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Democrat or Republicans ?

Which party do you like to have control over the US ? now with George Bush ( Republican ) we can see how REPUBLICANS ARE .. while Bill Clinton represents what the DEMOCRATS are ... this is just an example for outsiders..

President George Bush (R)

for all the democrats: check my sig

Clinton lied to the nation = impeached

Great Democrat Leader heh?

>JM<

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Originally posted by Juricimo President George Bush (R) for all the democrats: check my sig Clinton lied to the nation = impeached Great Democrat Leader heh? >JM<

I tend to agree... I think one plus about clinton was economic prosperity.. but I think even clinton himself would have admitted his lack of national policy, and ability in national affairs.



I think it is sad people respect a leader who will lie to them.... but I guess that is there choice..


(R) I tend to agree mostly with Republican policies.. but there are a few things that I do not think either party hits on that I'd like to change.. but I will not go into it now :P

If I had to choose, I'd have to go with the Democrats.

The vast majority of Democrats are stupid, but the Republicans are downright dangerous.

Of course, over the last couple of decades, the two parties have become eerily similar. But still for now I think the Democrats are the lesser of two evils, mainly because the Republicans inexplicably allow themselves to be associated with religion in ways I cannot stomach.

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I think it is sad people respect a leader who will lie to them.... but I guess that is there choice..

Personally, I think it is sad that a good leader could be persecuted for having "sexual relations" with another woman. Clinton did a lot of good things, not just for his own country but for the rest of the planet, and I think it is indicative, in a way, of Republican values that they should try and impeach him on the grounds of what was, essentially, their own self-righteous, puritanical moral outlook.

He may have lied, sure, but to be honest I think what he lied about was far too trivial to condone the fuss that followed. So what if he did or did not have sex with Monica Lewisnki? A president should be judged on his policies, not what he does in his bedroom (or the oval office in this case ). Besides, it's not as though he was the first politician ever to "lie" in front of the public.

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Of course, over the last couple of decades, the two parties have become eerily similar.

Important point, and one I can associate with here (given that both the Labour and Liberal parties here are moderate right with their policies, and don't seem to disagree on too much). What the point of having a democracy if the only choices offer more or less the same result?

I still keep wondering
a, if gore had been elected, would the 9/11 actions have happened (99% yes) but still...
b, how Gore would have handled the terrorism issue...
Personally I cant imagine him in the role of a hard man fighting the terrosits worldwide (which can be seen negatively or positively by many of you)

Osama would have fuckin' laughed at Gore. lol.

If Gore would have taken over office we would be in the same mess we are now. It's not because we have a Republican in office. To say so is ignorance. The president himself is about 5% of what goes on in our country at any given time. He alone does not make or brake a nation. He can't. I'm not saying if a Democrat too over that things would be worse. I'm saying that we don't know.

But the Republicans seem to have a better head on their shoulders when it comes to political issues. I will agree our economy was better with Clinton, but our economy goes in upward and downward swings anyway.

And as for Clinton, I think he should have just said "Hell yeah, and it was good!"

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blame it on the socio-democratic-liberal activists - those close minded fools that reject to hear other opinions and press for what they want until they end up going against what they stand for; whatever that may be.

ROFL. Thats fuckin' awesome!

Well, WE dont know nor say PERCENTAGE if Osama would have attacked if Gore was on charge, nor we CANT say or see how he would have handled it. I think BUSH used the opportunity of TERRORISM to get it involved with politics, as it has showned, his been hanging with it for quite a long time now, its Nationalism that keeps him up there, if there was not TERRORIST attack, what would it be for this country ? it was allready going downfall with Bush been on charge.

As of Clinton, its HIS freaking LIFE ! the nation is not suppost to care what the president does with his personal life, if he LIED he had a reason to, he arguably had in stake his reputation and family matters, which if he did wrong, its a FAMILY buisness, not a NATIONS buiseness. Its not a lie like Republicans have done in the past with PROPAGANDA and so on . At last, Bush is using the attack agaisnt Iraq as a way to push his popularity ( only for NATIONAL means ) ... where its his war on terrorism ? ? Bin Ladin lately ? ..

If you're a tranceaddict and a Republican you're a bigass hypocrite.

Our electronic music movement is a progressive one in essence, read the RAVE Act if you wanna see what Republicans think of the music and culture we love.

Why do you think trance is the biggest in the Netherlands, the most progressive and liberal place on Earth? Because society is open-minded and can understand the most innovative artistic expressions on Earth.

