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hey thanks so much for the input!!! Will get them checked out now!

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Originally posted by TiksA Also does anyone know if there is a free database on the net? I think TA should make its own database thread...

I agree. It'd be a very useful resource. I'd certainly be happy to add my catalogue to it - I've keyed pretty much my entire collection and would be willing to share this with people.

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Originally posted by FirstBorn I agree. It'd be a very useful resource. I'd certainly be happy to add my catalogue to it - I've keyed pretty much my entire collection and would be willing to share this with people.

http://harmonics.defined.org/

Taken from mixshare.com

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now, the goal is to find the best sounding chord such that it's subdominant and dominant chords also sound in key. one thing you can also do is sequentially play each chord while listening to the music to to determine which ones sound best, and use that as a starting point. if doing this, don't worry about distinguish between major and minor keys, just stick to one or the other.

Guys, why is it that it is necessary to find a subdominant and a dominant key? Isnt it enough to just find if the track belong to a major or a minor chord?

Root note + 3rd key + 7th key ( to form a minor chord)
Root note + 4th key + 7th key ( to form a major chord)


elliot

ok i have a few questions.

1) is this the only way finding the keys? having a keyboard or something and aving some musical theory in your head?

2) do you start with a key and finish with it? if so, then you lose in track selection.

3) do you change your key as the set flows to play different tracks, or something?

4) anyways how can i start doing it my self?

thanx for helping!
btw, can anyone post a harmonic mixing, and the worst (in terms of key) mixing? i mean just samples of transitions, this could help

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younathan wrote on Yesterday 23:54: hey sebjr, i am just starting out with this harmonic mixing stuff...and i came across your post and you say you play a lot of prog house...which is exactly like me...so, i was wondering if there are any source that have a database or such of keyed records. also, how many have you keyed already? is it easy/hard? Thanks in advanced, beny

hey dude

yeah i have a few tips that will be useful for ya

1) prog is less melodic then trance so its slightly harder to key, you really have to listen for the bassline and key by that

2) you need a keyboard...those software keyboards are crap...honestly you need to be able to fiddle around, and those software ones are really frustrating, more trouble then its worth. get a cheap 49 key midi keyboard

3) get mixmeister 6....it keys all your mp3s for you, which you can then double check using the keyboard if you want to use it to key your vinyl just record a 2 min sample of your vinyl and then get mixmeister to key that. it is VERY accurate. i am going through and double checking my cds now, and it is 95% accurate. i find it helpful to go through and double check, because it helps improve your 'natural key detection'

4) learn everything on this page [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
it is very helpful, keep it in the background for reference while keying

it is good to work backwards from mixmeister....find out what key it has auto detected, and then test it out using keyboard...this way you can see how mixmeister is getting the key.

after a while im going through them quite quickly and i *know* they are in key because i have done a few mixes and they are very seamless you'll also notice that you have probably grouped alot of your records by key anyway....this is your natural key selection working...although it might not be 100% its great that this takes the guess work out....

hope this helps

cheers

seb

well... its funny....

mixmeister is known to be not that accurate. version 5 had that problem.

i just downloaded and installed version 6... and it still seems to be inaccurate

Motocycle as the rush comes G&D mix seem to be detected as a G#m ... but according to harmonics.defined.org ... it shows as Bm


comments anyone?

Hmm I don't have that prob...its very accurate for me. Dont have that tune though....test it with a keyboard?

hi.

so how do you use that feature? ... i just let it play for a couple of seconds in mix meister....then it shows the key in the top left corner.


what track did you find it to be accurate? ... perhaps i shall try that same track and see it for myself

This is the best thread ever! As a DJ I felt I needed to improve my programming and mixing. After skimming through this thread and finding the key's in which some of my tracks are produced in, I can definetly notice a different when my mixes are harmonic. They sound so much more smoother and cleaner. Also, I'm mixing tracks together that I would never think of, for example Re:Locate - Typhoon (C Minor) into P.O.S. Remember (G Minor).

However, i'm still lost when it comes to what element of the track the key is. Is it the melody, percussion etc? Hopefully you understand what I meant by that

Thanks to everyone who has posted anything educational in this thread :d

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Hey Raveandindie,
I've never used this mixmeister, but I can assure you 100% that Motorcycle is not G#m! It IS Bm!
I saw your bit about finding chords, you have 1st, 4th and 7th down for a major and 1, 3 and 4 for a minor??? Don't know where you got this from? It is always 1st, 3rd and 5th for any normal minor or major chord, i.e. A minor uses A, C and E, which are the 1st, 3rd and 5th notes in the scale. A major uses A, C# and E, similarly the 1st, 3rd and 5th notes in the scale.
Keep it simple lads!

p.s. I saw someone said prog is hard to key? It is easy! All you get is one bass note going on which 99 times out of 100 is the key!What could be simpler?

