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A poem i wrote in Gr 7 i felt like sharing it on this day.. feel free to share somthing about Rememberence day. Idea/thought/poem Whatever it may be

It's their day today.



Remember

Remember the soldiers that fought for our country
Remember those who fought for our freedom
Remember the people who gave up their lives to save ours
Remember out relatives who save our families and put there lives at stake
Remember the mountains called Montay Casino
Remember the solders that died there
Remember the poppies that grow on Montay Casino
Remember the amount of them for the loss of the soldier�s blood
Remember the soldiers that lay in Flanders fields
Remember the solders that are in our hearts that saved our lives.

Remember

whats rememberance day?

I wish i would care more about rememberance day Really, i mean it just feels the same every year. I dont know why but i dont really feel sad even though that i know many died for our country. am i the only crazy one? If i grew up during the time of the war, that would be different, but i think many of the younger ones will become more lost and 'out of touch' with rememberance day and the sacrifices of soldiers. its too bad rememberance does not have a very good impact on me and i wish it did

whats remeberance day?!?!?!

Another name for Memorial day!!!!

[sarcasm]considering the amount of effort putten into war by Canadians, memorial day is a very important and significant event[/sarcasm]


That being said, I don't want to enter a flame war against people who think Canadians saved the world, hence I run away and hide far far far from this thread

hehehe jk

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I dont know why but i dont really feel sad even though that i know many died for our country. am i the only crazy one? If i grew up during the time of the war, that would be different, but i think many of the younger ones will become more lost and 'out of touch' with rememberance day and the sacrifices of soldiers.

Well.. Let's see.. In theory, you should respect the people that fought for your freedom and liberty, sacrificing their lives, etc etc.. If you can't find a place in your heart for such respect, that is trully sad, considering the few remaining people of that era will be no more soon...

On another hand (see my previous post)< Canada not being touched even remotelly by WW2 (in fact, it was a period of great economic growth for Canada), I can UNDERSTAND why such values as veneration of war veterans is lost to you: you simply have nothing much to value.. I mean, yes, most of the few canadian soldiers sent to Normand shore died, but it's not like there were defending Canada or anything (if not interests).. They were simply the serving corps of the (mostly) volunteer army, and were to fight according to allie's requests...

So yeah..,. Here's my explanation to your apathy towards rememberance day

The only reason this day is very special to me is. beacuse poland go it's independnce back.. 84 years of freedom from Prusia, Russia, and Germany(austria)

i celibrate it as a scout.. as some of you might know..

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Originally posted by Julie_Spyder The only reason this day is very special to me is. beacuse poland go it's independnce back.. 84 years of freedom from Prusia, Russia, and Germany(austria) i celibrate it as a scout.. as some of you might know..

Poland didn't really gain true independence till just over a decade ago.

And KKD, Canada volunteered to help because the people over in Europe really needed the help. Few Canadian soldiers that died in Normandy? FEW? Wow, what ignorance...its sad to have you living in Canada...if most people in Quebec are like that, then you guys really shouldn't be a part of this country No, I don't think Canadians saved the world, I don't think any Canadian does...but they made a significant contribution to it.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Poland didn't really gain true independence till just over a decade ago.

true.. but i'm talking about the one where pusuczki got part of the land back..

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That being said, I don't want to enter a flame war against people who think Canadians saved the world, hence I run away and hide far far far from this thread

for every Canadian soldier that died in that war .. an American, British, Australian, Chinese, French, Indian, Polish, etc. soldier didn't have to. i don't think anyone volunteers to die unless they feel the cause is worth it ..

i'm not trying to enter a flame war with you .. no one is saying that Canadians saved the world, people here are just trying to show some respect.

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Originally posted by Julie_Spyder true.. but i'm talking about the one where pusuczki got part of the land back..

Ya, they got it "back", lol...for about 5 minutes till it became known as Russia again, heheheheheheh

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Few Canadian soldiers that died in Normandy? FEW? Wow, what ignorance..

