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Can We sustain ourselves with petroleum?

Obviously one of the largest poltical / social issues in the world right now. With quantities dwindling world wide, new sources are obviously becoming much more necessary. the fact that so much of what we accomplish relies on such a minute resource boggles the mind (or atleast my mind).

My belief is, is that the same companies that jumped on the bandwagon to make oil used exclusively, will all start searching for alternative methods now in order to sustain themselves. the only solution i see fit is housing many different sources of energy, spreading the demand out accross a greater plane...

What do you feel about this topic in general, and specifically, what other energy sources do you feel are capable and realistically appicable to our dire need for energy?

For electricity we can use wind power (Coastal areas), solar power (warm areas) or hydropower (mountain areas)

The alternative to petrol will be hydrogen or natural gas

fusion power... one day..

Well, we can have water powered boats can't we?

Science got us into this mess .. I'm sure it will pull us out too..

But we need real leaders with backbone, rather than politicians. This is a problem across the world, not just in any particular country..

one day we can breed hampsters at a huge capacity, and make them run on a treadmill, so we can harness that energy.

its either that or fusion. may the race begin

the one good thing about this problem is that it is very blatant and obvious. no one can ignore the fact that we are consuming a massive amount of oil that took hundreds of thousands of years to come into being, within the short frame of one hundred-plus years.

I think if anyone suggests jumping to another resource and desires to tackle that one soley, their a fool (as many politicians wish to do). Obviously there is not one resource on this planet that can satisfy our inconcievable need for energy. The only imagineable way to possibly conquer this bitch, in my opinion, is to pluck energy from many different sources. Water, sun, wind, coal, natural gas... ect..

well, the need for a new source of energy is definatly a priority.
But the oil we have now on earth will still last for atlease 20+ years. But as the demand for a new energy source increases, the development process, would also increase. Meaning once they really need another source, that's when they'll really put in an effort to find one, or begin using some of the available mothods, solar power, hydrolic, etc, and well, you still have some coal left...

think about the disrtibution of oil...

what will happen when there are dwindling quantities and some countries have a lot and some none ( as is the case already, but of course it will be much worse)..

WAR??....

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Originally posted by trancedfarmer no one can ignore the fact that we are consuming a massive amount of oil that took hundreds of thousands of years to come into being, within the short frame of one hundred-plus years.

More like millions of years!
Almost all the oil comes from decomposed matter, that over many years, having the right pressure and temperature, have decomposed further to form oil.
For ex. the creatures in the sea, after they die, their remainings fall to the bottom of the ocean, and over a long period of time, and the very huge pressure,and right temp, turns into oil. that's kinda like a very basic way to see it...

There are plenty other choices:

Cars -> here in Brazil, the government supports the use of cars that use alcohol instead of petroleum. There would be no need for "oil wars" in this case.

Electricity -> hhmmm... there's nuclear energy, but it does cause some pollution too. But there's also wind power, solar power, ....

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Originally posted by webmeister we need real leaders with backbone, rather than politicians. This is a problem across the world, not just in any particular country..

**applause**

Wind, wave, hydro and solar power is the way to go in my mind. Nuclear power is great as a intermediate step, but the resources are apparently to sparse for consumption by the entire planet for a prolonged period.

it will all balance out in the worlds free market...
right now oil is probably the cheapest ways to produce energy, but when the supply will start to dwindle and prices start to soar the obvious outcome is that energy will be gotten from cheaper sorces. demand will always want the cheapest source, right now its oil...
actually it may be so far longer then we expected. I got to a University which is #1 in the nation (possibly in the world) for petrolium engineering and you wouldnt belive the projects they have going here. i can say that there is more untapped reserves of oil then one thinks. right now they say that in the Rwanda area in africa lies a big pot of black gold, add to that the ever increasing effeciency of using oil to make energy (example, better and better miles per gallon on cars) will extend the life of oil...
but alas the future will hold great technological advances and we will be able to produce great quantities of energy for cheaper prices.

Rwanda would be better off without it

someone who knows something about science explain to me what the whole hydrogen fuel idea is... if it requires the use of water, i think thats the stupidest fucking idea ive ever heard of... we dont have enough water right now for agriculture, consumption and the variety of other uses! but maybe im confused about the whole hydrogen thing... every time someone has tried to articulate to me the concept it seemed like scientists wanted to take water and turn it into fuel.... hmmm..

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Originally posted by trancedfarmer someone who knows something about science explain to me what the whole hydrogen fuel idea is... if it requires the use of water, i think thats the stupidest fucking idea ive ever heard of... we dont have enough water right now for agriculture, consumption and the variety of other uses! but maybe im confused about the whole hydrogen thing... every time someone has tried to articulate to me the concept it seemed like scientists wanted to take water and turn it into fuel.... hmmm..

I could be totally wrong on this, but I think you could use seawater, which can't be used for agriculture, consumption, etc... and is, uh, fairly abundant.

has to be purified, which takes electricity, which we are also short on... de-salinization plants are expensive... they would have to find a new way to take the salt out of the water... but does the hydrogen process really take water... still not sure

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Originally posted by trancedfarmer has to be purified, which takes electricity, which we are also short on... de-salinization plants are expensive... they would have to find a new way to take the salt out of the water... but does the hydrogen process really take water... still not sure

Are you sure it has to be desalinized? I'm not sure why it would be necessary if you're just breaking the water down to get hydrogen.

there is a definate distinction between salt water and purified H20... im not positive either about whether or not they could just seperate the salt when the seperate the hydrogen... hopefully someone else can clue us in on this experimental process.

it's like the reverse of letting electricity pass thru water. it sepperates the water into hydrogen at the cathode and oxygen at the anode.
so if you let oxygen and hydrogen flow around two plates serving as anodes and cathodes, they are chemically atracted to eachother. this creates usuable electricity and the byproducts are heat and water.

so water goes in, steam comes out?

of course, petroleum jelly makes ur arse slick so u can be banged more easily.

lol


no, no steam.
it's not a very efficient way anyway. to create pure hydrogen more electricity is required than it will produce.

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR of course, petroleum jelly makes ur arse slick so u can be banged more easily.

its good too have a sizeable ego

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Originally posted by trancedfarmer so water goes in, steam comes out?

I think you got it in reverse....

I believe the car takes in hydrogen, and the end result, which goes out of the exaust is water.
I'm pretty sure that's how it goes.

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