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Posted by integrity1 on Sep-12-2001 01:38:

taub the sad reality is most people are blaming arabs because 8 times out of 10 it is them who commit these terroist acts. but youre right about the violence. in nyc there have been some reports of people attacking any people of arab descent. now this isnt going to make the trade centers come back so if you want to do something patriotic give blood or voulnteer somehow. i did and it makes you feel a lot better


Posted by Taub on Sep-12-2001 01:39:

what happened in the Oklahoma city? ?????
FIrst everyone said its the same group that tried to bomb the World Trade Center in 1993....but it wasnt.....they are just speculating....they arent sure who the hell did it...but they blame it on bin landen


The people who hijacked the planc had only KNIFES and BOXCUTTERS....who would have such traing to take over a Plane by just using KNIVES ane BOXCUTTERS>? possibly some trained by the U.S


Posted by ZinG on Sep-12-2001 01:42:

Question

I dont get it , i mean here we are listenin to news where hundreds of people died and all u can think of is blaming and fighting?
Didnt it shut u up yet?
let them find who did it then u can fuck em as much as u want.
Cant u respect the dead with some silence and sorrow for a short while?
no offense but all u guys doing is fighting and thats what they wanted from that attack anyway!


Posted by ta_wilson on Sep-12-2001 01:43:

i do not support the bombing af afghanistan, though i do understand those who do. i dont think bombing them would solve much, accept making the situation worse. this needs some rationally thought out desicion....

on a after thought...this may have been pointed out.
it was pointed out by one NYC police/fire officer that the date is 9/11---911. coincidence?


Posted by lMIlk on Sep-12-2001 01:44:

yah last time Osama tried this, he failed. I also saw on the news that this couldn't be him because it was too perfectly done or something. This attack was 100000 times worse then oklahoma bombing IMO. Oklahoma was one person and the deaths were in the hundreds in think.


Posted by The White Rabbi on Sep-12-2001 01:44:

taub, i know you feel strongly about this, everyone, just try and understand that we shouldnt point fingers at any one just yet, let us just think of how many familes in america are feeling right now. an arguement in here is not going to help anything, so lets just leave it at that.

latest ive heard is 200 firemen and 200 police have lost their lives


Posted by integrity1 on Sep-12-2001 01:44:

it doesnt take a well trained solider to use a knife. i dont think the hundreds of serial killers who commit crimes each year took a night school course. bin laden brought it on himself when someone profess such a profound hatred for a nation who else do you think did it? the amish?


Posted by tranceDJ on Sep-12-2001 01:44:

People over the past years have been thinking of all Arabs as terrorists and this is going to make it even worse. Then when you see the people in that village on TV celebrating the attack, it somehow ignites a hatred for those kind of people in you for a minute. You then have to remind yourself thats prejudice and not all Arabs are terrorists, many of them are just like yourself.

People need someone to blame and many people are now blaming Arabs and some are even attacking people of Arab descent. This is wrong but people are very angry and this is how they are venting their anger.

IMO it was most likely Bin Laden and his groups but I'm still open to the fact that it very well could have been another group. I wouldn't blame anybody at the moment but I do have my suspicions as do most.


Posted by Taub on Sep-12-2001 01:45:

i gave blood already.....ABT why you just taking one sided view? go start a new thread about them rejoicing about the bombing? why would anyone want that? its stupid to bomb Afgan and who ever crashed the planes was stupid to do that too....its the wrong step
the US and it would loose any allies in the middle east if it takes responsibility for these bombings....imagine the only allies the US having the middle east being Israil and Kuwait?....there are going to be some major problems...oil? no more of that


Posted by twilochik on Sep-12-2001 01:46:

quote:
Originally posted by integrity1
it doesnt take a well trained solider to use a knife. i dont think the hundreds of serial killers who commit crimes each year took a night school course. bin laden brought it on himself when someone profess such a profound hatred for a nation who else do you think did it? the amish?


i totally think it was the amish...so they can show us how all our technology...planes and big sky scraper are evil. hehehehehe

DISCLAIMER...I'M JUST JOKING!!! I need to releive some tension after today.


