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Questions for those with glasses

Yeah, probably sounds like an OT, but it's not. I'm wondering if those of you who wear glasses, particularly those who got glasses later in life, have noticed any issues with your ability to mentally focus on tasks, such as music production.

I got glasses a year ago (progressive bifocals) for reading computer/text, but my medium/long-range vision is still fine. Apparently, it's typical for people's eyesight to start failing at around age 40, and I surpassed that by a few years before I started to notice that I was having a hard time reading and writing anything on a computer, or on paper. I have my annual eye exam coming up and I've already noticed that my vision has gotten a little worse.

My job (biologist) relies heavily on my ability to read and write a LOT of technical material and emails and analyze data every day. When my eyesight started to go, I noticed that I was having a very hard time focusing, visually and mentally, on my work. It affected my efficiency and productivity because, for example, I would have to read things multiple times on occasion, I'd leave out words from sentences, and sometimes just generally felt like brain was getting sore.

I also noticed it when working on music production, although I don't spend nearly as much time staring at a video monitor for that. Which brings me to the relevant topic. I've also noticed that my music productivity has decreased a lot in the last year or so. I haven't had the mental energy to create music after a 9-hour work day, going to the gym, hanging out with the family, etc. that I used to have. I'm wondering if some of that is possibly related to eye strain. Even with the glasses, I find that my eyes get sore after a long day of working at a computer and reading and I'm thinking that it is possibly contributing to my mental fatigue. Does anybody else experience this?

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Originally posted by cryophonik Yeah, probably sounds like an OT, but it's not. I'm wondering if those of you who wear glasses, particularly those who got glasses later in life, have noticed any issues with your ability to mentally focus on tasks, such as music production. I got glasses a year ago (progressive bifocals) for reading computer/text, but my medium/long-range vision is still fine. Apparently, it's typical for people's eyesight to start failing at around age 40, and I surpassed that by a few years before I started to notice that I was having a hard time reading and writing anything on a computer, or on paper. I have my annual eye exam coming up and I've already noticed that my vision has gotten a little worse. My job (biologist) relies heavily on my ability to read and write a LOT of technical material and emails and analyze data every day. When my eyesight started to go, I noticed that I was having a very hard time focusing, visually and mentally, on my work. It affected my efficiency and productivity because, for example, I would have to read things multiple times on occasion, I'd leave out words from sentences, and sometimes just generally felt like brain was getting sore. I also noticed it when working on music production, although I don't spend nearly as much time staring at a video monitor for that. Which brings me to the relevant topic. I've also noticed that my music productivity has decreased a lot in the last year or so. I haven't had the mental energy to create music after a 9-hour work day, going to the gym, hanging out with the family, etc. that I used to have. I'm wondering if some of that is possibly related to eye strain. Even with the glasses, I find that my eyes get sore after a long day of working at a computer and reading and I'm thinking that it is possibly contributing to my mental fatigue. Does anybody else experience this?

Welcome to over 40's club Dave, yeah, this sound really familiar and on top of that my patience is going south to. Few years ago I notice the same thing Dave, more time I spend writing something (either on computer or on paper) then more time I had to spend on checking/modifying/correcting my work lol - I guess this is the cycle we all will have to go through

Later on I will tell you about few more thing which you have to be ready for

Cheers,

Darek

Did you have a lot of mental fatigue associated with your eyesight, Darek?

looking at a computer glasses or not for 9 hours is going to take a toll. Add to that family time, i honestly don't see how you can find 1 hour unless you don't sleep.

i mean 9 hours work
1 hour eat
1 hour exercise
1 hour of misc stuff like showering transit
2 hours family

that leaves 2 hours with no downtime.

I've heard that its actually because of google that we find it harder to focus. Its because it rewires our brain, instead of storing information our brain becomes a scanning device that scans quickly for info instead of storing it since it gets the impression that info is always available thanks to google.

Read about this from a text by a dude named nicholas carr.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...us-stupid/6868/

I am 19 and find it hard to focus so I doubt age is relevant.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney looking at a computer glasses or not for 9 hours is going to take a toll. Add to that family time, i honestly don't see how you can find 1 hour unless you don't sleep.

And this is my problem, I'm usually going to bad around 1AM sometimes even 2AM and still don't think that I did everything I could or should, damn it, I'm getting old lol - but please don't tell me that

Cheers,

Darek

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney looking at a computer glasses or not for 9 hours is going to take a toll. Add to that family time, i honestly don't see how you can find 1 hour unless you don't sleep.

Well, that's a good point - I probably sleep far less than the average person. I've been like that as long as I can remember. Back in my late teens-30s, I went to school and/or worked during the day, gigged or ran sound in the evenings, and did my studying either in between courses and gigs, or after the gig until like 4AM. I think my brain has become accustomed to it, because I literally can't sleep more than 7 hours/night, or I start getting insomnia. But, my brain still feels fatigued despite being awake. Yeah, I'm sure that's a big part of my problem, though.

