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Posted by tehlord on Jan-26-2013 16:16:

Nord Lead 4? (speculation ahoy)

Check it out at 3.45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbZY...outu.be&t=3m43s



Posted by Deillon on Jan-26-2013 16:18:

I hope it will be red


Posted by Looney4Clooney on Jan-26-2013 17:50:

release the fucking software.

They have it, they could start selling it tomorrow. Even the modular G2. That is actually what annoys me the most. They have nothing to lose by selling the modular as software. IT appeals to a different crowd than their NL2 which still sells.

clavia and waldorf are two companies run by fucking morons. It is really fucking hard to believe they are German.


Posted by tehlord on Jan-26-2013 18:42:

Clavia is Swedish you fucking noob.

And this is about the LEAD!! Not your modular obsession


Posted by evo8 on Jan-26-2013 20:09:

With so much analog stuff coming out I wonder what could Nord bring out that would get people to purchase??
Maybe something like Access's Total Integration?


Posted by DJ RANN on Jan-26-2013 20:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
release the fucking software.

They have it, they could start selling it tomorrow. Even the modular G2. That is actually what annoys me the most. They have nothing to lose by selling the modular as software. IT appeals to a different crowd than their NL2 which still sells.

clavia and waldorf are two companies run by fucking morons. It is really fucking hard to believe they are German.


I wish it would ahppen but if they have any business brains, they will NEVER release the software.

It's what single handedly killed waldorf; the released all their hardware synths in easy to pirate editions, and it sunk the company within 18 short months.

All the Virus synths are nothing more than software running on expensive dongles. There's absolutely nothing about them that couldn't be a native AU or a VST, but Access understand they'll all be unemployed if they ever release a softsynth version of their hardware. The total integration is purely a another form of Software protection as you have to have hardware to make it work.


Posted by Looney4Clooney on Jan-26-2013 23:45:

they have already released the G2 software. You get 1 voice. I mean it makes no fucking sense. And the model is discontinued with no plans ever to bring it back. Its just a different crowd. Most vst collectors won't know what to do with it but those that enjoy such things will pay. It truly is one of a kind. And it sounds as good as the hardware if you run it at 96k which you can even in the demo.


Posted by DJ RANN on Jan-27-2013 00:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
they have already released the G2 software. You get 1 voice. I mean it makes no fucking sense. And the model is discontinued with no plans ever to bring it back. Its just a different crowd. Most vst collectors won't know what to do with it but those that enjoy such things will pay. It truly is one of a kind. And it sounds as good as the hardware if you run it at 96k which you can even in the demo.


Well, I get it when the item is discontinued but different manufacturers have differnt takes.

When I was speaking to Bob Mogue, he didn't give a shit that his classic synths were made in to softsynths. He actually told me that with premium grade converters and a nice signal chain (all thing being equal etc) there was no difference between the minimoog software and the real thing thing in terms of sound. Might also be because he lost the use of his own name for 20 years and didn't get all precious about it.

Other manufacturers, like to preserve their "legacy" and their historical brand image by keeping discontinued items as hardware. It keeps the second hand market buoyant for those items and gives them prestige for existing models.


Posted by Looney4Clooney on Jan-27-2013 02:05:

there is no fucking way he really deep down felt they were equivalent. I mean the implementation of their oscillators is just awful. I'm sure he felt flattered. I 'm sure he received some duckets to line the pockets. I don't know. Maybe he was digging the 500 hz. I mean how old was he ?

it was cool at the time. They have really done fuck all since.

And clavia , people that use modular synths are more like academics. They share. That is just the nature of the community.It is just odd that they still have the demo which is fully functional and sounds as good. I've made a comparison as I have both the g1 and g2. Well the g2. G1 is using a different engine. Basically the g1 is using the NL2 enginer, G2 using the NL3. People that are into modular synths are older , nerds and buy stuff. They aren't the preset downloading sylenth kin. There is no overhead. The code is completely done. Fuck give it for free. I mean they have nothing to lose.

I just ordered the dsp expansion for both. Reaktor is just not fun. I mean it was way more powerful but it is just so fucking tedious. The clavia modular concept was one of a kind. I can't believe they would just let it fade away.


Posted by jayxthekoolest on Jan-27-2013 02:28:

Re: Nord Lead 4? (speculation ahoy)

quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
Check it out at 3.45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbZY...outu.be&t=3m43s




When is the event that he references?


Posted by Looney4Clooney on Jan-27-2013 02:36:

add stereo to their nord drum. lol. What a piece of shit. Seriously. A drum synth where you can't automate parameters on the fly. I think everyone that used to run it is now dead. The wanker department with their pointless revisions on their keyboard units is running the show.

I remember they invented the first drum triggers or at least the one that people used decades ago. It was a huge deal in terms of modern recordings in that people were getting sounds that nobody could figure out because they concept of layering was still in its infancy. They used to so far ahead of the curve.


Posted by cristianokeller on Jan-27-2013 03:14:

To late to remember the roots! Where's the Nord Lead 3X???

I was waiting for the 3X/4 lot of years ago...