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Originally posted by raveanddie hi. so how do you use that feature? ... i just let it play for a couple of seconds in mix meister....then it shows the key in the top left corner. what track did you find it to be accurate? ... perhaps i shall try that same track and see it for myself

Heheh...sure thing. Don't have much trance unfortunately. Do you have Vision of you - Cabala?

"p.s. I saw someone said prog is hard to key? It is easy! All you get is one bass note going on which 99 times out of 100 is the key!What could be simpler?"
Raveboy I personally find it easeir to key trance because it has a lot of melodic highs, which I think my ears are more tuned into to (eg I can tell an 'off key' much more easily)...I am getting better with the bass only ones though

hmmm .. .. wait a minute...

do you use the bass or the snare to key the tunes?

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Originally posted by raveanddie well... its funny.... mixmeister is known to be not that accurate. version 5 had that problem. i just downloaded and installed version 6... and it still seems to be inaccurate Motocycle as the rush comes G&D mix seem to be detected as a G#m ... but according to harmonics.defined.org ... it shows as Bm comments anyone?

The version that I play is definately a Bm. And Mixmeister as far as I know does still get it wrong too often to be considered a good tool.
The idea is great but does not some work in my opinion.

Cheers
Nem

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Lads, the only way to key something is by doing it yourself. Forget all these other ways. Get a keyboard or a guitar or something. The first bass note tends to be the key, not always, but most times. Trance is very very simple musically, in terms of chords etc., so there are only about 3 or 4 in total once the tune gets going. But as I said listen to the start and the end, and most records will have one bass note that is constant, and will vary abit once the tune gets going.

Re: key

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Originally posted by Kev Boy Lads, the only way to key something is by doing it yourself. Forget all these other ways. Get a keyboard or a guitar or something. The first bass note tends to be the key, not always, but most times. Trance is very very simple musically, in terms of chords etc., so there are only about 3 or 4 in total once the tune gets going. But as I said listen to the start and the end, and most records will have one bass note that is constant, and will vary abit once the tune gets going.

I second this advice. Learn to do it yourself and you will learn infinately more about the music than just letting a machine do it for you.

Nem

hi guys

These are my updated song key's. If they are correct - please feel free to use them in the online DB. Im not 100% sure if these are correct - as ive been using mixmeister pro version 6.0 to key them. And there has been some debate about this program!!

any corrections welcome :-)


