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Originally posted by DigiNut Justification? Example? Also, "losing faith" doesn't exactly make you an agnostic. It just makes you more secular than the average Christian. To be agnostic you must actively look at the evidence and say, there's no way to tell if there is any God, or any afterlife, or any other supernatural elements, so I'm not going to assume that there is.

News flash, If you don't have faith in God you aren't a Christian. Christian means Christ like,so how can you be Christ like if you don't even believe He's real?

Agnostic means you don't believe in anything. Anyway,this person is agnostic,what makes you think you know more about being agnostic than him/her? Also,you aren't even a Christian, what makes you think you know so much? Because you don't,it's obvious when I read your posts.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 News flash, If you don't have faith in God you aren't a Christian. Christian means Christ like,so how can you be Christ like if you don't even believe He's real? Agnostic means you don't believe in anything. Anyway,this person is agnostic,what makes you think you know more about being agnostic than him/her? Also,you aren't even a Christian, what makes you think you know so much? Because you don't,it's obvious when I read your posts.

Dear fucking lord, do you ALWAYS have to post your 2 cents of ignorance EVERYWHERE!!??

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ag�nos�tic (P) n. 1. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God. 2. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

That's a DICTIONARY DEFINITION and corresponds to EXACTLY WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED. If someone "doesn't believe in anything" then they're a nihilist, not an agnostic. For christ's sake, people on this very forum have TOLD YOU THAT at LEAST 10 times and you STILL DON'T GET IT!

And I'm sorry if I don't really give a fuck what YOU think I know, because everything you post is so distorted and downright ignorant that I'd be embarrassed if you actually agreed with me on something!

Please, STOP POSTING. I can't even use ignore because your posts piss everybody off so much that they end up being quoted. Read a god damn science textbook. Look something up in the dictionary. Do SOME KIND OF RESEARCH instead of posting this CRAP!

Man... I need to learn how to be like these people and not feel embarrassed no matter how much of a complete ass of myself I make. How do they do it!? How do they keep making themselves look more and more ignorant and still come back for more no matter how many times they get knocked down!?

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Originally posted by DigiNut [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=#99CCEE]Dear fucking lord, do you ALWAYS have to post your 2 cents of ignorance EVERYWHERE!!??

It's not ignorance, just because It doesn't match up with your opinion doesn't make it ignorance.

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That's a DICTIONARY DEFINITION and corresponds to EXACTLY WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED. If someone "doesn't believe in anything" then they're a nihilist, not an agnostic. For christ's sake, people on this very forum have TOLD YOU THAT at LEAST 10 times and you STILL DON'T GET IT!

I have several agnostic friends, they don't believe in jack squat, and I'd believe them over you any day.

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And I'm sorry if I don't really give a fuck what YOU think I know, because everything you post is so distorted and downright ignorant that I'd be embarrassed if you actually agreed with me on something!

You're not sorry,so don't apologize. It's not distorted or ignorant,you are just mondo intolerant. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't make my opinion incorrect, or ignorant. Get the picture?

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Please, STOP POSTING. I can't even use ignore because your posts piss everybody off so much that they end up being quoted. Read a god damn science textbook. Look something up in the dictionary. Do SOME KIND OF RESEARCH instead of posting this CRAP!

I have the freedom to post as much,or as little as I please. But it's your fault if you don't ignore my posts. If you don't like them,then just don't reply. It's THAT simple, really. The only person that's really irritated by me,is you. So you really need to quit generalizing. I've done my research.

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Man... I need to learn how to be like these people and not feel embarrassed no matter how much of a complete ass of myself I make. How do they do it!? How do they keep making themselves look more and more ignorant and still come back for more no matter how many times they get knocked down!?

The only person knocking anyone down would be you. I don't go around insulting others, I stick to the debate.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 I have several agnostic friends, they don't believe in jack squat, and I'd believe them over you any day.

you believe your friends over the dictionary on the definition of a word.

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Originally posted by DigiNut That's a DICTIONARY DEFINITION and corresponds to EXACTLY WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED. If someone "doesn't believe in anything" then they're a nihilist, not an agnostic. For christ's sake, people on this very forum have TOLD YOU THAT at LEAST 10 times and you STILL DON'T GET IT!

and by definition i am agnostic. Who the fuck are you to know what i believe in or where my ideals lie?

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Aventurade Now this was just a ridiculous statement. Judgemental and full of generalization. If you claim you're a political forum regular, you should know to stray away from such comments or you shall be quoted and proved to be ignorant for making such statements.

i'm just delineating his hypocrasy by being sardonic, as i said in another thread "ph33r my generalization skillz"; i'm trying to beat them at their own game

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Albertor Oh yeah one more thing; i find it funny that you consider religion as something that brainwashes the minds when some of you come here with a philosopher's ideals and state them as if they are true. Hypocritical isnt it. I guess the bible brainwashes as much as your philosopher's novels brainwash you.

so somehow we have been brainwashed by those evil communist scientists who have been conspiring against Christianity for years

(^^ aventurade: sarcasm, exageration, generalisation; this thread is a pointless debate and posts like this is the only way to get through to them)

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Albetor and by definition i am agnostic. Who the fuck are you to know what i believe in or where my ideals lie? . i find it funny that you consider religion as something that brainwashes the minds when some of you come here with a philosopher's ideals and state them as if they are true. Hypocritical isnt it. I guess the bible brainwashes as much as your philosopher's novels brainwash you.

whats this, a presupposition?? i suggest you look up the word hypocrite

edit: working on quoting skillz

work on your quoting skills, then come back. its a fucking mess.

