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Tijs got pwned by his former engineer

*** Maybe strange for all the viewers of this topic, but I have heard recently that all the remixes which Tijs Verwest did produced under his name from 1998 till spring 2005 has been engineerd by Dennis Waakop Reijers and Hans Willem Mallon.

All the (re)mixes, yes inclusive Silence, Surreal, more than 68 remixes and all his 3 artist albums have been remixed and produced and engineerd by those two guys,

Tiesto only paid the bills............................. eureka! idea

Please correct my if I am wrong, but Tiesto ever made any remix himself from 1998 till 2005, due to his schedule of touring, he has not much time for producing anything, keeps the fact that he is a briljant DJ and very good preformer ***

Those two former friends, who made music together for more than 10 years, have now been separated, due to some major problems about the production credits of all the tracks, which they claimed all about having the production credits for themself. whistling

How this has happens, I can't tell you, because I don't know, I only can tell here what I've heard recently
angry smilie
If you will compare the sound from those two producers, you can listen to the track binary star, release Black Hole recordings (99), composed and arranged and produced by those two brilliant producers, who did have done all the heavy work of mixing, producing and mainly all parts of tiesto's artist albums ***


I don't know who engineers the majority of Tiesto tracks. I know someone who does, but they wont tell me.

*** I would like to know, who has told you, because what I have heard from inside BH Recordings, that it is a very hugh secret that has to be kept under any circumstances *** holy smilie


I think some of the recent stuff, for example the Parade of the Athletes album, had a strong influence from Montana, and I know Cor Fijneman engineered for Tijs on Sparkles and Theme From Norfjell but I really don't think either of those guys are good enough producers to have made the likes of the Silence remix, the Surreal/Goldenscan remixes etc... Those tracks really are the work of a fabulous engineer.

*** Recent stuff ?? sleepy, the complete shit has been recorded in the early months of 2004, so even Adagio for Strings is very good but ancient as my grand Pa's chair.... shy .

As I mentioned above, neither Cor Fijneman or Montana did have anything to do with the productions all over the years, Fijneman did work together till spring 2005, with or Dennis or Hw for his own career, but I am not shure, even Ronald van Gelderen did nothing more then delivering the remix parts, but due to the fact that the remix was better than the original, Tiesto kept the remix for his own work. cheers Montana has been out of sight since ........... lol blahblah

Also there has been produced a vocal (re)mix of Urban Train, vocals supported by Kirshty H, the've changed the name of the track, she originaly sung, Urban Train and not (S)uburban Train... , after this disput, the've skipped the vocals and leave the melody for the main theme, very innovated................. sad smilie ***

well, as i said.. geert huinink is my guess. He (and alco lammers) are behind Photon Project.. and Enlightnemnt and illumination are both powerful tracks so they sure know how to make powerful music

*** Geert Huinink and Alco Lammers, have been never ( seriously ) nerdy involved with the prodcution of the (re)mixes under the name DJ Tiesto,....during the working progress which have been recorded on the commercial CD's or DVD's.

They have released some remixes for Magic Music, but all very poor of innovation and they never reached the level of quality of it's original from DJ tiesto, in other words, the Hammond brothers are nice, but far from the quality from those two guys I mentioned before..... nerdy

The reason that Geert Huinink has some composing credits, is that he provided Tiesto with some well known classical compositions, like e.g Bach, Rachmaninov and Mozart all those elements has been constructed in the songs those two guys produced for Tiesto in the year 2004.

In Tiesto's mind of view, Geert Huinink is capable of reproducing classical theme's and playing the first two strokes of my first piano player..........

Mostly all those tracks has been used on the album, parade of the athletes and for the tracks like e.g., Forever today, listen careful to the compositions and you will notify all different classical influences, nice but composed by anyone, than those classical composers from the past. *** cool wow

HAHA!

for the record, Hw mallon was one of the producers (along with Dennis Reijers) who was responsible for Tijs' production success in '98-04

Let the great TA summerslam begin

lol

i'd like to see someone defend tiesto intelligently. but not by slinging mud at Mallon.

(EddieZilker?)

let the rage out

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Originally posted by pozz i'd like to see someone defend tiesto intelligently. but not by slinging mud at Mallon. (EddieZilker?)

Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough to speak in his defense or for that matter, against him. I've been reading little bits of ghost-producer-gossip surrounding Tiesto (& Oakenfold & Armin & SHM & et al) for a very long time but I've never really been convinced A) that it was that big of a deal and B) how much of a part ghost-production played in the end result. (If B=100%, see A.) I can't even be sure to what degree Tiesto's actually been "owned". (Is there really that much "bad blood" or is it just friendly jest?) I've also never been a huge fan of his, but not because I actively dislike him.

Tiesto is first and foremost, a performer. He got his start DJ'ing and the production aspect to his career is secondary. He's not an anomaly, either. It seems to be a part of the now standard marketing practices of the industry; the commodification of the performer regardless of artistic integrity. (Again, See A.)

If I can say anything that comes close to anyone's defense it is that I genuinely dislike these threads where the sole purpose is to slam a performer/DJ/Producer because of some tidbit of salacious gossip. While the tweet seems to rank on Tiesto for his lack of ability and unseemly lifestyle choices, it's small potatoes when you start looking at how the whole of the industry functions. Even that can only be discerned in small glimpses.

right on.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker

You're better than frostdude, LOL.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough to speak in his defense or for that matter, against him. I've been reading little bits of ghost-producer-gossip surrounding Tiesto (& Oakenfold & Armin & SHM & et al) for a very long time but I've never really been convinced A) that it was that big of a deal and B) how much of a part ghost-production played in the end result. (If B=100%, see A.) I can't even be sure to what degree Tiesto's actually been "owned". (Is there really that much "bad blood" or is it just friendly jest?) I've also never been a huge fan of his, but not because I actively dislike him. Tiesto is first and foremost, a performer. He got his start DJ'ing and the production aspect to his career is secondary. He's not an anomaly, either. It seems to be a part of the now standard marketing practices of the industry; the commodification of the performer regardless of artistic integrity. (Again, See A.) If I can say anything that comes close to anyone's defense it is that I genuinely dislike these threads where the sole purpose is to slam a performer/DJ/Producer because of some tidbit of salacious gossip. While the tweet seems to rank on Tiesto for his lack of ability and unseemly lifestyle choices, it's small potatoes when you start looking at how the whole of the industry functions. Even that can only be discerned in small glimpses.

WTF? This guy serious?

You should be glad Tiesto got slammed by that remark. How would you feel if you were once glorious for what you were doing... making great Trance, and setting a foundation that was never reached before, and (probably) never reached again? And then, all of a sudden, as soon as you hit fame, you chose to drink 8 shots of scotch, have your dog lick your ass while you make noises and vomit on your casio, sample it, sell that nasty sorry ass excuse of music on the mainstream, and believe that any of those f*ckers (like you) still buy it?

Anyways, I'm glad he got hit with that remark. Really though, what he is doing is really unacceptable. How can he come from releasing tracks like Suburban Train... to cheesy ass tracks like "Escape Me" ? I don't get it... was he pretending to like his tracks back in 98-02 ? I mean, if he used to create solid, productive, and high quality Trance tracks, how can he not notice the cookie cutter shit he has been releasing? Whatever, we'll never know. Silly Tijs.

On a side note, about H.W. Mallon... what specifically was he responsible for Tiesto's success? Was it sound engineering? Creating tracks? Just curious. Not poking here.

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose On a side note, about H.W. Mallon... what specifically was he responsible for Tiesto's success? Was it sound engineering? Creating tracks? Just curious. Not poking here.

He was working heavily with Dennis Reijers-Fraaj during '98-04, and the duo is 99.9% responsible for tracks like "Silence" remix, Flight 643, Lethal Industry and pretty much every successful track under the "DJ/Tiesto" brand.
They're not working together anymore, but I got information that Waakop-Reijers is still in 'da house' making crap tracks with/for Tiesto.

read this

So HW Willem and Waakop-Reijers were probably responsible for:

Flesh
Sunrise (Goldenscan)
Willow (Aria)

??

I know Geert must have been behind the classical intro of Willow though.

