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Posted by hill_matthew on Nov-11-2002 19:40:

What's gone wrong with trance?

I don't mean to be another one bleeting on about '99 being the best year for trance (because I actually think 00/01 were ace), but it really seems the times are running dry at the moment. The number of really good hands-in-the-air energetic uplifting pieces of music is just dying, what's going on?

With MOS & Cream putting out desperatly commercial cheese on their latest albums, I feel furious that people like Flip & Fill, Scooter and to an extent Ian van Dahl have turned naff cheese into the public and label's perception of trance. I KNOW people have to make some money, but didn't they do just fine before they were cashing in on the naff drivel?

I was speaking to Tim Stark @ ATCR last week and he said "...you've still got some time to make a name in it, but with the state trance is going right now, hurry up...". I thought if he's thinking that, what hope do we have?

Why is there so little being made? Above & Beyond and Corsten seem to be the only ones regularily putting stuff out. I am sure it's still being MADE, but why don't we get any of it?

Posted by Matt on Nov-11-2002 20:06:

well, looking back on the year, there has been all kinds of mint stuff come out. You just need to look harder because of all the cheese in the foreground.

I'm at work right now, so I don't have time to compile a list of the year's top tunes.

but, as of RIGHT NOW, little is being released because its the fall. There aren't as many parties happening now, and producers are settling in and just starting the real production season.

Early 2003 should be exciting, with Chicane back, and Rank 1 punching out singles off Symsonic.

Posted by chris_norris on Nov-11-2002 20:07:

He He the tracklist for Cream Trance Anthems 2003 pissed you off as much as me did it? I know that a lot of stuff is heading commercial these days, and it's because people have spotted a trend, but instead of trance shifting it's style within the genre it's more like a new genre, cheesyeuroshite has been created (or just borrowed from countries that it is alreasy established in).

It's just businesmen (not musicians) spotting an easily exploitable trend. I mean, if you look at the year for uplifting productions I think there have been some quality top notch ones, (Solarcoaster, I'm Alone, If You Want Me just off the top of my head) and It'l continue till the end of the year. I reckon you just gotta look for it.

Not to mention the development of other styles even further (Prog and Hard Trance to name the two that have grown the most for me).

On another note though, when a genre is relatively new all of the sounds are new and everything your listening to is a new experience. But after we've been listening for a few years now, just banging an uplifting synth over the same old same old chord progression is just gonaa piss people off. If you think we're not hearing enough hands in the air quality shit, it maybe because people simply aren't making anything refreshing enough...

Posted by Djeebie on Nov-11-2002 20:12:

No worries mate Now is the time you should bite through. If you look hard enough you'll still find some quality trance. When trance arrives at its peak it'll collapse and only the true producers will keep on producing (same thing happened to hardcore).

Right now you see that trance is dividing into 2 trends: commercial and quality (nothing new there). The commercial trance is only easier to find and is getting released by the dozens.

I also think trance will get a 'newer' and different sound then we were used to ('99 trance). In two or three years time trance will probably be underground again and the trance that'll be produced by then won't sound anything like e.g. System F - Out Of The Blue or Rank 1 - Airwave.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a soothsayer or something I just think this will happen (it also happened to hardcore). Trance will not die nor will it loose its quality.

Posted by DJ_Lord on Nov-11-2002 20:20:

this is a vicious circle, its goes round and round..

Posted by Az on Nov-11-2002 20:53:

plenty of decent tunes at the moment
flutlicht are banging them out at the moment, new SHOKK tunes on the way
Ferry's doing some major work on his album
Armins new album coming out
this fast and furious style stuff is coming out (BK, Prime Mover etc...)
it's a pretty exciting time IMO

Posted by DJ-Ande on Nov-11-2002 21:21:

2002 has been a good year for trance, but prog is growing 2 much 4 my liking.......same with prog house

(imo)

but i think probs gona take over

hope not!!!

Posted by hill_matthew on Nov-11-2002 21:53:

Yeh it was the Cream one that did it to me Yeah I guess it's kinda the time of year. Just hadn't seen much recommended in this forum that really took me. God forbid I'm tiring of, I'm sure its not that!

Posted by tranceaholic on Nov-11-2002 21:58:

u should try the new gatecrasher compilation...its pretty good and not cheesy

Posted by Yella Fella on Nov-11-2002 22:37:

I agree with the new GC pink 3 pack, its quite good, esp 2nd and 3rd cd.

But have you seen Ministry of Sounds Annual 2003? Its fooking cheddar!! My god... its so bad!!

Trance is what got me into DJing back in 99, but what has it done...? I agree the commercial stuff is taking the piss out of the genre but producers want to make money, and the only way to combat westlife and gang is to lay cheesy vocals onto what they call a dance track. Only way to get ppl to buy the damn stuff, kids anyway.

Posted by SugarShack on Nov-11-2002 23:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Az
plenty of decent tunes at the moment
flutlicht are banging them out at the moment, new SHOKK tunes on the way
Ferry's doing some major work on his album
Armins new album coming out
this fast and furious style stuff is coming out (BK, Prime Mover etc...)
it's a pretty exciting time IMO

your defo right there

Posted by nrjizer on Nov-11-2002 23:31:

Re: What's gone wrong with trance?

quote:
Originally posted by hill_matthew
The number of really good hands-in-the-air energetic uplifting pieces of music is just dying, what's going on?