Posted by lMIlk on Sep-12-2001 01:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Taub
why do you all think its bin laden???? it could have been a white sepratist group....like the smae people who blew up the Oklahoma city FBI buliding


only one person was responsible for ohb


Posted by tranceDJ on Sep-12-2001 01:48:

quote:
Originally posted by raverchikadee
ya i saw that shit on the news .. the people in palestein were jumping up and down and celebrating our loss. Even the children were celebrating.. they have no idea what they are celebrating. They have no idea that thousands of people died today. Men woman and children. They dont know that america is 100000x's better than the civilization they live in. And if they live to get older they will see how ignorant they were to be celebrating such an attack and realize how it has and will effect the world for yrs to come.


This is the dark side of me but I would like to see somebody walk through that village and blow away all those people celebrating. Even though they may not exactly know what they're celebrating, anyone who would celebrate what happened today deserves to die IMO.


Posted by PhaseFour on Sep-12-2001 01:50:

quote:
Originally posted by ABTsportsline
First off, the entire country of Afghanastan is not getting bombed

My opinion of Afghanastan - if you are going to harbor a KNOWN terrorist that is responsible for 90% of ALL terrorist acts for the last 10 years, and you refuse to give him up, then you are in my opinion DESERVING of a bombing, and at the same time you are putting your entire population at risk..... If my country harbored a known terrorist in the city that i live in, i would leave - duh that i would get bombed.


-ABT-


word up ABT... Afgan is simply asking for it. About the anti-arab thing...remmeebr back in the day when....that US "spy" plane crashed over china? well, nothing really happened to any chinese people during the time after the incident (even asian club went off without a hitch ), and i honestly doubt any thing will happen to the arab population at school. anyway, i strongly agree with taub and his buddy about the racial thing. never blame only the arab world for terrorists.

quote:
The people who hijacked the planc had only KNIFES and BOXCUTTERS....who would have such traing to take over a Plane by just using KNIVES ane BOXCUTTERS>? possibly some trained by the U.S


and to taub....turst me dude, if i had a BRICK, i can take over an aircraft. its called "biatch, i have a weapon and you dont".

this post is really really vague, and if enough people flame me...i guess ill come back heh


Posted by integrity1 on Sep-12-2001 01:51:

if afganistan is harbouring an international fugitive who may or may not have at least some information on these crimes and says hes not here when he has been spotted there recently then why shouldnt we use force? its obvious that these people will not reason peacefully and i hate to use this saying but desprate times call for deaprate measures


Posted by twilochik on Sep-12-2001 01:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Taub
i gave blood already.....ABT why you just taking one sided view? go start a new thread about them rejoicing about the bombing? why would anyone want that? its stupid to bomb Afgan and who ever crashed the planes was stupid to do that too....its the wrong step
the US and it would loose any allies in the middle east if it takes responsibility for these bombings....imagine the only allies the US having the middle east being Israil and Kuwait?....there are going to be some major problems...oil? no more of that


doesnt kuwait hold a lot of major oil supplies....the reason we got involved in the persian gulf war bc Sadam had taken kuwait over...eventhough it was professed to be a humanitarian effort...to save the oppressed kuwaities. And america hasnt claimed responsibility for the bombings in afghan...id be suprised if we did it actually...the us will not bomb someone if they arent sure who did it...if we just bombed before finding out all the facts we would loose respect from a lot of countries...the same countries which now are on our side due to the travesty brought upon our country


Posted by harcourt on Sep-12-2001 01:52:

True the actual act of the attack was on US soil. But this terrorist attack was on the entire globe, not just americans.


