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Is trance dying?
When i first started really getting into electronic music, i was all about trance. The first mixtape/live set i got my hands on was PVD at gallery turnmills like 3 years ago and right after that, i listened to any trance i could get my hands on. Three years later, im still listening to electronic music- i even started spinning but my interest in trance is declining more and more. I live in LA and all the major clubs out here play more house/progressive than anything. Big house DJs draw the largest crowds. I go out a lot and i hadnt heard a trance dj in about 8 months until last week when i saw Armin van Burren at the Myan. It was a cool show but i just never really got that into it. At the end of the night i came to the conclusion that trance is to electronic music as punk is to rock. It follows the same basic equation in almost every song - for trance its a chord or two with a gang of synths and about 140 BPM behind it for punk- its a few chords strung together with the same basic beat and some vocals. There are obviously really good trance songs out there that break out of this mold but i feel like they're becoming rarer. It seems as if the whole scene is moving away from trance and more towards house/progressive/breaks. Look at oakenfold and sasha's new album- none of them were ever trance djs but the trancey elements of their music was removed in their last albums and replaced by breaks. (I know everyone hates Oakenfold but he is one of the most influential people in electronic music) Trance songs are increasingly sounding more and more alike and i think artists are begining to look at other genres to pick up where trance leaves off and people like me are making the same evolution. Its almost as if everyone has been painting with watercolors and are now begining to discover oil paints and sculptures. Does anyone feel as if electronic music is evolving into something different which strays from trance?
couldn't agree more, well said
i find more an dmore people
feel like this lately to
Yeah totally agree the whole scene is progressing, as you say it has happened with other genres of muisc.
Time change. Perhaps in a year or two this will be called ProgAddict 
i don't agree at all. For me, it has been electronic music since 92. So much has changed since then, but trance has always been around. Style changes, yes, but that's normal. The music always kind of sounds "the same". But one year from now, new songs will still sound "the same" but a lot different from 2 years ago.
For me the biggest change came with the end of the "real" hardtrance (now called Rave) around '96/'97. Tunes weren't produced at 160+ bpm anymore (for whatever reason, I still don't understand).
We had discussions then that now everybody would start listening to D'n'B or later to Speed Garage. But none of that happened.
Trance will be around for MUCH longer. That's my german point of view, I don't know if house can replace trance in the US/UK.
You live in LA, that's your problem..
If you move to a Trance nation like...Holland, Germany, Australia, UK etc. Then you'll know that Trance has been left unscathed.
What REALLY is going to be the death of trance (IF it's gonna happen) is these goddamn cheese artists who put people off from the real trance.
Even in Finnish national tv they've started advertising Ian van Dahl's album as "trance album of the year" ffs...
Trance in my life and I hope it stays this way for a good few more years! still get spine tingles etc! playing trance infront of 600+ people is amazing not a better feeling in my mind.
Trance is dying.
Its suffering from a rare degenerative disease, and its only a matter of time. Parents Techno and House have been informed, and they have decided, when the time comes, to turn off the life support system and donate the organs... and synths.
Cousin prog is distraght, but is just doing the same thing over and over again, its his way of dealing with the loss.
Sister Hardtrance is saddened, but is secretely loving all the extra attention that is being directed towards her.
Brother Breaks is angry and is currently dealing with the news by chopping up every beat that he can find.
NRG, is too young to even grasp what is going on.
Uncle cheeze does what he always does, gets drunk and passes out on top of aunt commercial.
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| Originally posted by Mr.Mystery What REALLY is going to be the death of trance (IF it's gonna happen) is these goddamn cheese artists who put people off from the real trance. Even in Finnish national tv they've started advertising Ian van Dahl's album as "trance album of the year" ffs... |
Re:Is trance dying?
