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| Originally posted by LeopoldStotch i agree with the minor league system .. i think the nba should take over the cba and usbl, and have each team own some kind of minor league system .. it will definately help the rookies develop their game, and the injured get their groove back on .. the minor league system in baseball helps the injured a lot, especially pitchers getting their pitching arm back, and the batters getting their coordination back .. also, with the minor league system, this helps both the veterans and young rookies .. the veterans will stop bitchin' about losing their spots to the young guys, and rookies bitchin' that they can get into the draft whenever they want .. i know this sounds bad, and looks like i support high schoolers into the nba (actually i don't support the jump from high school to professional .. i am pro "education over professional" ) .. but there are kids who have really low SAT and ACT scores that wont cut for major universities, and also community colleges ...  .. so what's a kid to do for 2 years ?? have a lot of talent, and can't go to college ?? .. might as well try to go aspire for their dreams of pro ball .. |
Team basketball these days doesn't exist ...Larry brown i think is the only one who still coaches it,most coaches are so scared of being fired constantly and i have to admit most days it pains me to watch a game(besides the fact that i watch the magic).But anyways there are some good assistants who would be great teachers in these developmental leagues like a Eric Musselman and teach these guys to develop and get used to the speed of the game and have the leagues start from a month after the draft till about a month befotre the season starts.going to college won't stop most of these guys from being knuckleheads or bad guys.But there is one way to stop the high school kids from getting in..have the g.m.'s stop drafting them
in other nba news, outside this dumb talk jermaine o'neal created, philly beat miami in a very critical game for them .. wade scores 48, but that doesn't matter, because marc jackson comes off the bench with 25 .. that is an awesome big man combo .. dalembert starting, and marc jackson to back him up .. if the sixers did not have webber right now, jackson would be starting, and logging 30+ minutes a game .. but that's that with the trade and everything ..
webber had a "decent" game .. and note the word "decent" .. he can't be logging these 15-9-5 games .. he needs to score at least 22 to 25 points a game, average double digit rebounds, and keep up with his assists to help iverson .. igoudala is doing a terrific job as a rookie .. surprising his name doesn't pop up for rookie of the year honors.. but it's probably going to be either emeka okafor or ben gordon (go figure .. the two uconn stars)
I really don't think Ben Gordon deserves it,he has been very inconsistent..Okafur and Dwight Howard have been very solid all year
2 straight wins for Sixers lately, great performance by AI again! They have no chances for the 3rd spot 
but maybe the'll past the Pacers, who knows... 
AI for MVP anyone? People can say how Shaq turned around the Heat all they want, the Sixers wouldn't win 1/3 of their games without Iverson. Not to mention he's having his best year statistically, in his career.
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| Originally posted by Omegasox AI for MVP anyone? People can say how Shaq turned around the Heat all they want, the Sixers wouldn't win 1/3 of their games without Iverson. Not to mention he's having his best year statistically, in his career. |
I agree that AI should get some votes for the MVP but Nash and Shaq both have done it all year. Plus, they have counterparts in allowing them to excell.
I also think Andre Igoudala should be mentioned for the Rookie award. He's been a really big boost down the stretch defensively.
Shaq and AI for sure.
shaq makes every team better and he's hard to defend (i mean the team's he's on)
good choices for mvp ..
shaq, ai, nash, dirk nowitzki, and tim duncan of course .. no one is really talking about how dallas has improved from last year, after losing steve nash and don nelson ... playing some solid defense as of late, and really taking charge .. however, they could get ousted by the hot teams houston or denver .. both have been playing excellent ball right now ..
but one guy who really is taking charge, and getting up there in the ranks as one of the premiere point guards is gilbert areanas from washington .. he seems to make the game a lot easier for his teammates .. he even made larry hughes look good and have him average 20+ points per game .. .. larry f'n hughes ! .. hahhahaa .. but he's awesome .. i would take him over any other point guard currently .. he has a better shooting range than both nash or kidd
I think Iverson is a GREAT individual player, I think he plays hard every night, but I don't really feel that he makes his team better. He has had issues with most of his coaches in his history, has had players come and go (sometimes I feel that it is his fault). It is almost as though he is running the show. Sure he scores a lot but the guy puts up more shots than anyone else in the game.