? - Adagio For Strings G#m->G#m
Above & Beyond Feat. Zoe Johnston - No one on Earth (Gabriel & Dresden Rmx) Fm->Fm
Above & Beyond Feat. Zoe Johnston - No One On Earth (Original Mix) G#m->G#m
Above & Beyond Pres. Tranquility Base - Surrender (Filterheadz Rmx) Cm->Cm
Above & Beyond Pres. Tranquility Base - Surrender (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Active Sight - Take The Day As It Comes (Original Mix) Gm->Gm
Active Sight - The Search For Freedom (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Adam Moor and Adam White Present Whiteroom - The Whiteroom (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Agnelli & Nelson - Everday (Lange Rmx) Gm->Gm
Agnelli & Nelson - Everyday (Original Mix) Gm->Gm
Agnelli & Nelson - Holding Onto Nothing (Club Mix) Am->Am
Airscape - L'Esperanza (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Airscape - L'Esperanza (Sven Goes To The Love Parade Mix) A#m->A#m
Albert Vorne - Nuances (Astura Rmx) Dm->Dm
Alucard vs Yana Kay - Eyes of a Perfect Stranger (Original Mix) A#m->A#m
Alucard vs Yana Kay - Eyes of a Perfect Stranger (Will Holland's Blue Room Mix) A#m->A#m
Aly & Fila - Eye of Hours (Ronski Speed Rmx) F#m->F#m
Aly & Fila - Eye of Hours (Solid Globe Rmx) F#m->F#m
Angel City - Touch Me (Rank 1 Rmx) Gm->Gm
Anthony Cartier - Feels Like (G&M Project Mix) G#m->G#m
Armand Van Helden - My My My (Original Mix) D#m->D#m
"Armin - Communication (Original 12"" Mix)" Cm->Cm
Armin - Communication (Quake Rmx) Cm->Cm
Astral - Now And Forever (Kenny Hayes Rmx) C#m->C#m
Astral - Now And Forever (Original Mix) Am->Am
Astura - Cassandra (Original Mix) Am->Am
Astura - Cassiopeia (Original Mix) Fm->Fm
ATB - Don't Stop (Sequential One Rmx) Dm->Dm
ATB - Don't Stop (X-Cabs Rmx) Dm->Dm
Aurora - Ordinary Wolrd (Above & Beyond Rmx) C#m->C#m
Aurora - Ordinary World (Condor Rmx) C#m->C#m
"Aurora Feat. Naimee Coleman - Sleeping Satellite (Original 12"" Mix)" Cm->Cm
Aurora Feat. Naimee Coleman - Sleeping Satellite (Super 8 Rmx) Fm->Fm
Ayla - Ayla (DJ Tandu Rmx) Am->Am
Ayla - Ayla (Veracocha Rmx) Am->Am
Barthezz - On The Move (Original Mix) A#m->A#m
Beetseekers - Reflexion (John 00 Fleming Remix) Cm->Cm
Beetseekers - Reflexion (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Binary Finary - 1999 (Gouryella Mix) Cm->Cm
Bossanova - Stonecold (Afterburn Remix) Dm->Dm
Bossanova - Stonecold (Syndique Remix) G#m->G#m
Brian Eno - An Ending (Ascent) (Leama & Moor Rmx) D#m->D#m
Camisra - Let Me Show You (Original Mix) Am->Am
Camisra - Let Me Show You (Vocal Mix) Am->Am
Candee Jay - If I Were You (Michael Woods Rmx) A#m->A#m
Candee Jay - If I Were You (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Chicane - Offshore (Disco Citizens Rmx) Fm->Fm
Chicane - Offshore (Original Mix) Fm->Fm
Chicane - Saltwater (Original Mix) Fm->Fm
Chicane - Saltwater (Tomski VS Disco Citizens Rmx) C#m->C#m
Chicane Feat Bryan Adams - Don't Give Up (Disco Citizens vs Tomski Rmx) Cm->Cm
Chicane Feat Bryan Adams - Don't Give Up (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
CJ Stone - Don't Look Back (Extended Vocal Mix) Cm->Cm
CJ Stone - Don't Look Back (Kenny Hayes Rmx) Cm->Cm
Conjure One - Sleep (Ian Van Dahl Remix) C#m->C#m
Cooper - I Believe In Love (Club Mix) D#m->D#m
Cooper - I Believe In Love (Extended Mix) D#m->D#m