How about you kindly learn to READ before treating someone ignorant, Infinity High? I mean, geez, are you trigger-happy to jump on that reply button? Thus, I invite you to re-read my quote, and learn your lesson:

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most of the few canadian soldiers sent to Normand shore died

Oh, right...so you're saying that Canada sent a few soldiers over to Normandy? whats "few"? 10? 20?

Wow.. Instead of excusing yourself, you try to be a smart ass.. Way to blow, hope you are proud.

For your information (unless I'm wrong, which MAY happend), Canadians supplied around 10000 soldiers on d-day, out of about 160000 marines sent by western allied forces. Now, any way you look, 10k is really not a lot compared to the total number of victims/participants of the war, and that it's only about 7% of total forces that invaded french soil.. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong... :P

ok, 10,000...that isn't really "a few" that they sent, even if you compare it to the total amount. And that 10,000 did manage to accomplish something. And didnt that 160,000 get mowed down on the very first attempt? So whatever Britian, America, France and any other country contributed, that got killed. Many before they even stepped off the boats.

And I *was* thinking of apologizing, but then I re-read your post,

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How about you kindly learn to READ before treating someone ignorant, Infinity High? I mean, geez, are you trigger-happy to jump on that reply button? Thus, I invite you to re-read my quote, and learn your lesson

Thanks for the lesson

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Originally posted by k.k.d. Well.. Let's see.. In theory, you should respect the people that fought for your freedom and liberty, sacrificing their lives, etc etc.. If you can't find a place in your heart for such respect, that is trully sad, considering the few remaining people of that era will be no more soon... On another hand (see my previous post)< Canada not being touched even remotelly by WW2 (in fact, it was a period of great economic growth for Canada), I can UNDERSTAND why such values as veneration of war veterans is lost to you: you simply have nothing much to value.. I mean, yes, most of the few canadian soldiers sent to Normand shore died, but it's not like there were defending Canada or anything (if not interests).. They were simply the serving corps of the (mostly) volunteer army, and were to fight according to allie's requests... So yeah..,. Here's my explanation to your apathy towards rememberance day

I really hate to say this but, FUCK YOU.
You seriously need to read up on your history kid.
In THEORY??? A FEW???? Who the hell are you???
The Canadians lost a LOT of lives (as well as the rest of the Allies).
I can understand after a number of years how the significance can be lost on our generation, but that's absolutely NO EXCUSE to forget it.
People sarificed their lives so you can wake up and enjoy you free life without having to goosestep to school/work.

You want perspective???? Go ask a veteran and explain to HIM how apatheic you feel about the whole thing.
I hope he smacks you in the head...

Here's some reading for you...
From Veteran Affairs Canada...

Canada and the Second World War 1939-1945
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/general/su...anada2/epilogue

je me souviens

I live next to the museum of the regiments in calgary. Today is their day.

In hindsight I just want to appologize for my language.
I'm not specifically mad at you k.k.d. but it's that type of apathy that really gets my goat.
To me, apathy usually stems from either ignorance or being niave (maybe both) and a little digging and understanding will normally clear that up.

If you've never seen 'Saving Private Ryan' I suggest you do.
I was in total AWE when I saw what those men had to endure; it put things into such an incredible perspective (for me at least) and I now have that much more respect for those that actually survived.

Yes, I can understand when you look around, you may not see others that care either.
But why be like them?
A thousand wrong people still makes them wrong.

And an appology to Julie too...sorry to shit in your thread

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I really hate to say this but, FUCK YOU. You seriously need to read up on your history kid. In THEORY??? A FEW???? Who the hell are you???

Firestarter.. Not to sound repetitive, but you too need to read theads before jumping on reply button.. I mean, today something was confirmed of what I though the other day: people here don't read the whole threads: they jump on the reply button, and start unconstructive flame which they think looks like critic.