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*** Maybe strange for all the viewers of this topic, but I have heard recently that all the remixes which Tijs Verwest did produced under his name from 1998 till spring 2005 has been engineerd by Dennis Waakop Reijers and Hans Willem Mallon. All the (re)mixes, yes inclusive Silence, Surreal, more than 68 remixes and all his 3 artist albums have been remixed and produced and engineerd by those two guys, Tiesto only paid the bills............................. eureka! idea Please correct my if I am wrong, but Tiesto ever made any remix himself from 1998 till 2005, due to his schedule of touring, he has not much time for producing anything, keeps the fact that he is a briljant DJ and very good preformer *** Those two former friends, who made music together for more than 10 years, have now been separated, due to some major problems about the production credits of all the tracks, which they claimed all about having the production credits for themself. whistling How this has happens, I can't tell you, because I don't know, I only can tell here what I've heard recently angry smilie If you will compare the sound from those two producers, you can listen to the track binary star, release Black Hole recordings (99), composed and arranged and produced by those two brilliant producers, who did have done all the heavy work of mixing, producing and mainly all parts of tiesto's artist albums *** I don't know who engineers the majority of Tiesto tracks. I know someone who does, but they wont tell me. *** I would like to know, who has told you, because what I have heard from inside BH Recordings, that it is a very hugh secret that has to be kept under any circumstances *** holy smilie I think some of the recent stuff, for example the Parade of the Athletes album, had a strong influence from Montana, and I know Cor Fijneman engineered for Tijs on Sparkles and Theme From Norfjell but I really don't think either of those guys are good enough producers to have made the likes of the Silence remix, the Surreal/Goldenscan remixes etc... Those tracks really are the work of a fabulous engineer. *** Recent stuff ?? sleepy, the complete shit has been recorded in the early months of 2004, so even Adagio for Strings is very good but ancient as my grand Pa's chair.... shy . As I mentioned above, neither Cor Fijneman or Montana did have anything to do with the productions all over the years, Fijneman did work together till spring 2005, with or Dennis or Hw for his own career, but I am not shure, even Ronald van Gelderen did nothing more then delivering the remix parts, but due to the fact that the remix was better than the original, Tiesto kept the remix for his own work. cheers Montana has been out of sight since ........... lol blahblah Also there has been produced a vocal (re)mix of Urban Train, vocals supported by Kirshty H, the've changed the name of the track, she originaly sung, Urban Train and not (S)uburban Train... , after this disput, the've skipped the vocals and leave the melody for the main theme, very innovated................. sad smilie *** well, as i said.. geert huinink is my guess. He (and alco lammers) are behind Photon Project.. and Enlightnemnt and illumination are both powerful tracks so they sure know how to make powerful music *** Geert Huinink and Alco Lammers, have been never ( seriously ) nerdy involved with the prodcution of the (re)mixes under the name DJ Tiesto,....during the working progress which have been recorded on the commercial CD's or DVD's. They have released some remixes for Magic Music, but all very poor of innovation and they never reached the level of quality of it's original from DJ tiesto, in other words, the Hammond brothers are nice, but far from the quality from those two guys I mentioned before..... nerdy The reason that Geert Huinink has some composing credits, is that he provided Tiesto with some well known classical compositions, like e.g Bach, Rachmaninov and Mozart all those elements has been constructed in the songs those two guys produced for Tiesto in the year 2004. In Tiesto's mind of view, Geert Huinink is capable of reproducing classical theme's and playing the first two strokes of my first piano player.......... Mostly all those tracks has been used on the album, parade of the athletes and for the tracks like e.g., Forever today, listen careful to the compositions and you will notify all different classical influences, nice but composed by anyone, than those classical composers from the past. *** cool wow

For nut brains

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose So HW Willem and Waakop-Reijers were probably responsible for: Flesh Sunrise (Goldenscan) Willow (Aria) ?? I know Geert must have been behind the classical intro of Willow though.

That is correct, they are 100% responsible for those tunes. @Rodri Santos has sorted out the essentials from t.nu thread, but there's still some info there

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There is more interesting questions that pop into my mind though.... the phenomena behind the Magikal Remakes and stuff.