See here:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...d/t-597322.html


Now I'll always prefer Sylenth1, Massive and other new goodies!!! Well I still love the Virus sounds and would like to have one of the real analogs like moog Little Phatty and DSIs...

I'll not buy any Nord synth anymore...


Posted by Looney4Clooney on Jan-27-2013 03:22:

the NL is obsolete. Especially with all those cheap analog synths in the last few years that just blow it out of the water.

Software is also as good or better. The only synths that sell are ones that are either analog and understood to be raw or preset machines with lots of effects like the virus. The NL is neither. And the preset machine cutoff is rather low in terms of how much you can sell it for.

And i doubt they will have a virus like integration and as always , they are not a company that tends to have presets that would inspire the new producer to buy it.

Thank god jesus and old rockers in cover bands still exist. That is were they make their money.


Posted by tehlord on Jan-27-2013 10:33:

I think you're missing the point.

If you're looking for a capable, inexpensive, nice sounding VA hardware synth the the Lead/Rack is still very relevant. Not everybody wants a billion routing options that require a mouse and a hunchback stare at a monitor screen.

Plugins get on my tits tbh, just such a chore to program.


Posted by cristianokeller on Jan-27-2013 11:45:

Looney4Clooney,

I agree, Clavia is for pop rock bands!! yeah!! LOL
And everything started with Alanis Morissete.


Hardware synths are still used live anyaway and have their value, for example, FOR FUN!!!


But man, software synthesizers are damn good these days!!! Want a proof??? Compare the sound of old synths i.e V-station, Disco DSP Discovery, to the new ones, it's incredible how the older v-synths sounded so digital.

Newer synth can sound as good as hardware synths, nothing that an exciter or a saturator or any other kind of phatenner on the chain doesn't help!!!

-> Open your Sylenth1 and put and BBE Sonic maximizer in the chain! Compare with your hardware synth now. But compare with your A/D converter ON!!! The two sounds must output from the same source!!!


Posted by tehlord on Jan-27-2013 11:50:

I can drive faster in Forza than I can in real life. So it's better.


Posted by cristianokeller on Jan-27-2013 11:57:

Well, Skrillex and other kids rock the world with their laptops! And they earn REAL money!

To be a winner with hardware synths you must spend much more money than the synth itself!

You need a F*CKING good A/D converter!

That's the point!


Posted by tehlord on Jan-27-2013 12:12:

I'm already a winner.


Posted by cristianokeller on Jan-27-2013 12:37:




This is good!!!


Posted by cristianokeller on Jan-27-2013 12:38:

But winners don't play Forza!!! Winners play BF3!!!!!! Fuck yeah BF3 is good!!!!!!


Posted by tehlord on Jan-27-2013 12:58:

Exactly


Posted by Looney4Clooney on Jan-28-2013 00:52:

quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
I think you're missing the point.

If you're looking for a capable, inexpensive, nice sounding VA hardware synth the the Lead/Rack is still very relevant. Not everybody wants a billion routing options that require a mouse and a hunchback stare at a monitor screen.

Plugins get on my tits tbh, just such a chore to program.


it isn't really that affordable especially when no store carries the rack when compared to what is out there. It sells but not that well. The synth will never sell to the new breed of producers because of its dry signal path. Those that understand and appreciate why you might want that will opt for one of the newer analog synths.

I think it has been placed in a weird category. IT won't appeal to new producers. And old producers already have one or go the analog route.

And the nord modular doesn't require a computer once you've maded your patch, More buttons as well. I can do everything a NL2 can do. I mean it uses the same engine except on steroids.


Posted by TranceLover007 on Jan-28-2013 03:32:

quote:
Originally posted by cristianokeller
But winners don't play Forza!!! Winners play BF3!!!!!! Fuck yeah BF3 is good!!!!!!


S***t man, I'm already s winner and don't even know it lol - BF3 !!!

Cheers


Posted by tehlord on Jan-28-2013 09:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
it isn't really that affordable especially when no store carries the rack when compared to what is out there. It sells but not that well. The synth will never sell to the new breed of producers because of its dry signal path. Those that understand and appreciate why you might want that will opt for one of the newer analog synths.

I think it has been placed in a weird category. IT won't appeal to new producers. And old producers already have one or go the analog route.

And the nord modular doesn't require a computer once you've maded your patch, More buttons as well. I can do everything a NL2 can do. I mean it uses the same engine except on steroids.



I see it as the first 'proper' affordable synth. It's a step up from the likes of the Blofeld (perhaps not in terms of sonic ability, but the UI), Gaia, Novation Nova's etc etc, but at least half the price of stuff like the Virus, V-synths and all the shitty workstations that the Japs spew out. I also like the fact that it's dry as it allows you to focus on programming, not polishing.

You can still get the rack here too, it's only about $750.

It'd be good to see some kind of DAW integration though. It's not like they don't have a history of hardware/software hybrids.


Posted by Richard Butler on Jan-28-2013 14:35:

tehlord, you mentioning hard to prgramme synths minded me of one I bought once.

It was an Ensoniq - at the time the drums sounded insane to me, and I've yet to experience that blow away factor since, but it was impossible to programme or use so I took it back to the shop.

What happened to that firm?


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