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MOSCOW � A Russian jet carrying a local hockey team crashed Wednesday while taking off in western Russia, killing 36 people and leaving one critically injured, officials said. The Russian Emergency Situations Ministry said the Yak-42 crashed immediately after taking off from an airport near the city of Yaroslavl, on the Volga River, 240 kilometres northeast of Moscow. It said one person survived the crash with grave injuries. The ministry said the plane was carrying the Lokomotiv hockey team from Yaroslavl. The team was heading to Minsk, the capital of Belarus, where it was to play Thursday against Dinamo Minsk in the opening game of the season of the Continental Hockey League. The CHL is a league of several ex-Soviet countries. Prime Minister Vladimir Putin immediately sent his transport minister to the site of the crash, 15 kilometres east of Yaroslavl. Former NHLers on the team roster include Pavol Demitra and Ruslan Salei and the coach in Canadian Brad McCrimmon. But it was not known whether they were on board the plane. McCrimmon, 52, is a native of Saskatchewan. He played defence for six NHL teams -- Boston, Philadelphia, Calgary, Detroit, Hartford and Phoenix from 1979-80 to 1996-97. He played 1,222 regular season games in the NHL, collecting 81 goals, 322 assists and 1,416 penalty minutes. McCrimmon was an assistant coach with the New York Islanders, Calgary Flames, Atlanta Thrashers and Detroit Red Wings. He also served as head coach of the Western Hockey League's Saskatoon Blades. The short- and medium-range Yak-42 has been in service since 1980 and dozens are still in service with Russian and other airlines. In June, another Russian passenger jet crashed in the northwestern city of Petrozavodsk, killing 47 people. The crash of that Tu-134 plane has been blamed on pilot error. President Dmitry Medvedev has announced plans to take aging Soviet-built planes out of service starting next year.

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yeah, just caught that just now.

Last year was a golden year for hockey: Olympics, Original Six wins Cup, etc. This year hockey has been cursed it seems, from its top player having concussion issues to the Van riots to these deaths.

With the amount of flying in pro sports, I'm a bit surprised it hasn't happen sooner.

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MOSCOW � At least 44 people were killed Wednesday when a Russian jet carrying hockey players to their first match of the season crashed on takeoff in the latest blow to the country�s tainted air safety record. The Yak-42 passenger jet took off from Yaroslavl airport about 300 kilometres northeast of Moscow just as a two-day political forum expected to be attended by President Dmitry Medvedev got under way. A source told Interfax that the plane suddenly start listing to the left and crashed about 500 metres away from the Tunoshna airport. �According to the latest data, there were 45 people on board � 37 passengers and eight crew. Forty-four people died in the crash and one person survived,� a police official told the RIA Novosti news agency. The local emergencies ministry said the jet was taking members of the Lokomotiv Yaroslavl ice hockey team to the Belarus capital Minsk for the their first match of the 2011-2012 season. The team is coached by Canadian Brad McCrimmon and has several foreign players on the roster posted on its website. Former NHL star Pavol Demitra�s agent, Matt Keator, confirmed to the Associated Press that his client was one of the players killed in the crash. �This is just awful,� Keator said. �He was such a popular guy with everyone he has ever played with.� The Czech Republic�s Josef Vasicek, Jan Marek and Karel Rachunek, as well as Swedish Olympic champion Stefan Liv have also been confirmed to have died in the crash. Two accidents involving Tu-134 and An-24 jets this summer that killed a total 54 people prompted Medvedev to call for most of the aircraft to be retired by January 1 and the rest taken out in subsequent months. But that move was followed by a series of smaller air accidents as well as a Volga River boat disaster that killed 122 people who were taking a pleasure cruise. The accidents have tarnished Medvedev�s vision of a modern Russia that he promotes in messages ahead of presidential elections next year that can be also contested by Vladimir Putin � his more nationalist mentor and prime minister. Medvedev was due to speak at the forum on Thursday and sent his top political adviser Vladislav Surkov to the scene of the disaster. A Kremlin spokeswoman said Medvedev himself would arrive in Yaroslavl later Wednesday. Conference participants also held a minute of silence while the country�s hockey season kicked off with a somber message from the deputy head of Gazprom � the company that sponsors Russia�s Continental Hockey League (KHL). �I propose that we honour the memory of the dead with a minute of silence,� Gazprom number two Alexander Medvedev said at the season opening in the Ural Mountains city of Ufa. The match was later abandoned to applause from the crowd. Three-time Russian champion Lokomotiv Yaroslavl was founded in 1959 and last won the country�s title in 2002 �I am at the airport right now,� the team�s general manager Yury Lukin told the R-Sport news agency. �I do not know what they are saying on the news, but things here are very serious,� he said. The start of Russia�s ice hockey league has been delayed in the wake of Wednesday�s crash. Lokomotiv Yaroslavl were scheduled to start their new KHL season on Thursday with a match at Minsk against local side Dynamo. The club, which was founded in 1959, won the Russian title in 1997, 2002 and 2003, clinching the league�s silver medal in 2008 and 2009. Yaroslavl also won bronze medals of the Russian league in 1998, 1999, 2005 and 2011

At least a couple Russian players who represented their country in 2010 Winter Olympics were on that plane.

