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Can we talk about SOPA?

I've been hearing about it in the last few months, and it sounds scary. From what everyone is saying it will ruin the internet. Yet there doesn't seem to be a lot of discourse about it. Even on here, where a law like this would have a serious effect on what we do, no one seems all that concerned.

What the fuck is SOPA?




wikipedia page

globe and mail

gizmodo

the verge

So how will this affects us as Canadians? What can we do?

I'm all for stopping piracy

In a nutshell, from what I understand is that the media companies want to hold search engines, website owners, and ISP's accountable for the links returned in search results and web pages if the remote link contains copyrighted content.


Ultimately, it is not their role to police the internet. This is a cheap attempt at making the internet in the USA look like China where censorship can be enabled quickly. Ohhhh this article contained a piece of information I did not give permission to publish...bam it needs to be blacked out from the internet.

Dear media companies....if you want to enforce your copyright rights...then do it yourself. Dont burden everyone to do it for you.


SOPA must die!

Swamper how does this effect TA, considering the site is hosting in Texas? And, I'm sure you get a tonne of take down notices from copyright holders.

Re: Can we talk about SOPA?

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Originally posted by spitty So how will this affects us as Canadians? What can we do?

Not good. I have a feeling many of us will be sent to the US. Just look at Britain, they are shipping over one of their own citizens, because he was allowing people to access tv shows and what not.

If Google and others dislike what the US is planning. They should fire all their employees and move their servers somewhere else. So Google and all you larger corporations out there, please destroy the US economy. I know that is crazy, if the US goes down we go down, but that will be an eye opener we shouldn't have to be so connected to the US and rely on them.

That video is a great explanation!

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/SOPA-Co...news-13635.html

interesting!

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I'm all for stopping piracy

I agree that stopping piracy is good, but SOPA is too broadly defined and gives far too much power to companies.

Basically, with SOPA how it stands now - any site that has user generated content. Either it be sites like Reddit, forums like Trance Addict, or even sites that allow comments can be put at risk. Even search engines would be greatly hampered, as if the results of a search result linked to a site that linked to a site that had an offending link - they are in trouble.

DMCA take-down notices are abused enough as is, and SOPA gives people even more power. But instead of removing the content in question, the site that has the content essentially gets censored from the internet.

From the reddit blog:

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If the Attorney General served reddit with an order to remove links to a domain, we would be required to scrub every post and comment on the site containing the domain and censor the links out, even if the specific link contained no infringing content. We would also need to implement a system to automatically censor the domain from any future posts or comments. This places a measurable burden upon the site's technical infrastructure. It also damages one of the most important tenets of reddit, and the internet as a whole � free and open discussion about whatever the fuck you want.

Take sites like MegaUpload, Rapidshare, fileshare - all have legitimate uses for file sharing, but - they do tend to get abused for hosting copyrighted content.

With DMCA - they can send a notice to MegaUpload, and get them to remove the content.

With SOPA - Reddit could get served with a notice requiring them to basically censor any existing, and block any future post / link / comment to Megaupload - even if the link is not pointing to any infringing content. TranceAddict could get hit with the same notice - so all those sets that you like linking to for download from Megaupload? not possible any more. Google would get hit with the same thing - and you could no linger find megaupload links in your google search results.

While I can agree that there needs to be ways to better counter/stop piracy - SOPA is not the way to do it.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew http://www.tomsguide.com/us/SOPA-Co...news-13635.html interesting!

That's the problem with legislation like this. It is so big, bloated, and old fashioned, that work arounds will pop up very very quickly.

Unless you are going to be as coordinated as China, it won't work. Even with 'The Great Firewall of China', people get around it.

Here is a good breakdown on some of the other main dangers of SOPA/PIPA (the main focus up to now has been the DNS blacklisting piece but there are other dangerous powers it makes available to the US Govt.)

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/...ing-free-speech

Original Recipe Yield 4 servings

Ingredients

1 (14.5 ounce) can diced tomatoes
1 small onion, chopped
1 large clove garlic, coarsely chopped
2 tablespoons olive oil
1 (7 ounce) package fideo pasta, uncooked
3 (14.5 ounce) cans chicken broth
freshly ground black pepper to taste
coarse salt to taste
1 tablespoon chopped fresh cilantro

Directions

-Place the tomatoes, onion, and garlic into a blender, and pulse several times to get the mixture moving; blend until smooth, 30 seconds to 1 minute.
-Heat the olive oil in a skillet over medium-low heat, and stir in the pasta. Fry the pasta gently, stirring often, until the pasta is golden brown, 2 to 5 minutes. Remove from heat.
-Pour the tomato mixture into a large saucepan, and stir in chicken broth and noodles. Bring to a boil, and reduce heat to medium low; simmer until the noodles are tender, 7 to 8 minutes. Season to taste with salt and black pepper, and stir in the cilantro; simmer 2 more minutes to cook cilantro.

