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What are your thoughts on illegal immigration, especially when it comes to something like this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...E76O6FV20110725

I'm curious to see how North Americans respond vs. Europeans. Kiwi's I guess too. but you don't really have "borders" per-say

I enjoy eating fruit.

It is private funded scholarships, they are free to do whatever they want.

Also illegal immigrants that are trying to better themselves is a good thing.

They're cracking down here in the UK on foreign students because many Indians have exploited the rules, come over on a student visa, then not attended the school & disappeared not to be seen again.

Make it legal immigration. Problem solved.

I live in california/little mexico and I think we should just legalize the majority that have clean records but....make them pay a fine/tax/fee whatever over the course of say 5 years. Take it out of their paychecks, the state gets much needed money and the illegals become legal.

Or....kick them all out and make the lazy Americans who want to live off the system do the jobs that only illegals will do. Impossible to do but I can dream.

Like the article says at the end of college they are still illegal immigrants.

Question for people from California. Is illegal immagrant students the majority in schools or just a few per grade or it just depends on where.

You don't need a permit to go from South Dakota to North Dakota. Likewise, I don't see why it should be illegal to move from South America to North America. If bureacracy gets on the way, fix the laws, not the people.

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Originally posted by Lira You don't need a permit to go from South Dakota to North Dakota. Likewise, I don't see why it should be illegal to move from South America to North America. If bureacracy gets on the way, fix the laws, not the people.

reciprocal bureaucracy sir. Americans require Brazilians to have visas, ergo Americans need visas to travel to Brazil.

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Question for people from California. Is illegal immagrant students the majority in schools or just a few per grade or it just depends on where.

the majority of students in CA universities are Asians/Latinos. I would imagine the ones that immigrated did so legally because I don't think you can attend a CA university without legal residence.

I'm in support of anything that helps illegal immigrants who want and choose to better themselves, while of course contributing to their communities and the country that they live in.

These are privately funded scholarships. There's really nothing to argue here.

I don't support anyone who doesn't at least try to be productive and better themselves. This includes illegal immigrants, and citizens who mooch off of the system and collect tax dollars for doing absolutely nothing.

There's absolutely no excuses to be healthy and able and not willing to try to be productive in American society. There's just too many options out there. Those who say there isn't have either a) not looked far enough, or b) don't possess the genetic coding involved in getting the fuck up and doing something with themselves.

I was in this position before. I was in the US army, got kicked out, had nothing going for me and asked myself what I was going to do. I could have easily sat on my ass and collected some bullshit disability, but how the hell could I without feeling guilt and shame for living in a country that still presents the opportunities that we do. Anyways, I did something that I never thought I would do, go to college. It turned out to be the smartest move I could have made considering the economy and job crisis. I've digressed, sorry.

i think that it should be illegal.

not a smart-ass remark,
think about that for a minute.

I support legalizing those that "want" to progress and do good instead of becoming part of gangs.

i liked it better when Citizens had more rights and opportunities then illegals.

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Originally posted by Lira You don't need a permit to go from South Dakota to North Dakota. Likewise, I don't see why it should be illegal to move from South America to North America. If bureacracy gets on the way, fix the laws, not the people.

there are only 100 people that live in north AND south dakota.
besides, no one else wants to go there.

VAR, its private scholarships, you didn't have any more right to them than an illegal in the first place.

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Originally posted by VAR i liked it better when Citizens had more rights and opportunities then illegals.

I'm sure they'd like to live in a country free from the instability created by our drug laws and drug habits. Unfortunately, living in ours is the next best solution.

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Originally posted by Lira You don't need a permit to go from South Dakota to North Dakota. Likewise, I don't see why it should be illegal to move from South America to North America. If bureacracy gets on the way, fix the laws, not the people.

Surely you jest...

Immigrants who have something to contribute are an asset to be exploited. Programs like this one help maximize the value of that asset.

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Originally posted by phyrrus reciprocal bureaucracy sir. Americans require Brazilians to have visas, ergo Americans need visas to travel to Brazil.

I never said it was any better the other way around - my bad for not adding the words "and vice-versa" afterwards. For all I care, no one should need a visa to enter this country... there are loads of Bolivians employed as slaves near our borders, for example. I'd rather see them being treated the way I would, paying their taxes and being able to benefit from services such as public health and education, than as beasts who are barely seen as human by their employers.

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Originally posted by VDub Surely you jest...

No, I don't. This is one of the few things I wouldn't joke about.

Edit: On second thought, I'd probably joke about this as well

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I'm sure they'd like to live in a country free from the instability created by our drug laws and drug habits.

Yep, not to mention the poverty caused as a result of NAFTA...

Can i add that i became a citizen and i hate this fucking country. The people are beyond dumb. The weather sucks where i live (it kinda sucks everywhere). I cant have a maid because its so fucking expensive etc etc etc.

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Originally posted by VAR i liked it better when Citizens had more rights and opportunities then illegals.

THIS

Regular citizens are already paying an arm and a leg just to attend college here in this state. Why should they have to pay so much when illegals get a pass?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...e_n_899394.html

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The University of California, one of the country's largest and most respected higher education systems, raised tuition Thursday by another 9.6 percent for the upcoming school year in response to a sharp reduction in government support. The $1,068 hike passed by the Board of Regents came on top of a previously approved 8 percent hike for 2011-2012. Incoming UCLA junior Alex Jreisat, who is transferring from a community college, said the latest increase will force him and other students to borrow more money and go deeper into debt. "It's already putting me in an uncomfortable situation financially," said Jreisat. a 21-year-old anthropology major who traveled to San Francisco to speak at the board meeting. "It's tragic that the regents keep balancing the budget on the backs of students ... It's a shame that the state has to put the regents in that position." Undergraduate and graduate tuition for California residents will jump to $12,192 a year, which doesn't include room, board and roughly $1,000 in campus fees. That's $1,890, or 18 percent, more than the amount UC undergraduates paid in the previous academic year and more than three times what they paid a decade ago. About one-third of the estimated $216 million in new tuition revenue will be used for financial aid. Out-of-state and international students will pay about $36,000 in annual tuition. The UC system's move came just two days after the separate California State University system decided to raise tuition by 12 percent on top of a previously approved 10 percent increase. That system has 23 campuses and about 412,000 students.

This is ridiculous. If illegals can get free tuition and private scholarships, then legal citizens should too. This state gets stupider as each year passes. Maybe they oughta fix their own budget problems before attracting all the illegals over here.

Y'all make very valid points. i am always for people that want to better themselves and contribute to the community/state/nation.

on the other hand;

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/ille...ory?id=10699317

http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?pa...ws_iv_ctrl=1741

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Originally posted by VAR Y'all make very valid points. i am always for people that want to better themselves and contribute to the community/state/nation. on the other hand; http://abcnews.go.com/Business/ille...ory?id=10699317 http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?pa...ws_iv_ctrl=1741

Can you cite something other than a conservative think tank?

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Can you cite something other than a conservative think tank?

is there such a thing as a liberal think tank?

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