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Originally posted by DJ P�O If you're a tranceaddict and a Republican you're a bigass hypocrite. Our electronic music movement is a progressive one in essence, read the RAVE Act if you wanna see what Republicans think of the music and culture we love. Why do you think trance is the biggest in the Netherlands, the most progressive and liberal place on Earth? Because society is open-minded and can understand the most innovative artistic expressions on Earth.

im sorry thats just plain BS...
firstly the RAVE act is a non-partisan act... as in both sides are for it. infact only the senate has voted in favor of the act, and remember who has the majority in the senate right now, yup the democrats. the house has yet to act on the measure.

i tend to favor republicans more only because they take an approach closer to mine when it comes to foriegn policy, which is the most important issue for me. even on the economic sense i prefer R over D. but when it comes to other issues such as religion and social liberalism i tend to favor democrats a lot more, i feel on those issues the republicans are so damn conservative and afraid of change.

however that said i really do feel the line between R and D is blurred here in the states. i mean sheesh i see ads that go "vote for me, a democrat, because i will improve our education system." come on how exactly does the democratic party differ then the republican on this one? they both want to improve the education... no real difference in how one can do that other then setting aside more money for it, has nothing to do with party lines. same goes for a bunch of other local issues (home insurance for one which is a big issue now in texas).

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Originally posted by Izzy im sorry thats just plain BS... firstly the RAVE act is a non-partisan act... as in both sides are for it. infact only the senate has voted in favor of the act, and remember who has the majority in the senate right now, yup the democrats. the house has yet to act on the measure. i tend to favor republicans more only because they take an approach closer to mine when it comes to foriegn policy, which is the most important issue for me. even on the economic sense i prefer R over D. but when it comes to other issues such as religion and social liberalism i tend to favor democrats a lot more, i feel on those issues the republicans are so damn conservative and afraid of change. however that said i really do feel the line between R and D is blurred here in the states. i mean sheesh i see ads that go "vote for me, a democrat, because i will improve our education system." come on how exactly does the democratic party differ then the republican on this one? they both want to improve the education... no real difference in how one can do that other then setting aside more money for it, has nothing to do with party lines. same goes for a bunch of other local issues (home insurance for one which is a big issue now in texas).

The RAVE Act may be non-partisan but it is extremely right wing in its essence. There's no huge difference btw. Democrats and Republicans in most issues right now b/c they have both moved to the center for obvious political gains. But in social issues, such as the RAVE act, Democrats will naturally be way more open minded and accepting that the old guard of the GOP.

You also mention foreign policy and I see a Israel flag in your avatar. No great difference there btw. both parties either. Well, Republicans are more nationalistic, isolationist and protectionist----Ideals that imo also go against the electronica culture which promotes global equality and the erosion of frontiers through music that is not intrinsic to any particular national culture.

Two things: DJ P�O: directly attacking republicans is almost taunting flames... please do not call them 'big ass hippocrates'... dissing on other people for their beliefs is retarted... just explain your view, and flame wars wont start.. you came in here when only views were asked and started attacking all TA republicans.


Liquid X... typing in big BOLD letters that are all caps does not make your points any more valid....



I personally think the RAVE act is more an act of 'older people' than one of a particular party.... parties will always happen... maybe other things need to change.. who knows...





but please guys, no flames... and no trying to act like you are bigger or more important.............................



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Originally posted by inatrance Two things: DJ P�O: directly attacking republicans is almost taunting flames... please do not call them 'big ass hippocrates'... dissing on other people for their beliefs is retarted... just explain your view, and flame wars wont start.. you came in here when only views were asked and started attacking all TA republicans. Liquid X... typing in big BOLD letters that are all caps does not make your points any more valid.... I personally think the RAVE act is more an act of 'older people' than one of a particular party.... parties will always happen... maybe other things need to change.. who knows... but please guys, no flames... and no trying to act like you are bigger or more important............................. .

Hey i'm not flaming republicans, i have many republican friends (they don't listen to trance though). I'm just saying that this scene has ideals that are not quite compatible with any right wing philosophy and I gave my reasons for that already. Peace.

Democrats, Republicans. Whats the difference? It doesnt matter which party controls Congress because BOTH parties are controlled by Big Business, the Military Industrial Complex and the Israel Lobby.

Americas problems-ALL OF THEM stem from the fact that it has a corrupt electoral system.

I have read academic studies into the american political system and neither party really wants to change the campaign contribution laws because both parties benefits. What you have is a one party state with two factions, one conservative the other ultra conservative.

Let's see what those who claim to be Reps here will think when the 4th Reich starts...well it has already started anyway...

This is a VERY sad day for America and the World.
Bush's already with his war on Iraq thing...see his upcoming resolution at the UN.