Online piracy is a great thing as it creates innovation. The only proven way to beat it is to offer a better service for a reasonable price which is a win/win situation. Just think about some major examples:

Napster lead to iTunes

Movie torrents/streaming lead to Netflix

Sports streaming has lead to most major sports leagues offering online packages

Those are huge wins and improvements for the consumers and all those legal replacements are extremely profitable. To top it off whenever they try to use the government to shut something down others just spawn up and replace it. Napster got killed then Limewire took over. They got in legal trouble, went downhill and now there's torrents. In a way their blocking attempts only improve the means of obtaining things for those that want to.

That being said this probably doesn't have much to do with copyrights at all. People have been downloading songs in masses for over 10 years and movies for over 7 and all the government has ever done is shut down the odd site or program here and there. Real reasons imo are things like Wikileaks/Bradley Manning, Anonymous hacks, loss of media's control of what content people absorb, and the biggest would be Arab Spring where we learned that the internet could enable people to take down their government.

More proof it doesn't really matter who you vote for these days. Bush in the same spot would've done it for some anti-terrorist cause and now Obama is doing it to protect copyrights...

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Originally posted by GGM More proof it doesn't really matter who you vote for these days. Bush in the same spot would've done it for some anti-terrorist cause and now Obama is doing it to protect copyrights...

Just an FYI, Obama has said he will veto the bill if it passes. This isn't a bill created by the "big, bad government", its one that what was quite clearly a case of good 'ol fashioned corporate lobbying, mainly by the film & record industries and the politicians on their payroll.

This isn't the first time that Hollywood has gone to congress to attempt to put a stop to new (more innovative) technology cutting into their profits. They did it with VCRs, they did it with cable, satellite, and now they're doing it with the internet.

Here's a good article on it: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...article2285015/

This one is a good, brief video as well explaining SOPA and PIPA...

PROTECT IP / SOPA Breaks The Internet from Fight for the Future on Vimeo.

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Originally posted by Orko Swamper how does this effect TA, considering the site is hosting in Texas? And, I'm sure you get a tonne of take down notices from copyright holders.

Even if it was hosted in Toronto it wouldn't matter since they could cut off routing at the source (via ARIN) so it would be as if the site fell into a black hole. TA and any other site similar that has messageboard content would be fucked since it would just take 1 person posting a link to some illegal shit to create chaos.

I posted about this on Dec 23 in this thread in the c0r. GoDaddy's original support for SOPA (and their built-in 'immunity' from being affected) was the reason I moved about 20+ domains away from them on Dec. 27th.

Cutting/pasting what I wrote there:

This is legislation that WILL be abused -- many are moving their domains off of GoDaddy because GoDaddy supports SOPA but the truth is if this passes all US registrars will have to abide by its terms. For a site to be somewhat protected you need to have your domain registrar, dns, and web host not be US based. This is bad news any way you cut it.... so typical of the US to be passing important things (NDAA) so close to Christmas when attention (from the educated) public is abysmal at best.

Open Letter from Internet Engineers to Congress -- LINK

House Fact Sheet on SOPA -- LINK (PDF)

http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/17/mp...orporate-pawns/

It's not that hard to miss the connections and what's really going on.

"Chris Dodd, the head of MPAA and strongest supporter of SOPA/IPA bills, is a retired 30 year Senator. Salary @ MPAA? $1.2M.. He's the same guy who said Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were 'financially strong' during the sub prime mortgage crisis, all while his campaign was heavily funded from the financial services industry-(his job then? head of Senate Banking Committee-how coincidental)... NOW he says the internet blackouts, that tech companies are proposing as a response to his legislation is an "abuse of power."

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Originally posted by Ozm�zis http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/17/mp...orporate-pawns/ It's not that hard to miss the connections and what's really going on. "Chris Dodd, the head of MPAA and strongest supporter of SOPA/IPA bills, is a retired 30 year Senator. Salary @ MPAA? $1.2M.. He's the same guy who said Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were 'financially strong' during the sub prime mortgage crisis, all while his campaign was heavily funded from the financial services industry-(his job then? head of Senate Banking Committee-how coincidental)... NOW he says the internet blackouts, that tech companies are proposing as a response to his legislation is an "abuse of power."

