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Posted by stipsy on Mar-14-2003 11:26:

urgent ...regarding l-vee (airwave)

Reading Stipsy's earlier post. Yes it is true that my friend Laurent (Airwave/ L-vee + many other guises) is thinking about chucking it all in. He's fed up with the current climate of the dance music world. Downloading music is not only crippling underground dance labels but now it's starting to affect the producers. It's heartbreaking to see your hard work and toil be given away for free on the internet. His last album was available for download weeks before it was for sale in the shops??? Like us, he has to make a living, pay bills etc. It also costs a lot of money to keep the studio up to date as technology moves on. How can you do this with your income crippled by free files sharing???
I believe that there will be an answer to this problem as I am always forward thinking. I'm trying to make Laurent see this. He is one of the most influential Trance producers currently around. He is a true genius. We would be lost with out him.

Please sign this petition below to show what support he has from his loyal fans. This will make him realise that he has many friends and fans that will support him. This maybe be the support that he needs for him to see the light. (www.john00fleming.com message board)

(Cut and paste this and post it on as many message boards as you can and get people to visit this website sign this petition.)

this is from john 00

Posted by dj_helen_k on Mar-14-2003 11:31:

Re: urgent ...regarding l-vee (airwave)

quote:
Originally posted by stipsy
Reading Stipsy's earlier post. Yes it is true that my friend Laurent (Airwave/ L-vee + many other guises) is thinking about chucking it all in. He's fed up with the current climate of the dance music world. Downloading music is not only crippling underground dance labels but now it's starting to affect the producers. It's heartbreaking to see your hard work and toil be given away for free on the internet. His last album was available for download weeks before it was for sale in the shops??? Like us, he has to make a living, pay bills etc. It also costs a lot of money to keep the studio up to date as technology moves on. How can you do this with your income crippled by free files sharing???
I believe that there will be an answer to this problem as I am always forward thinking. I'm trying to make Laurent see this. He is one of the most influential Trance producers currently around. He is a true genius. We would be lost with out him.

Please sign this petition below to show what support he has from his loyal fans. This will make him realise that he has many friends and fans that will support him. This maybe be the support that he needs for him to see the light. (www.john00fleming.com message board)

(Cut and paste this and post it on as many message boards as you can and get people to visit this website sign this petition.)

this is from john 00

Posted by webmeister on Mar-14-2003 11:35:

dude - sux0r

Posted by Psygnosis on Mar-14-2003 11:39:

AIRWAVE QUITTING!!!!, NO WAYYYYY.

I hope he doesn't, most quality trance tunes are from him...

*listens to Cape Town - Cinema..UHHHHHHH NICE!

Posted by Slade on Mar-14-2003 11:52:

blaming mp3 is bullshit

how else was he expecting his music to be heard

Posted by Chuck Norris on Mar-14-2003 12:17:

Video Hits?

Posted by stamper on Mar-14-2003 13:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Teknoscaper.
blaming mp3 is bullshit

how else was he expecting his music to be heard

For the first time ever i agree with Teknoscaper!

I think it's BS producers blaming mp3's, it promotes their music rather than crippling it!

Ok, lets take for example L-Vee:
MP3's don't exist:
I buy an Airwave record off the net even tho i have never heard it. It's not to my liking so i don't ever buy a Airwave / L-vee record again because why would i spend my $20 on something i think is going to be crap.

MP3's do exist:
I download every one of L-vee productions (i actually have about 70 of them). I take a liking to a few of them and have now bought "Fire & Ice - Heart & Mind E.P" and "Airwave vs Rising Star - Sunspot". Now anything that is released by L-vee i watch keenly and i have the utmost respect for the man.

There ya go, i rest my case.

Posted by escee on Mar-14-2003 14:05:

quote:
Originally posted by mr_stamper
MP3's do exist:
I download every one of L-vee productions (i actually have about 70 of them). I take a liking to a few of them and have now bought "Fire & Ice - Heart & Mind E.P" and "Airwave vs Rising Star - Sunspot". Now anything that is released by L-vee i watch keenly and i have the utmost respect for the man.

There ya go, i rest my case.

That would be ok if you bought every one of the productions you listened to. Your still getting something for nothing and depriving L Vee of income by listening to his work for free. Then you would say no im not because i wouldnt have bought them in the first place. Sure you might not have, but what about a person who gets them off you? or someone else?

The 'its not mp3' arguement is just as bullshit as the 'it is mp3 arguement'. Piracy is Piracy is Piracy. Mp3s have their place for sure, but dont fool your selves by saying mp3s are great and i would never listen to anything if i didnt download the mp3.

Posted by sifntj0r on Mar-15-2003 02:07:

this petition seems like an elaborate dick sucking exercise to me

maybe l-vee isnt getting enough love at home.

Posted by JayKuE on Mar-15-2003 06:17:

airwave quitting is pretty disheartening
but i'm curious, how do producers/djs receive the majority of their income? through record sales? cd/album sales? or dj gigs?