Because that music has been so popular for 3-4 years now. Its getting stale. The producers and DJ's dont have anything new except most of the same recycled sounds and construction. Not that I dont enjoy listening to it, and not that I want to bash producers and dj's for making/playing what they love, I just dont enjoy it as much as I used to. I just havent seen much of anything new and creative done with trance in the past 3 years, so Im starting to broaden my interests and find new things to listen to. Spare me the "trance will never die" routine, please.

Really the only "trance" (I dont like genre labeling anyways) producer/dj who has kept my interest consistantly for the past few years is PvD. His productions and sets always sound fresh and interesting to me (for the most part).

Posted by EnriqueHavoc on Nov-12-2002 01:01:

too much focus on melody, not enough on driving beats.

trance used to actually put you in a trance, nowadays it just makes etards want to jerk themselves off while frolicking in a field of flowers

of course theres still good underground trance out there.. just harder to find the good stuff sorting through the crap..

Posted by victor on Nov-12-2002 01:08:

i kinda agree with matthew here...

i don't think he's saying that there ain't no mo quality tunes .. only thing is that there ain't as many quality tunes like as in 99...

cheers!!!

Posted by escee on Nov-12-2002 03:34:

Cream and Mos cds always will be cheese. If you look at their tracklist and think whats wrong with trance, then whats wrong with you? This year has been a good year for tracks, I dont think trance is dieing. Now that the european summer is over i think we will start to see a lot of good tracks come out in a few months.

I also think comparing now to 1999 isnt fair. Trance was new then, of course everyone was going OMFG I DIE, I CRY since it was the new sound. Now that everyone is a little jaded after listening for 3-4 years people always want new tracks that make them feel the way their first trance track did. Unfortunatly its not going to happen.

I dont think progressive will take over, but if it did i wouldnt be bothered, most of it is good stuff. I like both trance and progressive. As well as some house, and some techno. Everyone puts too much focus on the genre, narrowing it down too much "I like hard acid uk tech-trance".

I like good music.

Posted by Simon00 on Nov-12-2002 04:28:

I actually disagree, i think it's been a good year for trance, you just have to llok past the crap that seems to be in your face everywhere you go. ie mos comps etc. It only takes a look at different peoples fav's on here and there seems to be lots of good releases atm.

I suppose that depends on what you like though.

Posted by infinity HiGH on Nov-12-2002 04:53:

Re: Re: What's gone wrong with trance?

quote:
Originally posted by nrjizer
Really the only "trance" (I dont like genre labeling anyways) producer/dj who has kept my interest consistantly for the past few years is PvD. His productions and sets always sound fresh and interesting to me (for the most part).

how about John 00 Flemming?

Posted by Alccode on Nov-12-2002 04:57:

Nothing is wrong.

Posted by nrjizer on Nov-12-2002 06:31:

Re: Re: Re: What's gone wrong with trance?

quote:
Originally posted by infinity HiGH
how about John 00 Flemming?

I like j00f too, but I never really got into him until his essential mix

Posted by Arbiter on Nov-12-2002 07:09:

Posted by trancedfarmer on Nov-12-2002 07:18:

BE SATISFIED!

Posted by Freefall on Nov-12-2002 08:06:

quote:
Originally posted by chris_norris
He He the tracklist for Cream Trance Anthems 2003 pissed you off as much as me did it? I know that a lot of stuff is heading commercial these days, and it's because people have spotted a trend, but instead of trance shifting it's style within the genre it's more like a new genre, cheesyeuroshite has been created (or just borrowed from countries that it is alreasy established in).

It's just businesmen (not musicians) spotting an easily exploitable trend. I mean, if you look at the year for uplifting productions I think there have been some quality top notch ones, (Solarcoaster, I'm Alone, If You Want Me just off the top of my head) and It'l continue till the end of the year. I reckon you just gotta look for it.

Not to mention the development of other styles even further (Prog and Hard Trance to name the two that have grown the most for me).

On another note though, when a genre is relatively new all of the sounds are new and everything your listening to is a new experience. But after we've been listening for a few years now, just banging an uplifting synth over the same old same old chord progression is just gonaa piss people off. If you think we're not hearing enough hands in the air quality shit, it maybe because people simply aren't making anything refreshing enough...

you've hit the nail on the head there. I got sick of the general commercialisation of trance about a year ago, hence set up my own site and will start club night next year.

Like you say it's just a case of searching harder and not purchasing the obvious hands in the air type cheese. E.g. If you bought any Jurgen Vries then your taste in trance is quite raw and under-developed.

Another thing is that few people realise if you're going to market trance and want to appeal to the general public, you cannot ever ever ever call it trance.

Posted by Az on Nov-12-2002 10:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Well, actually, I probably could have, but there's no need to be redundant. I agree totally with you man.

fair enuff

Posted by Luke Terry on Nov-12-2002 10:39:

we get the same bloody winge again and again. trance music is better, not worse. classic 99 and 00 stuff was amateur and sounds far inferior to todays trance, a perfect example being the 2002 remix of out of the blue. there are quiet periods of trance all the time and releases held back, etc. so shat ya wingin and prepare for some quality christmas trance

Posted by kr00t0n on Nov-12-2002 12:21:

Maybe some fo the old stuff sounds kinda amatuerish now, only because technology has advanced, but listen to a few oldies.

Lost Tribe - Gamemaster sounds pretty darn professional and up to date if you ask me, better than alot of the decent productions out recently (I say decent, not the good/great ones)

Its just a wonder where its all gonna go from here, what new sounds can be created, how much more can the samples evolve before we hit a brick wall and why I have to work morning shifts for this WHOLE week.

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