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Originally posted by Spin Laden Last year was a golden year for hockey: Olympics, Original Six wins Cup, etc. This year hockey has been cursed it seems, from its top player having concussion issues to the Van riots to these deaths.

Don't forget the 3 enforcer deaths in the last few months and the now stronger than ever "get fighting out of hockey" argument...

yup, that's what I meant by deaths. Heck, proponents may lump the Probert death in there too.

RIP

the reports of who was on the plane/survived are super confusing for now..

apparently one guy left for Minsk a day earlier

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Originally posted by Spin Laden With the amount of flying in pro sports, I'm a bit surprised it hasn't happen sooner.

You sound like George Constanza

GEORGE: But if you think about it...26 teams, 162 games a season, you'd think eventually an entire team would get wiped out.
Episode 34 - The Boyfriend

I hump my pillow thinking about Marrissa Tomei as well

Note to self. Never fly on a russian airline

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Originally posted by Ferg Note to self. Never fly on a russian airline

i flew on russian airline many times and its not any worse than any other airline.

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Originally posted by Ferg Note to self. Never fly on a russian airline

you are stupid

people have no idea how many different airplane models operate in Russia
it wasn't the usual Boeing, it was a YAK -> these should have been discontinued years ago

I'm no hater but the Russians definitely need to get their act together when it comes to Air Traffic safety:

"Russia and the former Soviet republics combined for the worst air traffic safety record in the world in 2009, according to the International Air Transport Association, with an accident rate 13 times the world average. There were 24 aircraft accidents in Russia in 2010."

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Originally posted by Sasha you are stupid

Am I?

-September 7, 2011: 43 people are killed when a Yak-42 charter jet carrying a top hockey team crashes moments after take-off from the central Russian city of Yaroslavl.
-June 20, 2011: 47 dead when a Tupolev 134 airliner crashes on its landing approach to Petrozavodsk in north-western Russia.
-April 10, 2010: All 96 people aboard a Russian Tupolev 154 carrying Poland's president and other top Polish officials die when the presidential jet crashes near Smolensk.
-September 14, 2008: 88 dead when an Aeroflot Boeing flying from Moscow to Perm in the Ural Mountains crashes on its landing approach.
-July 9, 2006: 125 people die when an Airbus operated by a Siberian company veers off the runway on landing in Irkutsk, hits a wall and catches fire. More than 70 people survive.
-May 3, 2006: All 113 people aboard an Armenian Airbus plane flying from Yerevan to Sochi in southern Russia die when the craft come-s down in the Black Sea on its landing approach.
-July 3, 2001: All 145 passengers and crew on a Siberian Tupolev 154 flying from Yekaterinburg in the Ural Mountains to Vladivostok in the far east die when the craft crashes before landing for refuelling in Irkutsk. Pilot error is blamed.

You are stupid if you get on one.

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Originally posted by Takayuki I'm no hater but the Russians definitely need to get their act together when it comes to Air Traffic safety: "Russia and the former Soviet republics combined for the worst air traffic safety record in the world in 2009, according to the International Air Transport Association, with an accident rate 13 times the world average. There were 24 aircraft accidents in Russia in 2010."

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Originally posted by Ferg Am I? -September 7, 2011: 43 people are killed when a Yak-42 charter jet carrying a top hockey team crashes moments after take-off from the central Russian city of Yaroslavl. -June 20, 2011: 47 dead when a Tupolev 134 airliner crashes on its landing approach to Petrozavodsk in north-western Russia. -April 10, 2010: All 96 people aboard a Russian Tupolev 154 carrying Poland's president and other top Polish officials die when the presidential jet crashes near Smolensk. -September 14, 2008: 88 dead when an Aeroflot Boeing flying from Moscow to Perm in the Ural Mountains crashes on its landing approach. -July 9, 2006: 125 people die when an Airbus operated by a Siberian company veers off the runway on landing in Irkutsk, hits a wall and catches fire. More than 70 people survive. -May 3, 2006: All 113 people aboard an Armenian Airbus plane flying from Yerevan to Sochi in southern Russia die when the craft come-s down in the Black Sea on its landing approach. -July 3, 2001: All 145 passengers and crew on a Siberian Tupolev 154 flying from Yekaterinburg in the Ural Mountains to Vladivostok in the far east die when the craft crashes before landing for refuelling in Irkutsk. Pilot error is blamed. You are stupid if you get on one.