And yeah I do agree... within certain realms of Tiesto remixes, there are some remixes that have similar samples, and some that are totally different or come from a different sample set or influence.

Ie...

Flesh, Silence, Suburban Train, You Take My Breath Away, Kid Vicious song, all have a similar sound to each other. I'd assume that this is the style of HW Mallon & Waakop-Reijers duo.

Then a different set of remixes with a different sound of influence...

Sparkles (Magikal Remake), Destination Sunshine (Power Mix)

and then... in some cases, some songs by Yahel have similar sounding samples to the Sparkles (Magikal Remake) & Destination Sunshine (Power Mix). The songs by Yahel like Voyage.

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My theory but and totally offtopic but.... I think during the 98-04 era of Tiesto's success... HW Mallon specialized on his particular talent, and Waakop-Reijers focused on his and each of the two patched up weaknesses of holes that the others lacked.

I don't know why, but I have a STRONG feeling that Waakop-Reijers focused more on the powerful synths... like (I can't explain very well but please bear with me), I think Waakop focuses on those long synths that play right after the drop of Silence and Suburban Train. Waakop just has that talent of pressing down on the piano for extended amount of seconds and makes it sound euphoric, uplifting, epic, or like "an anthem."

As for Mallon? I think Mallon focuses on the build up of the track, and the layering of other random samples that build the track together to have more texture, background samples, and I believe is role probably adds more layers to the "anthem synth" parts that Waakop does.

I strongly believe that Waakop does most of the "breakdown" sounds as well... he just has that talent in making that emotional or mellow-dramatic synth sound. (Ten Seconds Before Sunrise, Suburban Train synths, Silence synths, etc)

Have you heard his extended remix of "surrounded by lights" on the kaleidoscope album? okay please bear with me, that album isnt so great..... but listen closely:

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Details of "Surrounded By Light Music written by T.Verwest & D.J. Waakop Reijers-Fraaj. Published by Musical Freedom / Allure Muzik. Produced by Tiësto. Co-produced by T.Verwest & D.J. Waakop Reijers-Fraaj. Assistan engineering by M. Brouwer. Mixed by T. Verwest & D.J. Waakop Reijers-Fraaj. Mastered by E. Lazar & J. Laporta. At the Lodge.

Now the track posted above... it has Waakop Reijers who made that sone... which has that "mellow-dramatic, hypnotic" sound in the breakdown. this song has some talent behind it, but it seems just plain. it has a good breakdown, and an okay melody, but it *lacks* that other half that Mallon probably would've completed the rest of the track to make it sound complete, and have the "buildup with extra layers of samples in the background"

did you notice that surrounded by light extended mix had NO real build up for that track? that track was literally only like... bass bass and then breakdown.... they needed Mallon to build up the track

oh god this theory thing is fascinating me but it when all boils down to something....

1) Reijers probably focused on the anthem/epic/breakdown parts...

2) and Mallon probably focused on the buildup of the track and the complexity of layers.

Actually you are wrong about the "Destination Sunshine Powermix", it was the first track ever produced by Hw Mallon & Reijers.

I wasn't behind the mixing desk with those guys, but from what I've read in the past, Hw Mallon left because he never got the proper credits, and Reijers was Tiesto's choice for crediting (along with Geert Huinink)

Personally I don't care, Tiesto's gone crap ever since Hw Mallon stopped working for him. But I'm pretty sure Reijers is still in his production team.

Hah and it would be great if Hans Willem Mallon returns to the forums and post some Tiesto facts, lol

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Originally posted by BlueSky Actually you are wrong about the "Destination Sunshine Powermix", it was the first track ever produced by Hw Mallon & Reijers. I wasn't behind the mixing desk with those guys, but from what I've read in the past, Hw Mallon left because he never got the proper credits, and Reijers was Tiesto's choice for crediting (along with Geert Huinink) Personally I don't care, Tiesto's gone crap ever since Hw Mallon stopped working for him. But I'm pretty sure Reijers is still in his production team. Hah and it would be great if Hans Willem Mallon returns to the forums and post some Tiesto facts, lol

Oh I just meant to say that Sparkles Magik Remake and Yahel Voyage kinda have similar samples to Destination sunshine powermix, or vice versa.