Since I already justified the "few" (and don't argue that "few" as in 10000 is something compaired to 30 million + victims of the war), I'll just justify the word "theory": you'll notice that I am answering there dmatrox's question, on "why those values are lost".. Hence, I reply that "in theory, you should respect, whereas in practive, your respect might be lost due to aforemention circumstances"...

That being said, it's excellent being proud on their own country. Patriotism is a noble feeling, and I respect that. However, although all sacrifices and acts of bravory are relativelly important, there is a scale to that importance. Although I appreciate the effort of Canadians (and Americans), they didn't change much to the course of war by opening hte second front so late... If you disagree, I might refer you to history books as well...

Now if you excuse me, I have to run to university, see ya after thet

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Originally posted by k.k.d. ...30 million + victims of the war...

Russia alone lost 50 mil, or am I on crack?

I did read the thread. All I see now is a bunch of backtracking...

I don't see where you get off making comparisons?
Of course the Canadians didn't contribute that much in the way of manpower.

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In theory, you should respect the people that fought for your freedom and liberty, sacrificing their lives...

What do you mean 'theory'? I can't believe anyone would call this a theory...

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For your information (unless I'm wrong, which MAY happend), Canadians supplied around 10000 soldiers on d-day, out of about 160000 marines sent by western allied forces. Now, any way you look, 10k is really not a lot compared to the total number of victims/participants of the war, and that it's only about 7% of total forces that invaded french soil.. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong... :P

That would be 10,000 out of the 1 Million that actually served for Canada during WWII.
As a percentage of population, Canada was among the highest of all countries.

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although all sacrifices and acts of bravory are relativelly important, there is a scale to that importance

What kind of hogwash statement is that?
The very fact that any men were send from any country to fight a World War is bad enough, therefore this 'scaling of importance' does not exist.
It was equally horrific to every country and no country's contribution should be downplayed because of statistical alienation.
Statistics can say anything you want them to say.
One life lost is too many.
They gave their lives and their future so that we may live in peace.

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Canada not being touched even remotelly by WW2 (in fact, it was a period of great economic growth for Canada...

Well yea...before the war was the Great Depression...
And Canada was subjected to U-Boat attacks within territorial waters.
Because of the German U-Boats, and lack of American or Britsh naval strength, Canada quickly became a naval power in the North Atlantic region providing almost 1/2 of all escorts for shipping.
See: The German Submarine Offensive Makes Canada a Major Maritime Power, 1939-1945

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they didn't change much to the course of war

You know, I'm not even going to go there with you...

Proud?
Sure I am.
Patriotic?
Definately. And why not?
Everybody should be proud of the country they live in.
I think the problem isn't a lack of historical knowledge, but of perspective.
The numbers may appear small but they are also relative.
I have no doubts that you may know a little history; and that's good (that's more than some), but lets not use numbers to personally justify ignorance? The arguements are quite transparent.
If this is just a case of misunderstanding, then maybe some better explaination?

For the Canadians out there, we were told and taught that Canada played a large role on D-Day and some other place, but can you all personally tell me that your friends, father or grandfather died in the war? The soldiers went off to fight in a cause not related to Canada where problems did not even involve our country. Although i think many of you say you feel deep sympathy for the lives of our people lost, do you really feel that? or have you been taught that?

think hard. There are a few muesems around and the rememberence day comes once a year.


probably two or three decades (10 years) from now, september 11 will be a faded memory in peoples minds.

just my thoughts

I think it is quite sad to see ppl have a little contest on the proudness of how many of their countrymen died in the war. The whole point of this day is to remember those who died. R.I.P especially to my great grandad who died in World War 1..oh rite but he's scottish and scotland didnt contribute much to world war one, so he doesn't count rite?
If you read a novel like Bird Song, or watch, as someone mentioned, Saving Private Ryan, or Band of Brothers then you will realise that no matter what nation you belong to, just remember those who died to give us the freedom that we have today, otherwise we'd all be German and under a fascist rule (or something else) so pay your respects.


p.s.. canada did do allot in ww2, on D-Day they took on one beach as did the americans british etc...

R.I.P veterans

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