Cooper - I Believe in Love (Ultra Beat Rmx) A#m->A#m
Corderoy - Deeper (Dub Mix) Em->Em
Corderoy - Deeper (Vocal Mix) Em->Em
Cygnus X - Superstring (Rank 1 Original Mix) Dm->Dm
"Darude - Sandstorm (Original 12"" Mix)" Em->Em
David Guetta - Just A Little More Love (Wally Lopez Rmx) Am->Am
Deep Dish - Flashdance (Skylark Mix) F#m->F#m
Delerium - Heaven's Earth (Matt Darey Rmx) Gm->Gm
Deleruim - Slience (DJ Tiesto's In Search Of Sunrise Rmx) Am->Am
Divine Inspiration - The Way (Svenson & Gielen Rmx) Cm->Cm
Divine Inspiration - The Way (Voodoo & Serano Mix) Cm->Cm
Divine Inspiration - What Will Be Will Be (Vocal and Instrumental) Dm->Dm
DJ Danjo & Rob Styles - Duende (Original Mix) F#m->F#m
DJ Danjo & Rob Styles - Duende (Signum Mix) F#m->F#m
DJ Jurgen Presents Alice DJ - Better Off Alone (Vocal Club Mix) G#m->G#m
DJ Sakin & Friends - Protect Your Mind (Lange Remix) Am->Am
DJ Sammy - Boys Of Summer (Original Mix) G#m->G#m
Dreamcatcher - I Don't Wanna Lose My Way (Moguai Rmx) F#m->F#m
DT8 - The Sun Is Shining Down On Me (Darren Tate Mix) Gm->Gm
DT8 Feat. Roxanne Wilde - Destination (BK Mix) Em->Em
DT8 Feat. Roxanne Wilde - Destination (BK Vocal Mix) Em->Em
Endre - I Kill For You (Original Mix) Dm->Dm
Endre - I Kill For You (Probspot Mix) Gm->Gm
Energy 52 - Cafe Del Mar (Three 'N One 2002 Mix) Fm->Fm
Enmass - CQ (Seek You) (Original Mix) F#m->F#m
Enmass - So Please (Original Mix) G#m->G#m
Eric Prydz - Call on Me (Eric Prydz vs Retarded Funk Mix) D#m->D#m
Exertion - Partizan (Alex M.O.R.P.H Rmx) Dm->Dm
Exertion - Partizan (Original Mix) Dm->Dm
Faithless - Insomnia (Monster Mix) Gm->Gm
FatKid - Southern Sun 2004 (FatKid White Isle Rmx) Em->Em
Ferry Corsten - Sweet Sorrow (Album Version) Cm->Cm
Ferry Corsten - Sweet Sorrow (Thrillseekers Rmx) Cm->Cm
Filo & Peri - 1999 (Original Mix) Gm->Gm
Filo & Peri - Radiate (Original Mix) Am->Am
Filterheadz - Yimanya (Filterheadz Original Mix) Bm->Bm
Flower Power - Flower Power (Original Mix) Em->Em
FX Zone - Synthasia (NU NRG Rmx) Am->Am
FX Zone - Synthasia (Original Mix) Am->Am
Gate 42 - Flow (John O'Callaghan Mix) Em->Em
Gate 42 - Flow (Original Mix) Em->Em
George Hales - Autumn Falls (Original Mix) Am->Am
George Hales - Autumn Falls (St John vs Locust Rmx) Gm->Gm
"Gladiator feat Izzy - Now We Are Free (Original 12"" Mix)" F#m->F#m
Global Interference - Genesis (Original Mix) D#m->D#m
Global Interference - Orion (Original Mix) Gm->Gm
Gouryella - Gouryella (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Gouryella - Walhalla (Armin Van Buuren's Rising Star Mix) Bm->Bm
Gouryella - Walhalla (Original Mix) Bm->Bm
Hampshire & Nysee feat. Nikita - Different Way (Electraglide Mix) Am->Am
Hampshire & Nysse feat.Nikita - Eternal Voices (Airwave's Revenge Mix) Am->Am
Ian Van Dahl - I Can't Let You Go (Extended Mix) A#m->A#m
Ian Van Dahl - I Can't Let You Go (Jan Vervloet Mix) A#m->A#m
Icone - Astra (Arc In The Sky Remix) Em->Em
Icone - Astra (Original Mix) Em->Em
Jan Gustaffson - Future History (Original History) G#m->G#m
Jan Gustaffson - True Fiction (Original Mix) A#m->A#m
Jose Amnesia - The Eternal (NU-NRG Rmx) Bm->Bm
Jose Amnesia - The Eternal (Original Mix) A#m->A#m
Jose Amnesia - The Eternal (Thomas Datt Rmx) A#m->A#m
Junior Jack - Stupidisco (Original Mix) Fm->Fm
Jurgen Vries - The Opera Song (Extended Vocal & Dub) Bm->Bm