This.

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Originally posted by geroin i flew on russian airline many times and its not any worse than any other airline.

During the last NHL strike, Brad Richards skipped out on the multi million dollar contract he signed there because he refused to fly on any of the aircraft he had seen there due to safety reasons.

I'll take the opinion of a guy who gave up a few million because of a plane over a russian guy with a nationalist view.

Come on...it is common knowledge that many planes in Russia today are still from the Soviet days. I don't know if you have noticed over the years, but they couldn't build anything right.

Despite all the plane accidents above I'm sure you're still more likely to die in a car in Russia. Soooo is everyone going to swear they won't step in a car there either? I bet more drinkers have more alcohol related deaths than fliers in Russia, more smokers get lung cancer etc. So not going going to drink or smoke too?

Bottom line is everything you do in life adds a + or a - to the risk of you dying. If you can't handle that then buy a bungalow, get your groceries delivered, never go outside etc. I can personally think of many things that I wouldn't miss doing that are more likely to make me die than stepping on a Russian flight. This (like 95% of news out there) isn't anything to change the way you live life. Read it, pay respects, take what you want from it and move on.

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Originally posted by GGM Despite all the plane accidents above I'm sure you're still more likely to die in a car in Russia. Soooo is everyone going to swear they won't step in a car there either? I bet more drinkers have more alcohol related deaths than fliers in Russia, more smokers get lung cancer etc. So not going going to drink or smoke too? Bottom line is everything you do in life adds a + or a - to the risk of you dying. If you can't handle that then buy a bungalow, get your groceries delivered, never go outside etc. I can personally think of many things that I wouldn't miss doing that are more likely to make me die than stepping on a Russian flight. This (like 95% of news out there) isn't anything to change the way you live life. Read it, pay respects, take what you want from it and move on.

This doesn't even deserve a thoughtful response. So, instead, here is a smiley face

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay Come on...it is common knowledge that many planes in Russia today are still from the Soviet days. I don't know if you have noticed over the years, but they couldn't build anything right.

That's somewhat of an overstatement and let's not forget about the crash a couple years back with a Bombardier built plane. Except this model entered service in 2000, not 1980, and was Canadian produced not Soviet. The actual plane that crashed had under a year of use before the incident:

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Feb. 13 (Bloomberg) -- The Bombardier Inc. Dash 8 Q400 turboprop commuter plane that crashed into a house in upstate New York, killing 50 people, was built in 2008 and had been in service for less than a year. ...

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CBC Story

Or maybe some of you shouldn't read that, you'll have to swear off flying Porter afterwards as that's the exact same plane they use as well...

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Originally posted by evil_cookie This doesn't even deserve a thoughtful response.

Then respond to my 2nd post if my 1st was so bad. Would you fly Porter given the same aircraft they use had a much worse accident with a much newer plane?

ok, now find instances of it happening multiple times in a year with the same plane.

you are no dummy GGM, but don't use a strawman argument with me.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay During the last NHL strike, Brad Richards skipped out on the multi million dollar contract he signed there because he refused to fly on any of the aircraft he had seen there due to safety reasons. I'll take the opinion of a guy who gave up a few million because of a plane over a russian guy with a nationalist view. Come on...it is common knowledge that many planes in Russia today are still from the Soviet days. I don't know if you have noticed over the years, but they couldn't build anything right.

yeah ok, because all those accidents listed were related to faults in the actual plane and not pilots errors, right?

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Originally posted by Ferg Am I? -September 7, 2011: 43 people are killed when a Yak-42 charter jet carrying a top hockey team crashes moments after take-off from the central Russian city of Yaroslavl. -June 20, 2011: 47 dead when a Tupolev 134 airliner crashes on its landing approach to Petrozavodsk in north-western Russia. -April 10, 2010: All 96 people aboard a Russian Tupolev 154 carrying Poland's president and other top Polish officials die when the presidential jet crashes near Smolensk. -September 14, 2008: 88 dead when an Aeroflot Boeing flying from Moscow to Perm in the Ural Mountains crashes on its landing approach. -July 9, 2006: 125 people die when an Airbus operated by a Siberian company veers off the runway on landing in Irkutsk, hits a wall and catches fire. More than 70 people survive. -May 3, 2006: All 113 people aboard an Armenian Airbus plane flying from Yerevan to Sochi in southern Russia die when the craft come-s down in the Black Sea on its landing approach. -July 3, 2001: All 145 passengers and crew on a Siberian Tupolev 154 flying from Yekaterinburg in the Ural Mountains to Vladivostok in the far east die when the craft crashes before landing for refuelling in Irkutsk. Pilot error is blamed. You are stupid if you get on one.

soooo you've used an example of 1 crash per year to prove your point?
lol
how about pulling global plane crash stats and never setting foot out of your house again?

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