I think MVP should be based solely on how you interact with your teamates and coach, the impact you have to other people around you, how winning your team is based on what you have contributed, and the difference when you are out of the lineup as opposed to when you are in.
This year I'd have to say that my top candidates are:
Shaq -
Obvious with his departure from LA, they suddenly are not in the playoffs, have a losing record, have fallen apart, and all their percentages are down. Goes to heat and takes a mediocre team and gives it the edge to be a possible championship team. I think probably should win it.
Nash - Sure the guy isn't the greatest scorer, or defender, or even 3 point shooter but that is not what this award is about, it is about how valuable you are to your team. Although Dallas has picked it up recently without him, he has been a catalyst with the Suns, again turning them into a team to run with at the end from a mediocre team loaded with talent. He departure with injuries and their losing should show how valuable the guy is.
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| Originally posted by BadBadNeil Shaq - Obvious with his departure from LA, they suddenly are not in the playoffs, have a losing record, have fallen apart, and all their percentages are down. Goes to heat and takes a mediocre team and gives it the edge to be a possible championship team. I think probably should win it. |
..... or probably brian grant .. (was traded to lakers on shaq deal ..)
yup...That is what I was saying. Without him they are just an average low level playoff team, with him they are a championship caliber team. That is one point that should make him the MVP.
Shaq does make basketball in Miami a lot easier right now because he always demands double teams! Look at Damon Jones' and Dwayne Wade.. Wade is a talent in his own right in that he can create his shot with the best of them. However, Shaq has enabled him to come off pick and rolls and screens, then drive to the basket for a pull up jumper or a nice left handed layup.
But..
My vote goes to Steve Nash. He has turn Phoenix into the best team in the league! Miami doesn't have as great as a record. Plus, not only does Nash create opportunities for his team mates but he also is difficult on his own to stop. Someone above said he isn't the greatest shooter or three point shooter.. Wait. Last time I checked I think Nash was in the top ten in field goal shooting percentage. Granted, Shaq is number one in that category. But Nash does more then Shaq does. He passes the ball to his team mates on a fast break for easy quick points and just appears to be in charge out on the court.
I think a point guard winning the MVP would be a change from two guard or center.. But thats just me!
Just checked Nash's stats:
20th in FG% - 50%
6th in 3pt% - 43%
1 in assists - 11.5/gm
6th in free throws - 89%
5th assist/turnover ratio - 3.52
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| Originally posted by BadBadNeil Just checked Nash's stats: 20th in FG% - 50% 6th in 3pt% - 43% 1 in assists - 11.5/gm 6th in free throws - 89% 5th assist/turnover ratio - 3.52 |
I wasn't putting his stats to show how good he was individually, was just putting them because the person before me asked about them...I think Nash means more to his team because with him they win, without him they lose. The sixers well they are mediocre with iverson and horrible without him.
DAMN! Sixers lost a game against Nets and the battle for the playoff spots still remains till the end of the season...
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| Originally posted by Omegasox Iverson: 1st in Points 1st in Steals 1st in Minutes 1st in Free Throws 3rd in Assists |
.. and it's only april .. college footbal doesnt start until august ..
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| Originally posted by LeopoldStotch these are the obvious stats that he should be in mvp .. then again, i think the nba mvp voters committee pick the guy by scoring some kind of point system, where they give some amount of quality points for each stat ... oh no .. here comes that computer rankings computing and bcs talk all over again ... .. and it's only april .. college footbal doesnt start until august .. |
iverson for mvp
sixers in the championship finals 
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| Originally posted by Eddie N MIAMI please dont mention that 3 letter word or bullshit of a college sport again some of you guys are making it seem like its just AI on that team,the sixers have a solid team that hasnt lived up to its full potential, maybe AI hasnt made his team better? got a good big man in Dalembert,a star in Webber,Iguodala ,one of the best rookies,and a great shooter in Korver,and they still havnt clinchhed a playoff spot?A true MVP not only does well for himself, but makes the team around him better. see my custom user text for example edit:sixers clinched spot 2night |
Ufff Sixers in the Playoffs! 
But it's gonna be a great fight between Nets and Cavs for the final spot!
In the last 10 years the league MVP has never come from a team outside of the top 3. Looks like Nash or Shaq for MVP then!
It is official, The Heat will play against the Nets on Sunday durring the playoffs, The Heat will crush them since Shaq will return.
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