Katpeople - Freefalling (Disco Brothers Rmx) A#m->A#m
Katpeople - Freefalling (Katoi & Pesh Rmx) A#m->A#m
Kira - I'll Be Your Angel (Alphazone Mix) Am->Am
Kira - I'll Be Your Angel (Club Mix) Bm->Bm
Kontakt - Show Me A Sign (Club Mix) A#m->A#m
Kyau Vs Albert - Not With You (Ronski Speed Dub) D#m->D#m
Kyau Vs Albert - Not With You (Sonorous' Venus Transit Mix) Am->Am
Lange - Sincere For You (Original Mix) Em->Em
Lange - Sincere For You (Thrillseekers Remix) F#m->F#m
Lange feat. Leah - Dont Think It (Feel It) (Cosmicman Rmx) A#m->A#m
Lange feat. Leah - Dont Think It (Feel It) (Original Mix) A#m->A#m
Lange feat. Leah - Dont Think It (Feel It) (Scott Mac Rmx) F#m->F#m
Lange feat. Leah - Dont Think It (Feel It) (Shane 54 Remix) A#m->A#m
Lange feat. Skye - Drifing Away (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Lange feat. Skye - Drifitng Away (Lange's Sunset Dub) Bm->Bm
Lasgo - Something (Extneded Mix) Gm->Gm
Lasgo - Something (W.O.S.P Rmx) Gm->Gm
Lingen & Moore - Passion (Robert Nickson Club) Am->Am
Lingen & Moore - Passion (Robert Nickson Dub) Am->Am
Liquid Child '99 - Diving Faces (Original Club Mix) Am->Am
Lolo - Because (Original Mix) Am->Am
Lolo - Why? (Original Mix) Gm->Gm
Lost Tribe - Gamesmaster 2003 (Matt Darey 2003 Mix) Em->Em
Lost Tribe - Gamesmaster 2003 (Michael Woods Rmx) Em->Em
Lost Witness Feat Andrea Britton - Wait For You (Kevin Insrtumental Mix) C#m->C#m
Love Inc - You're A Superstar (Radio Edit) A#m->A#m
Lucy Car - This Is Goodbye (Kenny Hayes Remix) G#m->G#m
Lucy Car - This Is Goodbye (LMC Remix) G#m->G#m
Madison Factor - Lights in Motion (Filo & Peri Bangin Mix) Em->Em
Madison Factor - Lights In Motion (Filo & Peri Lighthouse Mix) Em->Em
Madoka - Afterburner (Max Graham Mix) D#m->D#m
Madoka - Afterburner (Original Mix) D#m->D#m
Markus Schulz Pres. Elevation - Largo (Mark Otten Rmx) Dm->Dm
Markus Schulz Pres. Elevation - Largo (Original Rmx) Dm->Dm
Matt Darey & Marcella Woods - U Shine On (Original Mix) Gm->Gm
Matt Darey - Moody (Original Mix) Bm->Bm
Matt Darey - Nocturnal Delight Am->Am
Matt Darey - Voice Of An Angel (Michael Woods vs Matt Darey Rmx) A#m->A#m
Matt Darey - Voice Of An Angel (Vocal Dub) A#m->A#m
Matti Laamanen - Live (Dusk To Dawn Mix) Fm->Fm
Matti Laamanen - Live (Original Mix) Fm->Fm
Matti Laamanen - Obsession (Original Mix) C#m->C#m
Mike Shiver & Elevation - Hurricane (Elevation Mix) Fm->Fm
Mike Shiver & Elevation - Hurricane (Mike Shiver Mix) G#m->G#m
Mind One - Only Memories (Insrumental Mix) G#m->G#m
Mind One - Only Memories (Vocal Mix) G#m->G#m
Minimalistix - Magic Fly (UltraBeat Remix) Am->Am
Mirco de Govia - Voller Sterne (Mirco De Govia Mix) Am->Am
Mirco de Govia - Voller Sterne (Super 8 Mix) Cm->Cm
Misja Helsloot Vs Roland K Feat Nicole - A Different World (Lemon 8 Mix) Fm->Fm
Misja Helsloot Vs Roland K Feat Nicole - A Different World (Original Vocal Mix) Fm->Fm
Motorcycle - As The Rush Comes (Gabriel & Dresden's Sweeping Strings Mix) Bm->Bm
Motorcycle - As The Rush Comes (Markus Schulz Coldharbour Remix) Bm->Bm
Mylo - Drop The Pressure (Erol Alkans Extended Mix) Dm->Dm
Mylo - Drop The Pressure (Original Mix) Dm->Dm
N-Trance - Set U Free (A1) D#m->D#m
N-Trance - Set U Free (A2) A#m->A#m
N-Trance - Set U Free (B1) G#m->G#m
Oceanlab - Satellite (Markus Schulz Coldharbour Rmx) Am->Am