But yeah I agree Mallon is/was very fabulous engineer.

Without Mallon, Tiesto's Trance sound will only have Waakop-Reijers sound in it. and according to my theory, Reijers can only specialize in intros, breakdowns, anthem/epic synths.

I dont think Reijers has that build up talent that I believe Mallon had. Mallon was probably responsible for most of the snares in a track too.

that surrounded by light ext mix is a perfect example of production (Waakop) without Mallon.

The excuse of being very busy is one of the sad parts, it's like if the other djs didn't have a full schedule... now i think he has several hired producers, he releases one track each week

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos The excuse of being very busy is one of the sad parts, it's like if the other djs didn't have a full schedule... now i think he has several hired producers, he releases one track each week

Well you got a point there, but I don't think it was his main excuse for not being in the studio.

For example, check those 1997 DJ Tiesto tunes where he was truly on his own:




And the next two years, 1998-99, 'he' comes out with these:
Balearic Bill - Destination Sunshine (DJ Tiesto Power Mix)
Theme From Norefjell
& etc.
Obviously its 1998 when those guys started producing for Tiesto, maybe he ain't that talented (as those two are), there's nothing wrong about it if he admitted it - "Yes, I use those guys, because I'm not that good on my own". He actually tried to do that, but didn't give a credit to his whole production team (who is pretty much responsible for his worldwide success and what he is today, not only Dennis or Geert as we can read in his old interviews).

Anyone wondered what happened to his 'best' friend DJ Montana? There is a text printed in the sleeve of Magik 4 which says:

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I wouldn't be where I am today without my 4 brothers Ahmet, Arny Wilfried and William. Love and respect, June 5th 1999, DJ Tiesto

I'm starting to think that he just doesn't know how to treat people from his own team, maybe thats why the best ones left him a long time ago.

that 1997 tracks are completely different style but i can appreciate that are considerably weaker than what came after, everyone who has ever met him says he is an arrogant prick it must be hard to do the job for him while he is bitching around the clubs and not get any credit.

This proves something however, the brand is very important there are a lot of great producers that don't succeed because of this, thinking now in Benno vs Armin i think Rank 1 should be more sucessful with solid productions and a cool live set but hey the simplistic Armin set is more powerful and this guys behind tiesto are a wasted talent.

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Fuck Tijs.

Can't believe what he's done to his people. I don't have much respect as I used to have for him anymore.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos that 1997 tracks are completely different style but i can appreciate that are considerably weaker than what came after, everyone who has ever met him says he is an arrogant prick it must be hard to do the job for him while he is bitching around the clubs and not get any credit. This proves something however, the brand is very important there are a lot of great producers that don't succeed because of this, thinking now in Benno vs Armin i think Rank 1 should be more sucessful with solid productions and a cool live set but hey the simplistic Armin set is more powerful and this guys behind tiesto are a wasted talent.

Who's a prick?

who else coudl be so arrogant to make this album cover?

Jesus, Tijs will be happy with all this attention as he knows that it doesn't matter whether it's good or bad.

Anything produced under Tiesto brand from 2003 (2004 tops) and on is just rubbish..

Of course it is more than obvious that tiesto's influences on the tracks he released from 1999 and on are from few to zero.

Some time ago i read in the tiestotracklist forum that it is a natural evolution the change of the genre for the tracks he is producing cause the today's youth (16-24) is not familiar with trance music (90's-00's) and it would sound to their ears like the disco 80's tracks to ours.
-shit i must practice my fucking English more often..-

He had some decent mixed CDs like Magik 6/7 (at least he's mixing live there), some decent sets as well. Everything, first his sets, then 'his' music started to suck from the mid 2003. But think about that - if those two guys never worked with/for him, he wouldn't be what he is today. That's why he's an arrogant prick, we all can see how unthankful he is. He's got a douchebagonomics degree, that's for sure

So do you guys think Tiesto went House-driven and commercial because he was a total douche and nobody wanted to work for him after the terrible shit that he's done to his producers/engineers?

Is his reason "I just want to do something different," just an excuse for "I fucked over my producers but I dont give a shit I'm making enough money to hire newer ones anyway" ?

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