Dodd a piece of shit. I would love to see Google and others move their HQ and everything to Canada or even Sweden, be a nice fuck you to the US government.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/20/o...h-sopa-support/

lamar smith's views on this (the guy who came up with all this shit)

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Could SOPA Be Coming to Canada? After widespread online protests that saw several sites including Wikipedia go dark, the U.S. House of Representatives effectively killed the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) last week. But the spirit of SOPA lives on in a bill before the Canadian Parliament, according to at least one law professor. Michael Geist, who specializes in Internet and ecommerce law at the University of Ottawa, says that Bill C-11, currently under review in Canada�s House of Commons, could bring SOPA-like copyright law to the country. Bill C-11, titled the Copyright Modernization Act, aims to replace the country�s current copyright law with something more compatible with the days of broadband. Geist says it goes further than that. Citing a document that appears to be a set of proposed amendments to the legislation from a music-industry representative, Geist makes the case that the same lobbying groups that backed SOPA are laying the groundwork for SOPA-like rules in Bill C-11. �While SOPA may be dead (for now) in the U.S.,� Geist writes, �Lobby groups are likely to intensify their efforts to export SOPA-like rules to other countries. With Bill C-11 back on the legislative agenda at the end of the month, Canada will be a prime target for SOPA style rules.� In particular, Geist says the idea of blocking sites from the Internet � or at least the Internet in Canada � is on the list of proposals. The note, dated March 1, 2011, suggests that the bill should �permit a court to make an order blocking a pirate site such as The Pirate Bay to protect the Canadian marketplace from foreign pirate sites.� Besides that, the proposals would incentivize Internet service providers to terminate users who infringe copyrights more than once. Geist points out that there�s no mention of due process or what sort of proof would be required. Also under consideration is an �enabler� provision, which would target sites that aren�t necessarily pirate havens, but are primarily used for piracy. Empire Avenue, a virtual-currency and gaming site based in Canada, came out against SOPA, and its CEO says he expected such legislation to come to his country and elsewhere after SOPA failed. �One of the points I made when the SOPA debate was happening was that if SOPA failed, which it did, at least this time around, what would end up happening is that similar bills would be [proposed] in Canada and the U.K.,� says Duleepa Wijayawardhana, CEO of Empire Avenue. �The idea is to get these kinds of bills passed in other places and the say, �Hey, U.S., shouldn�t you be on board?�� Wijayawardhana is optimistic that just getting the word out will be enough to ensure that any copyright legislation that passes will be fair. �There�s a chance lobbyists will succeed. Our job as startups, innovators and entrepreneurs is to make sure people understand what about these laws will prevent stuff from happening. And I think as we explain to people why they�re bad, people get it.�

LINK

Don't worry comrades, all of your beloved shows and oscar winning movies will be still available on ruskij torrent sites.

Just learn some Russian, that's all бгг

Canadians should really be more concerned about C-11 than SOPA

Clay Shirky gives a pretty captivating talk on the subject...

For all those who believe the Copyright Industries' teary-eyed complaints of the multitudes of losses they sustain from piracy... a snippet from a Geek.com article which is summarizing a much more in-depth
Techdirt article:

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If you were to listen to leaders of the copyright-focused industries, you�d think that they were on the verge of collapse. The rationale for the (temporarily-shelved) SOPA and PIPA was that Hollywood and the recording industry are being financially steamrolled by piracy. They routinely make claims of billions of dollars in losses, and they�re rarely questioned. We all know that piracy is rampant, and since piracy means free content, it must be hurting these industries� right? Not necessarily. New data uncovered by Techdirt shows that the copyright industries are doing booming business. Here are some of the most eye-popping figures: The value of the recording industry jumped from $132 billion in 2005 to $168 billion in 2010 Recording artists� share of music revenue jumped 16% to $16.7 billion Worldwide box office revenue grew from $25.5 billion in 2006 to $31.8 billion in 2010 Book publishing revenues grew from $26.5 billion in 2008 to $28 billion in 2010 Entertainment spending as a fraction of income rose by 15% from 2000 to 2008 Employment in the entertainment industry rose 20% during the same period The overall entertainment industry grew by 66% from 1998 to 2010 Worldwide video game industry rose from $20 billion in 2000 to nearly $80 billion in 2012

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