Posted by integrity1 on Sep-12-2001 01:53:

twilochik its always where you least expect it (a little humor is in order today)


Posted by pattp on Sep-12-2001 01:53:

This is simply DISGUSTING..... In a civilized world how does this happen??

They are calling this a massive Failure of US intelligence. Fuck the media, I guess they forget we live in a free country and don't pass through check points where ever we go!!!

NOT HAPPY!!!!!!


Posted by raverchikadee on Sep-12-2001 01:54:

i do agree with ABT but at the same time i see the point that Taub is making. I mean i dont think that the american deffense is all that great. Look They hi-jacked a plane with frigging knives and boxcutters for gods sakes. What the hell kind of joke is that. And look what they did.. i would have taken a stab to save others lives. But that doesnt make sense .. there had to have been more weapons than that. I think at this point in time there shouldnt be any assumptions made as to who is responsible for this. It could quite possible be bin laden.. or what ever his name is. But at the same time it could be someone else as well. Its only hrs after the inncident and alot of investigation is needed to get the exact facts.


Posted by Taub on Sep-12-2001 01:55:

this whole thing is just going to make it worse for Israel....it is surrouned by muslim countries and by the US doing anyting will cause these muslim countries to come together....

Trancedj...why wouldnt they celebrate???
The US acts as such a superpower thinking they are the big shots, so they go into the middle east and try to control things but it wont work....they us put sancation on Iraq and countries taht help iraq and so the US became an enemy for these people....thats why they celebrated...they saws their enemy in pain

WHy couldnt it been the chinese or the russians? the US arent in good standing with them either...over the anit misile and the spy plane


Posted by ZinG on Sep-12-2001 01:59:

Angry

WTF??? did anyone even care to read my post????? holy shit guys ur flooding the forum with ur posts!


Posted by tranceDJ on Sep-12-2001 02:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Taub
this whole thing is just going to make it worse for Israel....it is surrouned by muslim countries and by the US doing anyting will cause these muslim countries to come together....

Trancedj...why wouldnt they celebrate???
The US acts as such a superpower thinking they are the big shots, so they go into the middle east and try to control things but it wont work....they us put sancation on Iraq and countries taht help iraq and so the US became an enemy for these people....thats why they celebrated...they saws their enemy in pain

WHy couldnt it been the chinese or the russians? the US arent in good standing with them either...over the anit misile and the spy plane


I see why they would celebrate but celebrating such a thing is extremely terrible. Even if I hated another country and something similar happened to it, it's still thousands of innocent lives being taken regardless...something that never should be celebrated.


Posted by integrity1 on Sep-12-2001 02:02:

the u.s. is looked at as a superpower thats why many times countries come to us for aid in certain situations. maybe our government needs to stop looking out for others and start watching our own back. and taub it could have been the chinese or the russians but let me put it this way say your car was stolen who do you look at first the kid who goes to harvard or the thug who you know has a prior crimminal record.
the sad truth is looks are deciveing in this world


Posted by lMIlk on Sep-12-2001 02:06:

good point integrity. I highly doubt it was the chinese. And, i also agree that the US needs to stop worrying about other countries.


Posted by PhaseFour on Sep-12-2001 02:07:

quote:
Originally posted by integrity1
the u.s. is looked at as a superpower thats why many times countries come to us for aid in certain situations. maybe our government needs to stop looking out for others and start watching our own back. and taub it could have been the chinese or the russians but let me put it this way say your car was stolen who do you look at first the kid who goes to harvard or the thug who you know has a prior crimminal record.
the sad truth is looks are deciveing in this world


sorry, but i dont really get that harvard comparison. newayz, it SHOULDnt be china or russia because of the fact that they lack intent. so what if they lost several fighter pilots (they probably suck anyway, craching into a big us plane), or are POed about a missile defense system. Plestine could have some intent, for israel uses american weapons (ie F-15s) against them, and we all know that osama bin laden isnt quite happy wit the usa. and someone posted something about the US watching their back....that person is 150% correct.,


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