Oceanlab - Satellite (Original Above & Beyond Mix) Am->Am
Pacific 2 Feat Anita Kelsey - Have 2B With U (Matthew Dekay Dub) G#m->G#m
Pacific 2 Feat Anita Kelsey - Have 2B With U (Matthew Dekay Original) G#m->G#m
Paul Oakenfold Feat Tiff Lacey - Hypnotised (Deepsky's Radio Reaktor Rmx) Bm->Bm
"Paul Oakenfold Feat Tiff Lacey - Hypnotised (Kowalski 12"" Rmx)" C#m->C#m
Paul Van Dyk - Another Way (PVD Club Mix) Am->Am
Paul Van Dyk - Avenue (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Paul Van Dyk - Crush (Extended Mix) Am->Am
Paul Van Dyk - Crush (PVD Remix) Am->Am
Paul Van Dyk - Crush (Vandit Club Mix ) Am->Am
Paul Van Dyk - For An Angel (PVD e-werk Club Mix) Dm->Dm
Paul Van Dyk - Nothing But You (PVD Club Mix) Em->Em
Planet Perfecto - Bullet In The Gun 2000 (Original Club Mix) A#m->A#m
Planet Perfecto - Bullet In The Gun 2000 (Solar Stone Rmx) A#m->A#m
Plastic Boy - Live Another Life (Original and Vocal Mixes) D#m->D#m
Plummet - Cherish The Day (Antillas Extended Rmx) Cm->Cm
Poloroid - So Damn Beatiful (Dogzilla Mix) Em->Em
PPK - Resurection (Space Club) Dm->Dm
PPK - Resurection (Wellenrausch Remix) Dm->Dm
Primer - Everlast (Fire & Ice Mix) Am->Am
Primer - Everlast (Original Mix) F#m->F#m
Public Domain - Operation Blade (Original Mix) G#m->G#m
Quadraphonic - I Can Feel Your Love (GarethEmery's GTR Mix) Em->Em
Quadraphonic - I Can Feel Your Love (Shane 54 Monster Mix) G#m->G#m
Randy Katana - In-Silence (Scratch Bandicoot Rmx) D#m->D#m
Randy Katana - In-Silence (Txitxarro Rmx) D#m->D#m
Rank 1 - Airwave (Original Mix) Dm->Dm
Rank 1 - Airwave (Rank 1 Vs Dutch Force Rmx) Dm->Dm
Rapid Eye - Santa Cruz (MK-S Rmx) G#m->G#m
Rapid Eye - Santa Cruz (Rapid Eye Rmx) G#m->G#m
Realm F VS Rankey - Nairobi (Alex M.O.R.P.H Mix) Am->Am
Red Karma Feat Tom Wollf - Dying to Survive (Mr Sam vs Ted Baker Rmx) C#m->C#m
Red Karma Feat Tom Wollf - From One To Another (Mr Sam vs Ted Baker Rmx) Gm->Gm
Revelation - Just Be Dub To Me (Divine Inspiration Rmx) Fm->Fm
Rico Soarez - Timeless (Original Mix) C#m->C#m
Rico Soarez - TV Dinner (Original Mix) F#m->F#m
Rio Addicts - Crossroads (Original Mix) Gm->Gm
Rio Addicts - Crossroads (Probspot Rmx) Gm->Gm
Robert Nickson - Ocean Drive (Original Mix) Fm->Fm
Robert Nickson - Spiral (Alucard's Star Ocean Mix) Am->Am
Robert Nickson - Spiral (MK-S Rmx) Am->Am
Robert Nickson - Spiral (Original Mix) Am->Am
Robert Nickson - Twisted By Design (Original Mix) D#m->D#m
Ron Van Den Beuken - Timeless (Ron Van Den Beuken Rmx) G#m->G#m
Ron Van Den Beuken - Timeless (Ron Van Den Beuken Vocal Mix) G#m->G#m
Ronski Speed - E.O.S (MK-S Remix) Fm->Fm
Ronski Speed - E.O.S (Original Mix) Am->Am
Ronski Speed - E.O.S (Perry O'Neil Remix) Am->Am
Ronski Speed - E.O.S (Re:Locate Remix) Fm->Fm
Salt Lake - Sunset Highway (Original Mix) Gm->Gm
Sander Van Doorn - Dark Roast (Original Mix) Em->Em
Sandler - Theme Song (Original Mix) Em->Em
Sarah McLachlan - Fallen (Gabriel & Dresden Anti-Gravity Mix) Gm->Gm
Sash - Encore Une Fois (Future Breeze Rmx) Bm->Bm
Scott Bond & Solarstone - The Red Line Highway (Original Mix) Dm->Dm
Seragaki - Ryuku Underground (Junkie XL Rmx) Am->Am
Shapeshifter's - Lola's Theme (Exteneded Vocal Mix) Cm->Cm
Shapeshifter's - Lola's Theme (Main Mix) Cm->Cm
Signum - First Strike (Original Mix) G#m->G#m
Signum - First Strike (Signum 2004 Remake) G#m->G#m