EDIT: and you are right, this is a pointless thread.

Actually, this debate was going quite well, with everyone giving examples and having a good discussion. I think in this last page it went to shit. Sad, really.

lol..well it would be an endless debate. some nice ideas were presented, others were just retarded. anyways, thats all i have to say about it. later.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Actually, this debate was going quite well, with everyone giving examples and having a good discussion. I think in this last page it went to shit. Sad, really.

i think diginut and i became a bit frustrated

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Originally posted by tathi i think diginut and i became a bit frustrated

can't say i blame him.

Cripes man, look at all this stuff I miss on weekends!!!

I must concur with the "going to shit" statements. I'll leave it to the ever-so-wise mods to decide the direction and future of this thread, however.

But I tell ya, I don't know exactly how this bastard got hijacked, or perhaps it was simply destined to go to crap in the first place.

Damn these religious threads are fun!

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 News flash, If you don't have faith in God you aren't a Christian.

So people who practice Islam, Hinduism, Judaism and so on don't have faith in god? My god, you truly are an idiot.

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Agnostic means you don't believe in anything.

ARRRRGGGHHHHH.

Dictionary.com definition of agnostic:

1. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
2. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

Dictionary.com definition of nihilist:

1. An extreme form of skepticism that denies all existence.
2. A doctrine holding that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated.

There, you're wrong. End of discussion.

NOW KINDLY PISS OFF, AND STOP MAKING AN IDIOT OF YOURSELF!

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Originally posted by arctic So people who practice Islam, Hinduism, Judaism and so on don't have faith in god? My god, you truly are an idiot.

Um, i hate to say this, but that isn't what she said.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 News flash, If you don't have faith in God you aren't a Christian.

It isn't "nonchristians don't have faith in god." It's "if you don't have faith in god then you are a nonchristian." Big difference.

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Originally posted by nic01445 It isn't "nonchristians don't have faith in god." It's "if you don't have faith in god then you are a nonchristian." Big difference.

I don't see a difference myself, but read into it what you will.

Actually, I'm not entirely sure if you're joking or if you're being serious here. Stop confusing me.

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Originally posted by arctic I don't see a difference myself, but read into it what you will. Actually, I'm not entirely sure if you're joking or if you're being serious here. Stop confusing me.

lol i am serious. lemme try to explain.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 News flash, If you don't have faith in God you aren't a Christian.

She only states that if you have no faith in god, then you are not a christian. This is true. People who do not put faith in god are not christian. They are also not muslim, or jewish, etc. Part of being christian is having faith in god. if you don't have it, then you aren't christian. of course, you could argue about casual christians yadda yadda but that isnt the point right now.

What you interprated was "only christians have faith in god," which is not what she said.

she's assuming God is only the christian God

eg. News flash, If you don't have faith in Allah you aren't a Muslim.

Bah, it's all subjective.

The way she phrased it, it could easily be interpreted either way.

yawn what a shitty movie, Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter is better.

Oh well those old skool Jews sure know how to treat a person, just like Vanunu

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Originally posted by rizen yawn what a shitty movie, Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter is better. Oh well those old skool Jews sure know how to treat a person, just like Vanunu

Jebus was a nuclear technician?

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Originally posted by tathi Jebus was a nuclear technician?

According to Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter, no he wasnt. But he was treated pretty shitty.

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Originally posted by nic01445 It isn't "nonchristians don't have faith in god." It's "if you don't have faith in god then you are a nonchristian." Big difference.

isnt that the same thing that you just repeated differently?

this is how i think christians perceive non christians: "if you don't beleive that jebus died on the cross for your sins and dont believe in god, you are not christian"

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Originally posted by tathi Jebus was a nuclear technician?

it would be hilarious if someone named their kid "Jebus" I know a guy named "Jesus" but its pronouned "heysus"

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Originally posted by Dmatrox it would be hilarious if someone named their kid "Jebus" I know a guy named "Jesus" but its pronouned "heysus"

uh, maybe because in the spanish language the letter j has a stress in it, thus pronouncing the name 'hey-sus'

in the spanish language, jesus is called 'hey-sus' as well you know. Just like they name alot of girls maria, but thats the spanish name for saying mary.

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Originally posted by rizen yawn what a shitty movie, Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter is better. Oh well those old skool Jews sure know how to treat a person, just like Vanunu

idiot

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