Well, not really
Im not sure if I agree. I do agree with the punk-trance comparison, the tunes are built on structure that the majority of producers follow. Some tunes come along that break the mold, but IMHO some of the very talented producers are able to stick to that precitable and consistent mold, and still be good to listen to. That's just my opinion and maybe there's a lot of u out there that get bored with the same old synths and strings just arranged differently. But at the same time, trance gets a lot of attention in european countries, and a fair bit over here in the UK. So because of that I don't think it will die for a long time, nor do i reckon it will be taken over by prog (i hope to god that it doesn't!)
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| Originally posted by Wasted_Space Trance is dying. Its suffering from a rare degenerative disease, and its only a matter of time. Parents Techno and House have been informed, and they have decided, when the time comes, to turn off the life support system and donate the organs... and synths. Cousin prog is distraght, but is just doing the same thing over and over again, its his way of dealing with the loss. Sister Hardtrance is saddened, but is secretely loving all the extra attention that is being directed towards her. Brother Breaks is angry and is currently dealing with the news by chopping up every beat that he can find. NRG, is too young to even grasp what is going on. Uncle cheeze does what he always does, gets drunk and passes out on top of aunt commercial. |
Disco died down for a while, now it's back. Metal died for a while, now it's back. They both came back with the same purposes and the same intents, even though the sound and look was updated a little.
In the case of metal, you had a small set of diehard bands like Overkill and Savatage who continued to put out albums and kept their fans happy during the drought years. If trance really dies down, I'd like to see the same thing.
And the problem with this genre is, either it's HUGE or it's "dying". Not even the producers and DJs are loyal to it, and that sucks bigtime!
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| Originally posted by Wasted_Space Trance is dying. Its suffering from a rare degenerative disease, and its only a matter of time. Parents Techno and House have been informed, and they have decided, when the time comes, to turn off the life support system and donate the organs... and synths. Cousin prog is distraght, but is just doing the same thing over and over again, its his way of dealing with the loss. Sister Hardtrance is saddened, but is secretely loving all the extra attention that is being directed towards her. Brother Breaks is angry and is currently dealing with the news by chopping up every beat that he can find. NRG, is too young to even grasp what is going on. Uncle cheeze does what he always does, gets drunk and passes out on top of aunt commercial. |
esp. the one about Brother Breaks 
I don't know about dying. People have been saying that for a while, and although it does worry me, the feeling I get now is that trance is making a comeback. It may be a bit harder sometimes, but at least it hasn't been swallowed up by a surge of hard house clubs (which is what I was scared of last year when quite a few people that I know that used to love trance became hard house lovers.) Jules (for what his opinions worth!?) said he feels trance is making a comeback.
I hope that as long as big name DJs keep pulling in the crowds (e.g. PVD, Tiesto (waits to be flamed 
), Armin, Ferry and the like) there will still be quality trance for devoted followers. I worry about the crowds, they gotta keep loving trance for trance to keep going! If things like Crasher going monthly help Crasher to retain its reputation as a bangin' superclub then so be it, sad as it is. If it stayed weekly and couldn't fill up I suppose in the end, it would get a slating. There are still DJs like these keeping trance (and trance-like tunage) alive because they have a passion for that kind of music. I just hope they don't ever lose it! 
And that euro-cheese-shite that is getting trance a bad name shouldn't be allowed. Who likes that shit anyway? Ten year olds who haven't got over Steps splitting up thats who. 
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| Originally posted by Teknikol I say when all this cheese crap is out of the world because the main crowd doesn't like it anymore trance will be just as good as usual. Today trance still is made, but less than before I think. So when the hype is over, the so called "scene" will turn "underground" again. (my thougths) |
I don't think it's dying, I think it's evolving, if slowly, theres too many people using the same sounds, same beat patterns, same everything, we need people to experiment & not be afraid, but take this as my backing up...