Signum - The Timelord (Original Mix) D#m->D#m
Signum - The Timelord (Signum's Spectral Balance Mix) Gm->Gm
Signum Feat. Scott Mac - Coming On Strong (Original Mix) G#m->G#m
Solex - Close To The Edge (Club Vocal) F#m->F#m
Solex - Close To The Edge (Dogzilla Remix) G#m->G#m
Solex - Close To The Edge (Original Club) F#m->F#m
Solid Globe - Sahara (Original Mix) Dm->Dm
Sonar Methods - Echoing Waves (Original Mix) Em->Em
Sonar Methods - Echoing Waves (Robert Nickson Remix) Cm->Cm
Southside Spinners - Luvstruck (DJ Jean Rmx) Dm->Dm
St John vs Locust - Mind Circles (Perry O'Neil Rmx) G#m->G#m
State One - Forever And A Day (Club Mix) Cm->Cm
Stonebridge feat Therese - Put 'Em High A#m->A#m
Storm - Storm (Original Club Mix) Cm->Cm
Sun Decade - Follow You (Mike Shiver's Catching Sun Mix) G#m->G#m
Sun Decade - Follow You (Original Vocal Mix) G#m->G#m
Sundawner - Krystal Dreams (Cosmicman Rmx) Fm->Fm
Sundawner - Krystal Dreams (Markus L Mix) Fm->Fm
Super 8 - Alba (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
System F - Cry (Original Mix) G#m->G#m
System F - Cry (Rank 1 Rmx) D#m->D#m
System of Life - Luv Is Cool (Kenny Hayes Rmx) Fm->Fm
Talla 2XLC Feat. Ely - The Air That I Breathe (Alex M.O.R.P.H Mix) Am->Am
Terry Bones vs Fred Baker Pres. Water Planet - Introspection (John Askew Rmx) G#m->G#m
Terry Bones vs Fred Baker Pres. Water Planet - Introspection (Mr. Sam's Tears in Heaven Interpretation) Fm->Fm
Terry Bones vs Fred Baker Pres. Water Planet - Introspection (Original Mix) F#m->F#m
Thrillseekers - Synaesthesia (Mesh Rmx) Gm->Gm
Thrillseekers - Synaesthesia (Pulser Mix) Gm->Gm
Tiesto & Junkie XL - Obsession (Filterheadz Rmx) A#m->A#m
Tiesto - Flight 643 (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Tiesto - Suburban Train (Original Mix) Em->Em
Tiesto - Traffic (Max Walder Rmx) Gm->Gm
Tiesto - Traffic (Montana Re-Edit) A#m->A#m
Tiesto Feat BT - Love Comes Again (Original Mix) Cm->Cm
Tiesto Feat BT - Love Comes Agian (Mark Norman Rmx) Cm->Cm
Tiesto feat Kirtsy Hawkshaw - Urban Train (Cosmic Gate Remix) Em->Em
Tiesto Feat. Kirsty Hawkshaw - Just Be (514 Mix) Am->Am
Tiesto Feat. Kirsty Hawkshaw - Just Be (Antillas Mix) Am->Am
Tilt - The World Doesn't Know (Original Mix) Gm->Gm
Tomcraft - Lonliness (Club Mix) C#m->C#m
Underworld - Born Slippy (Original Mix) D#m->D#m
Underworld - Born Slippy (Paul Oakenfold 2003 Rmx) Gm->Gm
Van Eyden Feat. Suzanne Webb - The 1 (Original Mix) Am->Am
Van Eyden Feat. Suzanne Webb - The 1 (Sonicvibe Rmx) Bm->Bm
Venom Pres. Kasuma - Dreaming (Original Mix) Bm->Bm
Veracocha - Carte Blanche (Original Mix) A#m->A#m
Warp Brothers - Phatt Bass (Warp Brother's Phatt Mix) G#m->G#m
Warrior - Warrior (Club Mix) Am->Am
Warrior Feat Imogen Bailey - If U Want Me (Antillas Rmx) F#m->F#m
Warrior Feat Imogen Bailey - If U Want Me (Vocal Mix) F#m->F#m
Whirlpool & Octagen - Alaska (Filo & Peri Mix) Fm->Fm
Whirlpool & Octagen - Alaska (Octagen Mix) Cm->Cm
Y-Traxx Feat. Neve - Mystery Land (Fred Baker vs Mr.Sam's Mystery Dub) Am->Am
Y-Traxx Feat. Neve - Mystery Land (Fred Baker vs Mr.Sam's Vocal Mix) Am->Am
Yomanda - You're Free (Synth Mix) Fm->Fm
Young Parisians - Jump The Next Train (Kyua Vs Albert Rmx) Cm->Cm
Young Parisians - Jump The Next Train (Probspot Rmx) Fm->Fm
Young Parisians - Jump The Next Train (Solarstone Rmx) Cm->Cm