Enjoy trance and parties while you still can !

Which one is the lesser of the two evils again?

Poi, don't start that bullshit. The RAVE law is the product of Old Geezers from both the democratic and republican parties. Those guys that couldn't hear the music in a club to know if it does all that shit they say it does or not. Saying it has shit to do with Parties is fuckin' retarded. Democrats have passed the bill so far when the Republican House hasn't! So how the fuck is it a Republican bill? It' bullshit either way you look at it, but damnitall man, there are plenty of Republican ravers. Get out of your isolated liberal society and meet people.

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Originally posted by SpykeChyld Poi, don't start that bullshit. The RAVE law is the product of Old Geezers from both the democratic and republican parties. Those guys that couldn't hear the music in a club to know if it does all that shit they say it does or not. Saying it has shit to do with Parties is fuckin' retarded. Democrats have passed the bill so far when the Republican House hasn't! So how the fuck is it a Republican bill? It' bullshit either way you look at it, but damnitall man, there are plenty of Republican ravers. Get out of your isolated liberal society and meet people.

I know that both parties co-sponsor the RAVE Act, fuck those Democrats that voted for it as well, but you can't deny that it is an act of right wing reactionary policy. I'm just saying that the Democrats are the lesser of two evils, and it is a fact that Republicans are way more extreme. And this is why I'm getting the fuck out of the US to a real progressive liberal society where people are tolerated for who they are--AMSTERDAM!

America is turning into a society like Chili 20 years ago.

What human rights?

The comment about Amsterdam is more than just an example. Any American visting Holland would never leave anymore if they could.

Dutch people allow anything as long as it doesn't harm other people.
Drugs? It's your live. Hookers? It's your dick.

What happens when you get unemployed here? You get government support so you don't have to go out stealing stuff.

Yes, we pay a lot of taxes. 37-50 %. ButI rather have pay that much than having to go to the supermarket with foodstamps.

how much do unemployed people get paid by the govt in Holland ?
i really wonder how much
i think in France that's about, let's say, 700 euros/month for the first year, or less, and something like 400 euros/month after one year

not really enough to live an okay life to me...unless they get much more money in Holland
i know for a fact that it's low enough for people to go out and steal as you say...or not exactly by stealing..but by selling drugs !
how many can i see in France who get money from the govt (those 400 euros/month) and are drug dealers, driving in the latest BMW's ?? Wonder it is in Holland

it's also too simple to say that drugs is only a personal thing...don't you think very young people can get addicted to drugs and fuck their own life so quickly by being influenced by others who already are having some serious drug issues ?

except for that, and from what i know, it seems like Holland is a great country at any rate, one of the bests in Europe for sure

well intrance, didnt know that BOLD words would bother you. My ex- gov't teacher is a republican, even looks republican - no offense but he was like the typical one, red face, kinda fat, and very very conservative, even in the way he dressed. He was always talking against minorities, jews ( which in my school theres many ), and was with BUSH ideas the whole 9 yards, well, thanks to his extremist ideas, and talking too much of his republican supportive ideas, he got fired. Now, he is not the only republican like it, John Ashcroft is hunting all inmigrants and treating them like they were terrorists, which I dont think its right in any way. If we, hopefully, dont forget who shutted New Yorks Superclubs ? Guilliani, republican, was against it all the way, what a close minded dude, im not talking 9/11 here, thats a whole different story...

Also, why Bush does not want to take the Venezuelan dictator out ? .. its all about interests. One thing is sure, with republican control, we will, if wanted by Bush, go to WAR. SO all the middle east, prepare for some very hard times to come, includes all the israelies, who by the way, have more then 400 nuclear weapons ( why can they have and not other countries have ? ! ? its been a big issue, very debateable.. makes me think alot of times, and ofcourse, jews will be in favor for that, and will give their explanations, but if we hear others views, its very debateable.

x-mas wish list

republican president - cuts taxes
democratic congress - increase spending on government services

after 4 years, let someone else worry about the fallout. :P

just out of curiosity, what kind of government is holland?
and can you describe how it works?

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Originally posted by SNAFU_man x-mas wish list republican president - cuts taxes democratic congress - increase spending on government services after 4 years, let someone else worry about the fallout. :P

Yeah I really like how Republican presidents always cut taxes. The problem I have with it is that they usually do so while increasing expenditures.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Yeah I really like how Republican presidents always cut taxes. The problem I have with it is that they usually do so while increasing expenditures.

that's why you want democrats in congress to check the appropriations and fund towards the public instead of $800 toilet seats on air force one.

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