1999 Atb got famous to a lot of us with his stuff, but almost everything he produced had the same pitchy thing used in it, and it became boring & shit, so people hated him
We don't need to lose our origins, but we do need to bring in new sounds, and not be afraid to, trance will never die, it has too many possibilities, but as well as that, the point Mr Mystery bought up is typical, u go into a shop & ask for trance, they say ian van dahl, ok some remixes are, but that is music made for commercial gain and not to satisfy the clubbers, aka cheese, we need less ignorance from them and to bin that fucking shite stuff b4 it harms us
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| Originally posted by Dj_Psygnosis You live in LA, that's your problem.. |
Well as far as MY opinion goes, i totally agree with the orignal posts analogy between punk and trance. Very good job there. I totally agree with the post through and through, i just hope i never totally lose my love for trance.
Well.. I have to say I cant agree with trance dieing... this have been a rumour floating around for awhile now.
I must admit the beginning of 2002 didnt look very good.. there were more remixes than original tracks available... but this is changing very quickly!
I have been vinyl shopping twice in the last 3 weeks and I have to say for the first time this year I picked up a tonne of tracks! First week 20 tracks last weekend another 18... there is some GREAT stuff coming out right now.
Course this is coming from the east coast of the US.. I hear in the west coast things are changing. I just spoke with my friend who came back from burning man and he said more ppl were interested in the places that weren't spinning trance.. more acid jazzy progressive stuff. I think the biggest problem is all the shit remix releases that came out early this year have pushed ppl away. Although I do believe that once the new stuff gets out and played people will come running back.
Part of the problem is the top DJs aren't spinning the new stuff as quick as they should.. I recently heard Oakie live and he spun a set that was quite similar to a set he played earlier this yr??? wtf?? I think the other part of the problem is that the top DJs aren't helping to spread the word about the new stuff. Us little guys are playing all the new amazing stuff.. but our names are not out there enough to hear the music.
Just give it some time... If you aren't a DJ and are not buying vinyl I can see why you would think this.. if you are a DJ out there and hearing the stuff I am hearing then I would imagine you feel the same as I do.
Trance Forever!@!
peace
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| Originally posted by Dj_Psygnosis You live in LA, that's your problem.. If you move to a Trance nation like...Holland, Germany, Australia, UK etc. Then you'll know that Trance has been left unscathed. |
i dont think trance is dying (i bloody hope not anyhow), loadsa mint vinyls coming out and cds.
I actually did start getting sick of repetative trance about 2 weeks ago, downloading tunes and looking forward to hearing them then being disapointed all the time got me down a bit. i was out lasnt week shopping and just bought a loada vinyl the week before, so didnt bohter getting anyhing. i was loooking at the trance cds in hmv and decided to buy paul van dyks politics off adncing mix cd as ive heard so much good comment about it.
got home and hammered it, i was so chuffed that it didnt sound repetative. i absolutely love this cd and have felt the buzz of trance like i used to once again, the cd is quite old but if this kinda music is gonna keep being produced then id say no worries. i know im not gonna stop luving the genre even if it does go underground and less people r into it.
i totally agree that cheesey music they play on tv andd radio is killing trance, i wanna scream wen someone asks me if ive heard the nu ian van dahl or watever cos they know im into trance. i hate it so much , im like > nooooooooo , its bulshitttttttttt. but anyway. all of these sad people who buy this cheese are wasting there money and proberbly would b more into proper trance if they heard it.
anyways, thatss imo.
Mick
you must be on crack if you think trance is dying..
*As Fuzzy Green puts on his headphones playing Art of Trance - Love Washes over(Airwave mix)*
Nope, trance is not dead.
yea i think trance is crap at the moment. armin is the only dj i know thast playing new songs and he usually throws in the same stuff over and over probably because he cant find any new goood tracks to fill his show. i think trance is getting boring, its not fun to dance to, its not good party music in the u.s.a., is often difficult to mix harmony wise, and is overall frustrating for a dj. i like progressive house/trance better. its alot better sounding on the decks and people enjoy it more at parties. i also think alot of you people here are tools and dont even know what you like.
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