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Originally posted by mathieu I've heard that its actually because of google that we find it harder to focus. Its because it rewires our brain, instead of storing information our brain becomes a scanning device that scans quickly for info instead of storing it since it gets the impression that info is always available thanks to google. Read about this from a text by a dude named nicholas carr. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...us-stupid/6868/ I am 19 and find it hard to focus so I doubt age is relevant.

what your brain choses to store and attention are two different things. Not storing information you know you have access to is actually your brain being more efficient. It leaves more attention to store the things that actually matter. The cult of multitasking is probably what has made most people so inefficient.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Did you have a lot of mental fatigue associated with your eyesight, Darek?

Yeah, you can imagine 8 to 10 hours of work (planning budget, designing and dealing with people personal issues lol -> now you not wonder why I'm so tired and loosing my patience so quickly lol) then I go home, family stuff (you know), need to socialize for a few min with my friends (usually over the phone), next is computer and music lol, from the moment you release that is the time to go to bad is around 1AM.

So to answer your question is Yes you will feel that way Dave

Next stage is more crazy lol, you going to look much more often into your past and try to figure out what is that you accomplish so far, when was the time you make wrong turn with your life and what is or will be your next step in your life

Will tell you more soon, this sound really strange lol -> life experience lesson lol.

Cheers,

Darek

Eh, I'm young and even I have trouble motivating myself to work on music after working and driving for 11 hours. After that I just want to relax, and as much as I like making music, it demands a level of focus that I usually leave at work.

That coupled with aging could be it, dunno if it has anything to do with glasses. Then again I'm not exactly known for a strong work ethic so we could just have similar problems with different causes

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Next stage is more crazy lol, you going to look much more often into your past and try to figure out what is that you accomplish so far, when was the time you make wrong turn with your life and what is or will be your next step in your life

Nope, not me. I was given up for adoption at birth, lived in a hospital on life support for much of the first year of my life, was adopted at 13 months, and wasn't expected to live more than a few years, yet here I am with 3 college degrees, a phenomenal wife and son, a successful career, tightly knit group of close friends, etc. So, believe me, I know how good I've had it.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Nope, not me. I was given up for adoption at birth, lived in a hospital on life support for much of the first year of my life, was adopted at 13 months, and wasn't expected to live more than a few years, yet here I am with 3 college degrees, a phenomenal wife and son, a successful career, tightly knit group of close friends, etc. So, believe me, I know how good I've had it.

Man, this was just like reading some fantasy book lol, I wish you all the best in your rosy future

Future depends on people like you

Cheers Dave,

Darek

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney what your brain choses to store and attention are two different things. Not storing information you know you have access to is actually your brain being more efficient. It leaves more attention to store the things that actually matter.

yes but what happens is, your brain tries to be more efficient even when not looking for info. dunno about you but i used to be a big reader, now i struggle reading a couple pages without getting disctracted nowadays.

its not just how the brain stores things, its how it chooses to analyse information

got bifocal glasses since a year as well (getting 42 this year)
seems that your eyes get used to the glasses and start to degrade faster. I also need more light to read smal prints on gear and such and yes eyestrain breaks creativity. Last year has been a real struggle to find time between the things i needed to do in order to do the things i wanted to do. often being tired, but once sitting down, start fooling around i'll get back into it.

It's like sport, once you got the momentum back, it's easier. but if your out of cycle it's very hard to get back in.

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Man, this was just like reading some fantasy book lol, I wish you all the best in your rosy future Future depends on people like you

Well, there's no need to overstate it. I basically got lucky at a very early age, nothing I did had any bearing on my ability to beat the odds. Point is, there's no point on dwelling on what you didn't accomplish - it's far better to dwell on you DID accomplish and what you still want to accomplish, despite your age or past failures. [/hippie talk]

My eyes hurt. I'm going to lunch.

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Originally posted by Raphie got bifocal glasses since a year as well (getting 42 this year) seems that your eyes get used to the glasses and start to degrade faster. I also need more light to read smal prints on gear and such and yes eyestrain breaks creativity. Last year has been a real struggle to find time between the things i needed to do in order to do the things i wanted to do. often being tired, but once sitting down, start fooling around i'll get back into it.

That sounds like exactly what I'm going through - confirmation is good!

BTW @mathieu - I browsed that article and it looks interesting, although not really quite on topic. Thanks for posting it, though - I'll read it later after work or this weekend.

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Originally posted by Raphie ...seems that your eyes get used to the glasses and start to degrade faster.

Yeah, I completely forgot about that, I should be using my glasses (from around 40) but after few day with them I notice the same thing what Raphie is talking about, you eyes become weaker (they don't go through this self adjusting motion which they usually go hundreds/thousand times a day), so I quit them completely and start to do some (5 to 10 min) exercises few times a day and I can tell you that this definitely help me (at least till today) carry on with my daily activities.

Cheers,

Darek

what eye exercises do you do?

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Originally posted by cryophonik Well, there's no need to overstate it. I basically got lucky at a very early age, nothing I did had any bearing on my ability to beat the odds. Point is, there's no point on dwelling on what you didn't accomplish - it's far better to dwell on you DID accomplish and what you still want to accomplish, despite your age or past failures. [/hippie talk] My eyes hurt. I'm going to lunch.