Posted by AussieTrance on Mar-15-2003 06:30:

So was his album ever released in Australia, or do we have to import for 50 - $60 like most quality trance?

Seriously, start releasing your stuff down here and we wont have to download it.

mind you, most of the cd's I buy are around that mark anyway

Posted by Philby on Mar-15-2003 11:26:

Posted by Serp on Mar-15-2003 13:13:

Philby, if he hadn't have downloaded those mp3s, do you think he would have bought those vinyls?

Posted by gumble on Mar-15-2003 13:22:

If mp3s didnt exist, I would never have got into trance, I would never have started djing and i would never have bought any records, in which the producers get thier money

The same goes for buying cds.

Just wich there was a win / win situation for bothe consumers and the producers :/

Posted by Simon00 on Mar-15-2003 22:41:

quote:
Originally posted by AussieTrance
So was his album ever released in Australia, or do we have to import for 50 - $60 like most quality trance?

Seriously, start releasing your stuff down here and we wont have to download it.

mind you, most of the cd's I buy are around that mark anyway

I found it a record shop in canberra for $35.

Posted by escee on Mar-16-2003 02:41:

quote:
Originally posted by dj dave b
Philby, if he hadn't have downloaded those mp3s, do you think he would have bought those vinyls?

you cant justify the excess downloading of mp3s like that. He is still getting something for nothing. Its not as bad stealing physical things like cars where the owners actually miss it. But its still depriving the artist of income.

Do i do it too? yes.
Do i try and justify it? no.
Do i know that its ultimatly wrong? yes.

Posted by Jah on Mar-16-2003 03:48:

at the end of the day its a double edges sword... i think mp3s have helped and promoted artists as much as they have hurt them financially... its technology, you cant control it. give the current prices of vinyl i for one, do feel for the artist but what about us the consumer. we cant afford to spend 20 dollars on every fucking tune just to hear it, granted there are listening booths in record stores but without the mp3, there wouldnt be hype around tracks certain tracks wouldnt be saught after and the community in general would be less clued in. which i think would reflect on the enthusiasm of events etc. how many of you that goto the gigs can say every track you trainspotted you had heard through a 'legal' avenue. fuck off. MP3s have advantages and disadvantages, they treat the entire consumer markets as greedy drones who just want to download as much as possible and thats a insult to all the people out there spending there hard earned dosh on the vinyls, cds or whatever they first hear on mp3
i find it hard to believe airwave cant pay his bills because of the mp3 format, that is the biggest load of bullshit i have ever heard, the amount of income he must have generated just from users on this message board would be enough to have someone clean his balls everyday

Posted by Philby on Mar-16-2003 03:55:

quote:
Originally posted by dj dave b
Philby, if he hadn't have downloaded those mp3s, do you think he would have bought those vinyls?

hey i have no problem with downloading an mp3 then saying "hey thats mad i'll go buy it". however, telling everyone that you have downloaded 70 productions from just one artist and then justifying it by saying "hey its all good, i bought two of them" is just stupid. blaming everything on mp3 is also stupid though. 100% agree with escee and jah.

Posted by stamper on Mar-16-2003 04:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Jah
at the end of the day its a double edges sword... i think mp3s have helped and promoted artists as much as they have hurt them financially... its technology, you cant control it. give the current prices of vinyl i for one, do feel for the artist but what about us the consumer. we cant afford to spend 20 dollars on every fucking tune just to hear it, granted there are listening booths in record stores but without the mp3, there wouldnt be hype around tracks certain tracks wouldnt be saught after and the community in general would be less clued in. which i think would reflect on the enthusiasm of events etc. how many of you that goto the gigs can say every track you trainspotted you had heard through a 'legal' avenue. fuck off. MP3s have advantages and disadvantages, they treat the entire consumer markets as greedy drones who just want to download as much as possible and thats a insult to all the people out there spending there hard earned dosh on the vinyls, cds or whatever they first hear on mp3
i find it hard to believe airwave cant pay his bills because of the mp3 format, that is the biggest load of bullshit i have ever heard, the amount of income he must have generated just from users on this message board would be enough to have someone clean his balls everyday

Agreed, there are advantages and disadvantages.

Philby, i can say quite honestly that if it weren't for mp3 i wouldn't have bought one single vinyl of L-vee's or anyone else for that matter. I probably wouldn't even know what trance is.

What i don't get is what is this petition going to do?? Stop programs such as Direct Connect??

Posted by stamper on Mar-16-2003 04:03:

quote:
Originally posted by escee
you cant justify the excess downloading of mp3s like that. He is still getting something for nothing. Its not as bad stealing physical things like cars where the owners actually miss it. But its still depriving the artist of income.

Do i do it too? yes.
Do i try and justify it? no.
Do i know that its ultimatly wrong? yes.

Yeah i know its not right to do it but my comment before (on the first page) was looking at my situation realisticly. It may be different for other people.

Posted by escee on Mar-16-2003 04:47:

quote:
Originally posted by mr_stamper
Yeah i know its not right to do it but my comment before (on the first page) was looking at my situation realisticly. It may be different for other people.