ps ive been playing around with the Rapid evolution 2 program - and using the built in piano it is quite difficult to distinguish which key is correct for some tunes - like Motorcycle - as the rush comes - it could be either Bm or G#m as far as i can tell!! how can you distinguish between these fine differences? They both seem to fit well into the song to me?

Also when using the built in piano thing - which shift and octave settings are you meant to use?? does it vary for every track?

Cheers JP

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 The version that I play is definately a Bm. And Mixmeister as far as I know does still get it wrong too often to be considered a good tool. The idea is great but does not some work in my opinion. Cheers Nem

so what version is it that you are using ? .. it will be interesting to try out.

g# and b are in the same scale AFAIK thats why they sound harmonically compatible, because they are

What you need to do is play the track, and then play each key....and see which one 'disappears' more. If you still can't do it, think about the overall mood of the track, and which key matches it best.

Dear all,

Johnny2003,Here are some keys. I've already spoke on a previous message about some of these. Please take note this time!!!
Man, you've got to stop using these programmes! They are just useless. Motorcycle - as the rush comes? How it can give G#m is amazing! If you play a G#m chord against a Bm chord there will be a disharmony. There are only 3 chords in it, Bm, G and E, and the E is only occassionally. The Bm is dominant throughout. Thats it! Nothing else to do with these tune please!!! If you played notes from Bm scale against the melody it fits well, play notes from G#m scale, and it sounds horrendous! LEARN SOME BASIC MUSIC!! It is essential!!!
It takes a little time to key things yourself, but once you get the hang of it, you can key a tune in seconds and almost learn to recognise some keys by ear. Like Lolo- Why, sounds very ike Sasha - Expander, therefore I guessed Gm before I even keyed it. Get a keyboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Learn some simple chords, thats all you need, and use the Camelot system for compatible chords etc. It is better to do it yourself than rely on someone, or even worse a machine!!!!

Sebjr, nice advice, but that may take someone with a well trained ear to establish which one disappears more. Thinking about the overall mood? How the hell does a beginner get the key from doing that? You may think a tune is F#m or C#m, but because they are compatible, it will be very difficult to separate them by ear. Too difficult! Keep it simple, and scientific almost, and match notes/chords on the keyboard to what is playing on the record. You MUST know a little music theory, otherwise its pointless too, unless the tune is very simple. Use Camelot, it TELLs you what chords go together to make up a certain scale.

Endre - I Kill For You , both mixes are Dm

Corderoy - Deeper , one of these mixes isn't Em, can't remember which

Faithless - Insomnia , Bm definitely, Gm feinitely NOT

Liquid Child - Diving Faces is C major, it has a C bass note throughout, although Am is almost the same thing

Lolo - Because is Ebm, don't know where Am came from?

N-Trance - Set You free, don't know what mixes these are, but the original version from ears ago was G# major

Paul Oakenfold - Hypnotised, I've discussed this before. NOT Bm for Deepsky. Bm is the first chord, followed by a C major chord, therefore it fits into the Em scale. The Kowalski mix is a semi-tone up, and the chords are C minor to C#, therefore fits into Fm scale. C# minor is so far off the mark its a joke!
It is open to debate as there are no other chords to go with. Taking the first chord and calling it the key is just wrong. Sometimes it is ok, but this time it isn't! Southern Sun does the same pattern. Bm follwed by C, in the verse. Then in the chorus we get the G major to B minor to E minor chord changes, and is therefore obviously G major.

Sarah Mclachlan - Fallen is Dm NOT Gm

Tiesto - Traffic is Bbm BOTH MIXES

Here are some others:

Andain - Beautiful Things (G+D) Em
Ozgur Can - Over Nothing At all Cm
Ozgur can - Reclaim Am
Solarstone - release Cm
Young Parisians - u write the rules Cm
dave gahan - Dirty sticky floors (junkie xl) C#m
3 drives - Carrera 2 (G+D) Fm
Perry O'Neil - Kubik C#m
- Beaking away Cm

thanks kevboy for the input!!!

i used to play the piano so i do have some muscial background. Its just my ears are pretty crap at detecting which key fits best!!

jp

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Originally posted by Kev Boy Dear all, Johnny2003,Here are some keys. I've already spoke on a previous message about some of these. Please take note this time!!! Man, you've got to stop using these programmes! They are just useless. Motorcycle - as the rush comes? How it can give G#m is amazing! If you play a G#m chord against a Bm chord there will be a disharmony. There are only 3 chords in it, Bm, G and E, and the E is only occassionally. The Bm is dominant throughout. Thats it! Nothing else to do with these tune please!!! If you played notes from Bm scale against the melody it fits well, play notes from G#m scale, and it sounds horrendous! LEARN SOME BASIC MUSIC!! It is essential!!! It takes a little time to key things yourself, but once you get the hang of it, you can key a tune in seconds and almost learn to recognise some keys by ear. Like Lolo- Why, sounds very ike Sasha - Expander, therefore I guessed Gm before I even keyed it. Get a keyboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Learn some simple chords, thats all you need, and use the Camelot system for compatible chords etc. It is better to do it yourself than rely on someone, or even worse a machine!!!!

i was looking at the camelot system... and i didnt realize this before until i saw it just now ......... THERE ISNT ANY G#m. G#m means G sharp minor. but i dont see it .

or am i looking at the system wrongly?

G # is the same key as A flat.

If you look at a keyboard you'll understand

.

im going through my tunes now to double check whether mixmeister got them right or not.

i have found a few mistakes (i think) and i just wanna double check here if im going the right way:

i have got Mike shiver & elevatoion - hurricane (mike shiver mix) as G# not G#m

Primer - Everlast(Fire & Ice mix) as F, not an Am
Primer - Everlast(original) as F, not F#m

am i going in the right direction here?

thanks JP

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