Yeah, what I was saying that there is noting you can do about it, as long you know that those moment will come and if you can get ready for it, then better for you it will be lol (a specially when your kid/s will leave your house lol - trust me, you can't escape from it ) --> old fart talking

Cheers,

Darek

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Originally posted by Raphie what eye exercises do you do?

Will try to find some interesting article for you, if I still have in my house, but you can try this, simple find two different object at different distances from you, let say one is close to you, like your monitor distance and the second with like 20 to 30 feet away from you, then try to focus so you have great clarity of the object you looking at (at least good, as is not going to be that easy at the beginning). You repeat that for (and this is totally up to you, you can start with 2~3 min and slowly, I mean over the time extend to) 5~10 min --> simple but you stimulate your muscles which over the time getting weaker.

Darek

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Originally posted by mathieu yes but what happens is, your brain tries to be more efficient even when not looking for info. dunno about you but i used to be a big reader, now i struggle reading a couple pages without getting disctracted nowadays. its not just how the brain stores things, its how it chooses to analyse information

blame facebook and the internet in general. I read more than i ever have. The more my brain can offload information, the better you are, the less stress you carry and really there is no downside unless you use that as an excuse not to learn anything.

I am legally blind with out glasses. Had cataract surgery as a teenager so i can't focus. The lens is plastic. Even with glasses , they are one distance. I have 2 pairs. One for about 1 metre focus and one for about 4 metre focus. When i walk around downtown, i usually take off my glasses and its like i'm blind and it is rather relaxing. What does suck is if i misplace them. I have had to call my girlfriend to come home and help me find them a few times. Now i have 3 redundancy sets placed in various locations. ALso, when i go out at night, i usually wear a set of frames minus the lens as i don't really want to see, i can take pictures and if i get drunk and loose them, well no real loss as i still have my actually glasses safe at home.

and i'm colour blind. So can i borrow your car ?

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Originally posted by cryophonik Nope, not me. I was given up for adoption at birth, lived in a hospital on life support for much of the first year of my life, was adopted at 13 months, and wasn't expected to live more than a few years, yet here I am with 3 college degrees, a phenomenal wife and son, a successful career, tightly knit group of close friends, etc. So, believe me, I know how good I've had it.

Damn, that's impressive Dave. you should be proud - I know tons of people who had a rough start and used it as a an excuse to amount to nothing their whole life and also have known people born with every advantage a person could ever need only to completely squander their life and amount to fuck all.

I'm lucky (so far) in that i have 20/20 vision, but I once had a science teacher who had less than perfect vision which got worse as she got older. She then studied this form of eye excerise that she did religiously ever day for about 15 mins. She put her glasses down and never needed them again, except for really close up technical things.

I know it involved doing things like focusing on things far away then quickly focusing on something very close, then doing it for different directions and trying to get better and better at them every day. I Can't tell you what it was called but it seemed to work for her as she never really saw her wearing glasses again.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Damn, that's impressive Dave. you should be proud - I know tons of people who had a rough start and used it as a an excuse to amount to nothing their whole life and also have known people born with every advantage a person could ever need only to completely squander their life and amount to fuck all.

Thanks RANN, but again, it's not something that I really had any control over since it all happened at an early age for me. Fortunately, I was adopted into a great (and pretty large) family and actually had a lot opportunities to succeed because of that. So, my point was really not about overcoming anything (which I had no control over), but rather, being grateful for the opportunities that I had, knowing that I was very fortunate in many ways beyond my control.

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Will try to find some interesting article for you, if I still have in my house, but you can try this, simple find two different object at different distances from you, let say one is close to you, like your monitor distance and the second with like 20 to 30 feet away from you, then try to focus so you have great clarity of the object you looking at (at least good, as is not going to be that easy at the beginning). You repeat that for (and this is totally up to you, you can start with 2~3 min and slowly, I mean over the time extend to) 5~10 min --> simple but you stimulate your muscles which over the time getting weaker. Darek

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I know it involved doing things like focusing on things far away then quickly focusing on something very close, then doing it for different directions and trying to get better and better at them every day. I Can't tell you what it was called but it seemed to work for her as she never really saw her wearing glasses again.

Sounds like a similar exercise. I'll consult my doctor to find out if it's right for me. Erections lasting longer than four hours....oh wait, wrong forum.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Erections lasting longer than four hours....oh wait, wrong forum.

Lol, this commercial (a specially if you watch it some small children around you) is killing me

Darek

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Originally posted by cryophonik Sounds like a similar exercise. I'll consult my doctor to find out if it's right for me. Erections lasting longer than four hours....oh wait, wrong forum.

Actually with the content of posts recently, it seems to be the main topic focus; Normie with his geographic penis analysis, Alfi and that bear thing(WTF?) and Richie...well cock/knob/tadger/spam javelin/ luncheon meat truncheon/etc always seem to be in there somewhere.

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