJh5Q I believe it goes from 3/3 to 4/4 at 8:36. Really awesome. But keep in mind that this entire album is more art than music (IMO).

both sections have a 4 note pulse, in jazz, it is just called cut time and it is just twice as fast. 3/3 is not a time signature.

As far as popular music being in 4/4 i would say in the last 50 years yes but 3/4 was probably just as popular before that. And small metric deviations like adding a beat here or taking one there is rather common in pop up to maybe 2000 when that shit rnb started popping up.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad both sections have a 4 note pulse, in jazz, it is just called cut time and it is just twice as fast. 3/3 is not a time signature.

I was never much of a performer and I obviously only work in 4/4.

My solarism track in its original mix is in 6/4 all the way.

SOLARISM ON BEATPORT

Also there's notice of eviction, but you can't really describe it as dance:

Notice of Eviction on Beatport

Timestop also:

Beatport link

ah and forgot this

Nothing's Slave

Forgive the Beatport links instead of youtube's, the master owner claimed all the right and got the fan videos removed, even mine.

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