Same situation as me. I wouldnt have started listening to trance if it werent for mp3. Yesterday i bought 2 lvee records (Capetown and Fire and Ice EP) Had it not been for mp3 i might have skipped over them.

I just think trying justifying dowloading a tonne of shit is wrong.

Posted by Philby on Mar-16-2003 08:28:

quote:
Originally posted by mr_stamper
Agreed, there are advantages and disadvantages.

Philby, i can say quite honestly that if it weren't for mp3 i wouldn't have bought one single vinyl of L-vee's or anyone else for that matter. I probably wouldn't even know what trance is.

What i don't get is what is this petition going to do?? Stop programs such as Direct Connect??

yeah i know dude but im saying your example is shit
i think the petition is just to show our support and convince him to keep going.

Posted by Pointy on Mar-16-2003 09:24:

I think Airwave's a bit money hungry....so much for being in it for the music. Fair enough that he wants to make money - dont we all. But to actually consider quitting it all together because of mp3s is just arselike. "I can't afford the latest equipment" blah...sell some of the old stuff, plus the equipment can be stretched to extroadinary lengths.

I download a fuckload of music, i get about 100meg a day and dont delete it after 24 hours. Im a ****, i download all this shit and say i'm an artists biggest fan. Reason is, is because i'm not a DJ yet, so i aint buying CD singles or vinyls. Show me a place to buy livesets!! I still buy a lot of CDs. I'm up to about 50 albums now, and ever rising. I'm gonna go buy the new GU next Monday, hurrah. I'm also gonna ask about Dajae and Full Intention and whether or not they've released an album or compilation or ANYTHING! Jah sent me Dajae and Full Intention - What do you Want (dub) earlier. This is one phat ass tune. Mp3's have their pros and cons for sure, and honestly...i dont consider it stealing as long as the music stays on the hard-drive. As soon as you burn the album to CD, your a uber-****. I've done this a few times myself, only because i needed to hear the album on my stereo, I'm gonna go buy the albums some day soon - most likely when i see em in the store.

I read in an interview with a high profile producer (sorry, forgot which one) and he talked about how labels are very cautious over what to release nowadays. You know what, GOOD!!! We the consumer deserve quality music, especially if we're paying $30 for a CD - sometimes as high as $55 for imported shit. Another thing, L-Vee, I'll buy your music if you stopped making tracks the same as every other one of ur tunes!! Rest assured, he's made some sweet tracks over the years, but they're all the same! 'Go King Kickdrum, Keep on Kickin!'

Posted by Itchy on Mar-16-2003 10:55:

quote:
Originally posted by PointyDC
I think Airwave's a bit money hungry....so much for being in it for the music. Fair enough that he wants to make money - dont we all. But to actually consider quitting it all together because of mp3s is just arselike. "I can't afford the latest equipment" blah...sell some of the old stuff, plus the equipment can be stretched to extroadinary lengths.

I download a fuckload of music, i get about 100meg a day and dont delete it after 24 hours. Im a ****, i download all this shit and say i'm an artists biggest fan. Reason is, is because i'm not a DJ yet, so i aint buying CD singles or vinyls. Show me a place to buy livesets!! I still buy a lot of CDs. I'm up to about 50 albums now, and ever rising. I'm gonna go buy the new GU next Monday, hurrah. I'm also gonna ask about Dajae and Full Intention and whether or not they've released an album or compilation or ANYTHING! Jah sent me Dajae and Full Intention - What do you Want (dub) earlier. This is one phat ass tune. Mp3's have their pros and cons for sure, and honestly...i dont consider it stealing as long as the music stays on the hard-drive. As soon as you burn the album to CD, your a uber-****. I've done this a few times myself, only because i needed to hear the album on my stereo, I'm gonna go buy the albums some day soon - most likely when i see em in the store.

I read in an interview with a high profile producer (sorry, forgot which one) and he talked about how labels are very cautious over what to release nowadays. You know what, GOOD!!! We the consumer deserve quality music, especially if we're paying $30 for a CD - sometimes as high as $55 for imported shit. Another thing, L-Vee, I'll buy your music if you stopped making tracks the same as every other one of ur tunes!! Rest assured, he's made some sweet tracks over the years, but they're all the same! 'Go King Kickdrum, Keep on Kickin!'

werd to yer mutha pointy.....

Posted by matt_a on Mar-16-2003 11:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Itchy
werd to yer mutha pointy.....

What he said

L-Vee have a whinge, I will probably make a point of downloading all your tracks and not buying a single one now. I'll just play them on CD-R.

The only reason I buy vinyls is cause I have d/l the track and I like it so I buy it, cause i do most of my 12" shopping online as stores are shit for prog and trance these days (cheese cheese cheese). And if it wants for mp3s i wouldnt know about most of the artists i have bought vinyls and cds from. Right now im searching for Sander's 4 Seasons EP 1,2 and waiting for 3! And I'm dying for Nick's new GU ( I hope i can get it in Sydney on Sunday as I got Lavelles a few days early there) and I only know about them cause of mp3s.

L-Vee, get a job!

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